californiarollin1992

Hi,

For awhile now I have been unhappy with how far apart my eyes look. They appear completely fine up close (especially when I smile, which extends their length), but I feel that from a distance (>1 foot away), they look as if they're "lost" on my face. I realize that many East Asians have wide-set eyes, but mine look particularly distant because they are short and not straight but round at the bottom, which reveals too much sclera.

I have gone for consultations in Korea before and was advised that I did not need epicanthoplasty or lateral canthoplasty, as my eyes already curve down near the outer edge (part of my problem) and I do not really have epicanthal folds. The surgeons told me they could excise a tiny bit of skin, but it wouldn't make my eyes much bigger. However, I do not really care about size; I have tried extending my inner corners a little in the mirror and feel that the extra sharpness and length go a long way in making my eyes look normal.

Of course, I can't 100% picture how the final outcome would look like. I am also worried that the procedure may age me. Plus, don't our inner corners show more with age anyway? Would it be too much in ten years' time? What do you guys think?


(My eyelids were a bit uneven that day)

 

I had this done in April and fat was taken from both my outer thighs through two incisions in the pelvic region. I believe the nurse said she took 30-50 cc (I only had one session with PRP but have retained the fat after five months despite my active forehead muscles).

 

Yes to both! My tip was really swollen immediately after cast removal and noticeably bigger than my bridge, but it slowly decreased in size so that after the third week it had become a lot more aligned with my bridge. I think it is still a tad bit bulbous but not noticeably so...definitely a huge improvement from my initial results and likely to only get better with time! I can send you pics on Kakao if you're interested (I've seen you in some of the groups )

 

Hey Phoebe! Those are actually quotes I pulled from a Makemeheal thread when I was worried about my nose two weeks post-op. I myself am only currently at three months now, and my nose definitely more closely resembles what I had wanted!

 

This!! I obsessed over my nose the first two weeks post-op because the shape was "off," mainly as a result of my bridge looking overly projected and my tip bulbous in comparison. During this time, I stumbled across a thread on Make Me Heal where a few users with thick skin shared their experiences with swelling. Made me feel loads better but I also thought ugh that's so much time spent waiting hahaha

OP's post:
My doctor said I have thick skin and I three and a half months post op. I am curious to see how much the tip of my nose is going to change with time, as I am not really liking how my tip looks at this point (bulbous and pointy). If anyone has some pictures of swelling with thick skin I would really appreciate it if you could share

Some responses:
Hey guys
I have thick skin and Im 22 months post op. The tip of my nose was bulbous up until 18 months. If you see my tip now and what it was at 10 months....two different noses....it lookedlike a tub at 10 months an dnow it looks more triangular....although upturned (whcih i want fixed)
hope that helps!!!

People if you have or are going to have a rhinoplasty and you have thick skin PLEASE read. PLEASE read it all before you jump to conclusions! I had a rhinoplasty in July of 2010 at the age of 19. I did my research and found a good plastic surgeon (Dr. David Kim from Beverly Hills) I have thick skin. I initially had a huge tip and overall a big nose and wanted to reduce the size, perfect the shape, and achieve a "defined" look. When I came out of that surgery room it looked like he had butchered me. I swear my nose looked like Elmer Fudd! And I was having difficulty breathing afterwards. For TWO freaking years! I cried ALOT. My parents had to call 911 multiple times because I seriously "lost it" everyday because I was convinced he made it worse.... LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING. It TRANSFORMED into something wonderful!! He got about 90 % to the nose I wanted. I love it now!! And my breathing improved. IF YOU HAVE THICK SKIN YOU MUST BE EXCEEDINGLY PATIENT!!! I cannot stress that enough. Do not let anyone tell you that you will see results in only 3-4 months! That's ONLY for thin-skinned patients. Thick skinned patients will get good results but they must wait 1 1/2-3 years, seriously. But in the end it is sooo worth it. I would post photos but I do not want to just for privacy purposes. The difference between the 1 month after surgery and the 2 years after surgery is mind boggling. I went from looking like a monster to looking like a model. Seriously, do not cry or worry until you gave it AT LEAST a year and a half if you have thick skin. I am posting this because I really wish someone else would have posted something like this when I was going through my healing process! Take it easy on yourself and give it time, alot of time!!

Yep, you are so right!! Wait 18 months before you have another surgery. If after that time it still looks bad, then make a change.

I see a good amount of swelling still. I know it doesn't seem like it, but I bet your nose will refine itself even further in the next year. This second year is when you will see most improvement.
I had my first (and only) surgery over 13 years ago. I, too, have thick skin and it took about 2 years before I just woke up one day and thought "wow, i think my nose is a lot skinnier". And after about 3 years, it no longer changed.

 

Are you sure that's right? I went there for a consultation and the base price was $3,500 with $500 for every add-on procedure (osteotomy, etc.)

 

I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think reviews with pictures necessarily indicates sponsorship. Some may discount reviews that do not include photographs--though it's completely understandable why someone wouldn't post them--because often times, members are also suspicious if all they see are words describing one's subjective experience but no evidence of a positive outcome (even if you offer to share through private message, I feel as if the more suspicious members who are not interested enough in the clinic to PM may just assume you are hiding something). I had a low budget so I offered every clinic I visited B/A photos, reviews, etc. in exchange for a discount. I ultimately decided on GNG, and even though I agreed to post reviews, ergo promotional material, there was no stipulation stating that I had to share my photos (I did censor the other parts of my face in the photos I did share though lol), so my posting them actually had nothing to do with the deal, just like the absence of photos in a post wouldn't make it more likely to be unsponsored. Also, sharing photos over and over again through PM is more inconvenient, and I feel like some will gloss over reviews/not go out of their way to request photos from a user if they are are lurkers, new here, or just beginning their search with a general survey (that was my experience, at least).

 

Reading your post, I was ready to see an updated photo of what I presume is the nose of the girl you were in contact with her the first two weeks of her revision rhino and have made numerous mentions of on this forum (not going to mention her by name since there is a photo attached). But judging by the redness and scarring around her alars, it looks as if this photo was taken shortly after her cast was removed (correct me if I'm wrong), which is when swelling is most present (her tip looks better than mine did, awks). And then I thought, the girl's been off this forum and Kakao since she first posted a few months back, so did you have permission to share this photo? I assume you did not previously have consent since you never attached a photo to your posts despite being so adamant that she was botched, and I also assume that if you guys were still in contact, you would have a more recent photo to share.

 

pspi did not post a positive review of her experience at GNG even though she got a discount and promised to write a review. I can totally understand your skepticism though. If you're interested, I can PM you evidence (alongside a contextualized version as well b/c I was discussing it with my friend from PF who had gone to consultations with me) of the requirements for patients who were able to get discounts by offering B/A photos and their reviews A few others on the group chat said they or others they know had those terms too

 

Ooh I see! Maybe this won't apply to you and maybe you won't need bridge work, but I remember reading this when I was Googling about bulbous nose reduction, if this is of any help. Pulled from Dr. Donald Yoo's site:

Q: I have a bulbous nose and want to reduce the size of my nose tip and maybe change its shape. I don’t wanna change anything of the nose bridge or the height of my nose tip though. What kind of operation would you recommend? Do I just need to cut some fat off the tip, or do I need to put anything inside my nose?

A: It will be possible to achieve significant refinement to the tip of your nose using grafts fashioned from cartilage inside your nose (septum) and possibly one of your ears. Simply “cutting fat” from the tip of the nose will not provide the structure and support your nose needs to show definition through your skin. Sometimes removing tip cartilage alone in an attempt to refine the nose will cause the nose to appear more bulbous, due to the lack of support.

 

Ooh, but I think the added material provides definition that makes it more defined and less bulbous looking if that makes sense? Like altering the angle of the tip helps make it look less flat and squishy hahaha. But I do wonder if there is anyone here who has managed to do this without implant or cartilage graft

 

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This remark is probably not very helpful, but imo, three years is so far in the future that by then, more negative reviews will have surfaced for the clinics you're currently considering and other up-and-coming clinics will be trending (they always come and go) so you'll likely be looking at a whole new list of places.

Anyway, I didn't do facial contouring, but for rhino, a big factor in pricing is the type you're looking to get (at GNG, silicone implant with tipplasty is 4.5 mil KRW, or roughly $4,200 USD, which isn't super high, but some members were looking to get like a fourth revision with rib, the complexity of which will obviously be reflected in the price). Aside from that, pricing is also influenced by your ability to bargain. I remember my friend and I were confused prior to our consultation in March because some members had reported that GNG was flexible in this regard, while others had said that they don't budge. Since then, I've been hearing contrasting experiences, too, so I think it comes down a lot to luck (who your sales consultant is, etc.), but also variables such as when you go and whether you're getting multiple procedures. Almost every person who has recently told me that she's been able to get a discount has been young (roughly 18-20 ish?), which makes me believe that the hospital is more likely to bend if you believably have a lower budget (this is just speculation though), whereas many others have shared that they had no luck at all and were quite turned off by the sales consultants' attitudes.

 

My main concerns with my nose were its lack of definition and its bulbous tip. I consulted with seven places and ended up at GNG Hospital in large part because of its before-and-after pictures. You'll see the name mentioned a lot in recent posts because word spreads like wildfire on this forum. Since we as foreigners get exposed to only a teeny percentage of SK's offerings, once someone recommends a place either on here or the group chats, others--including those who have not actually gotten their surgeries yet--will parrot that suggestion, for better or worse, so you'll have more and more people go to the clinic or hospital and report their experiences back here, creating a positive feedback loop haha (which is why it's good for everyone to do their own research! We all have our own personal tastes too). The clinic/hospital experiences a sudden surge in popularity that usually dies down after a time, when a new name takes its place. GNG is the current flavor of the month, a "safe" choice because people have yet to post substantiated negative reviews of it on this site, though if you dig for Korean reviews elsewhere, you can find some. I think GNG is worth a consult at least even if you don't ultimately go with them I can't speak much to the other clinics on your list because I didn't personally visit them. I do recall though that when I was doing research here, I came across a lot of both good and bad reviews for VIP, and I have spoken to a few of its former patients who need revision. But even then, most places that have been around long enough have had unhappy outcomes so I don't want to dissuade you haha

 

Judging by the quotes I got at my consultations, $6,000 should definitely be enough at most clinics (I recall that JK and VIP are expensive though, so maybe not for them but you'd have to double check). To be honest, I had a hard time getting clinics to give me a discount for paying in cash, though some clinics do provide a sizable discount for doing so (I'm pretty sure Regen discounts for paying in cash!). I have heard of some people having luck with pricing when they brought Korean friends but also that many clinics won't really budge in that regard unless you can pass as a local. These are other tips for bargaining that I have gathered from this forum/used in my own consultations:

1. If you're comfortable, offer to let the clinics use your before/after photos. Of the seven places I visited, only MVP would accept this for a discount upfront , though this becomes a condition at many clinics if you get them to lower their prices enough
2. Familiarize yourself with prices and be ready to state a budget lower than your actual so you can meet them halfway (this may be difficult to do once you're actually on the spot though haha)
3. Go during low season
4. Cite the prices of other clinics
5. Go with someone else who is looking to get work done to increase your bargaining power

You may also want to have practice consultations at the clinics you're least interested in because at least for me personally, bargaining felt really odd at first, as you have to be the one to initiate. I definitely got a lot better from the time of my first consultation to my last

 

I did not. Lifting the tip pulls them in a bit, and they may also look larger in one of the before photos because I am smiling there

 

If prices haven't in fact changed, you should be looking at 4.5 mil for bridge w/ silicone implant + tip (I don't think many surgeons who operate on Asian noses recommend augmenting the tip without also operating on the bridge, even if they add only a slight implant) since the price of bulbous tip reduction is included in the price of tipplasty (I had this procedure done).

 

I'm obviously not a doctor so you should search for responses from actual surgeons online but this is what I've gathered: If you remove too much you might end up with breathing problems and I have heard of people's noses collapsing. Skin is also a limitation: It must be able to accommodate the new structure (my surgeon told me, for example, that he wouldn't know if he'd use a 3.5 or 4 mm implant until the operation because he didn't know how much my skin could stretch), and if you have thick skin, you may not be able to get as much refinement in the tip. Aesthetically, you would also want your new nose to be in balance with the rest of your face--someone with a very wide nose may look odd with a tiny one--and have the different parts of your nose be in proportion with each other. For instance, I feel like alars are a limitation for some East Asian patients because they may be thick or wide and you can only reduce the base so much/can't do anything about the meatiness, so if the rest of your nose is too thin in comparison, it may end up looking phallic, e.g. Xiaxue's nose in her unedited pics

 

From people's experiences on this forum, this seems to be fairly common practice and a tactic customers will use to try to secure a discount. I was actually surprised that so many of the clinics I consulted with (six of seven) wouldn't provide a discount after I offered to pay in cash LOL

 

Last I heard from members who went in April, GNG's starting point is 4.5 mil for rhino with silicone and tipplasty + 1 mil for alar if done with the rest of the nose (roughly $5,100 USD). 7.5 mil KRW sounds like the price for primary rhino with a different material (donor perhaps?) + alar (correct me if I'm wrong). You can bargain and get the price down a tad without having to share pictures (a girl in the group chat did this recently), but if you get a discount that makes a difference (though they don't give huge discounts unless maybe you're a Youtuber with a large following or something) you will likely have to allow them to use your photos for marketing purposes.

For Namu, I was able to bargain my price down to 4.5 mil KRW (4,200 USD) for primary rhino + osteotomy + forehead fat grafting after I offered to pay in cash.

 

I know I'm making these public anyway but would like for them not to be posted in other threads LOL
BEFORE (no makeup):

(W/ makeup from straight then looking up):

Day 6:

Day 35:

The angle of the profile pic is a bit off but I had asked for straight with a slight curve and it's more curved in person than the photo shows

 

Disclosure:

Since there has been an influx of consultants/agents posing as patients these days and a lot of misinformation, I feel the need to state this. And I know everyone is suspicious of the GNG fanfare and quick to doubt the reviews, so I will repeat that yes, after bargaining for an hour, I did manage to secure an agreeable discount from them (getting multiple procedures/bringing my friend along + being a poor student were the greatest contributing factors imo), and as often happens with clinics that concede to your price, I had to agree to provide them with before-and-after photos at the major recovery marks (1 week, 1 month, etc.) and write reviews for them. So let that shape your opinion however you want.

However, I think they are very honorable with this system and realize that the results of happy patients will speak for themselves and lead to organic growth. To be clear, the photos/reviews were not a point of emphasis and they spent literally all of 20 seconds talking to me about it. There were NO instructions for the reviews I have to post, just that they have to be done within a few months (the consent form literally says "honest reviews" and that's it) and I am NOT required to talk about my consultation experience (typed it before I even saw what was required of me in the consent forms), share photos with you guys, answer questions, persuade you in any way, etc., nor do I even have to post on this forum in particular. I have photograph evidence of my consent form that proves this as well as a Kakao response from Julia today (I was concerned after I saw another girl's post about mysteriously being offered a sleazy deal at this month at the height of GNG's growth and a discount at least double what ~everyone else who has even managed to get some sort of discount has shared) verifying that I could post anywhere. Even when the consultants were filming me for their IG stories, my only instructions were to say what was on my mind. In my last recording, I said something along the lines of, "My results have improved my appearance, but I am not fully satisfied with my nose currently so you may have to prepare yourself for that," and while I cannot verify if GNG posted the video (they have a ton of footage they forget to upload anyway), they certainly did not ask for a redo where I would have to lie. I have also been late in sending the photos (I take them on time though) and not once have the consultants bugged me about it. If anyone has read Miss Orange's posts, I have to do essentially what they asked of her when she was bargaining (might be more believable coming from her since she is as far away from a GNG shill as one could be LOL!). Not that this would have changed anything for me personally, but I do think GNG should have been more specific when I booked my surgery bout the pics/reviews (in all fairness, I had offered first, and when I got my discount, I assumed I would have to do them so I forgot to ask for verification), since they only confirmed what I would have to do a few weeks later on my surgery date. Other than that, I do not have any qualms!

 

Warning: Super long because I talk too much lol

Result:
Dr. Hong spent little time looking at my nose after my cast was removed, in large part because I did not raise any concerns (I am an idiot who did not look in the mirror until after he had examined me). I assume this type of speedy checkup is common practice among clinics since the process is so routine that surgeons can probably quite easily spot any abnormalities. However, I think some clinics that treat only one patient a day are more diligent in this area.

If there is one thing I learned, it is that you really have to manage your expectations and mentally prepare for what you will see in the mirror after your cast is removed: a nose that may be not only foreign to you, but also different from what you had envisioned (due to swelling, but this also applies if your base precludes you from achieving the look you want). Some people look pretty good, but for others, it takes much more time to see any semblance of their desired result. I fall into this latter category.

I was shocked when I saw my reflection for the first time. I had thought I would simply see a wider version of my "wish nose," but in fact, my nose looked triangular, essentially a super implant-y bridge that was connected to a wider tip. The added definition still made my nose an upgrade from my previous one and improved the overall look of my face, but it did not resemble the one in the photo I had shown. I was very worried because most of the noses I had seen in early recovery pictures had looked like bloated versions of the noses that would later take shape, whereas mine seemed to be a different shape altogether from what I had wanted! My nose also looked very asymmetric to me, though angles and the location of the light source contributed to this perception (I demanded that GNG send me the "after" photo they took so I could point out the asymmetry, but I was surprised to find that it was barely visible in the centered photo).

Because we do invest so much physically, emotionally, and financially into undergoing this procedure, we become our own harshest critics once the cast comes off. For instance, the girls I met up with from PF were very blunt, yet they struggled to see what I thought was obvious asymmetry and told me my nose looked great. Similarly, as I retrospectively revisited before-and-after photos that others had posted and held them to the same level of scrutiny as I did my own nose, I was relieved to see in theirs that same asymmetry and thickness of the tip.

Still, I was a bit underwhelmed and unsure of whether this outcome was the result of my anatomy/overly high expectations (swelling aside, the doctor had told me before surgery that I had slight asymmetry) or worse, a lapse in communication on my part. I had completely frozen up on my surgery-day consultation; I literally showed one photo and barely said anything more than, "I want a nose where the bridge, tip, and alars are in proportion to one another." If, like me, you are mellow and not very outspoken, bring someone with you so you can share all your concerns and details + have the greatest shot at getting the outcome you want! Because I worried that Dr. Hong had not understood my aesthetic preferences, I obsessed over my nose the first two weeks, Googling people's experiences with recovery and spamming both GNG Kakao accounts with dozens of pictures.

Along that vein, from my experience and those I have read from others, one great thing about GNG is its consultants' empathy for and responsiveness to their patients. I am not sure many large clinics would have bothered to entertain my million iterations of the same queries after I had left the country, but Hazel and Julia addressed every concern within a few days' time, even if they had to keep repeating themselves (as naturally, the same questions will evoke the same responses no matter their form lool). Unfortunately, at this stage of the recovery process, unless your nose is very obviously f**cked, everyone will tell you your problems are due to swelling (that was basically the only answer I could gauge from the surgeons on RealSelf, too), and most times, they are not wrong (or at least, there is no way to know for sure otherwise). But the consultants' responses did a lot to ease my mind because they gave me confidence that they would not just abandon me if things went south later on (they even checked up on me 3.5 weeks in, unprovoked, after I had not bugged them for awhile LOL, which I found sweet). I still wanted the doctor's take, of course, but it was hard to reach him since there was nothing objectively wrong with my nose, and he would probably not have time to perform surgeries if he had to personally attend to the same handful of post-op concerns from every patient. Again, that still sucks but is just the downside of going to a larger clinic or hospital.

This is easier said than done, of course, but it would be best to refrain from fixating on your nose or making snap judgments during the first month because this will likely just result in unnecessary stress. I am a little over a month post op now and I cannot believe how much my nose and forehead have shrunk. From the 15th day on is when I started seeing major improvement in my nose: My bridge began to blend in with my existing nasal structure as the swelling died down and stopped pushing my implant against my skin and my tip deswelled to be more aligned with my bridge (I had asked for a nose that was straight from the front as this seemed most achievable with my starting point). The first three weeks, I was quite depressed that I looked so unnatural and like a different person, but I am now at a point where most of my white friends can't tell I had something done (my white roommate also did not notice something was amiss lmao). The difference to my overall face may be exaggerated at some angles, but I do look better and the change in my nose is drastic while the nose itself looks natural, as I had requested. It's still odd to see how much less wide my nose is than before, but I am pleasantly surprised by how well Dr. Hong managed to create that definition while keeping my bridge and tip proportionate to my alars, which were my biggest concern prior to surgery (I had decided against reducing them).

Even today, I think it is too soon to conclusively say whether or not my final result will be perfectly to my liking. Because I have thick skin and had a bulbous tip to start with, it will take a year and a half to two years to see the final look (combination of deswelling + cartilage reabsorption in the tip + the skin of the tip contracting to accommodate the smaller size, according to Real Self). As of now, however, I am very impressed with the changes and how they have harmonized my other features!

That being said, there are thousands of clinics in Seoul, and we really only see the same handful of names over and over again on this forum. While I do not believe that GNG is the only place capable of delivering a great result, the good thing about having rapport among foreigners is that the clinic or hospital in this case) becomes well equipped to deal with us in its different facets of aftercare, from deswelling to correspondence. Based off my experience so far, I would recommend GNG (at least for a consult even if you don't end up getting surgery there), but everyone should do their own research to make an informed decision

 

This is so damn late but oh well LOL. Typed these up at the time but made my final edits today now that I have finished school:

Day 2: Woke up feeling like something had slept on my face (probably also because I went to bed at 5 AM and woke at 8). The swelling felt worse than the day before, to the point where my double eyelids had turned into monolids. The purple around my nose was becoming more yellow. I fell back asleep two hours later when I was icing my face and ended up being late to my nose packing removal, oops. This was the coldest day of my stay, but I didn’t have time to find socks so I hurriedly threw on sandals; my feet were freezing during my mile-long speed walk from my Airbnb. The nose packing removal was by far the most painful part of the entire process, especially because one side of my nose had healed worse than the other. It was an odd sensation too, because you felt something coming out from far up your nose and all this pain and pressure at the same time. My eyes watered, but the pain was not too bad in the side that had healed better. I actually still couldn’t breathe through my nose though because I had a lot of mucous and you’re not supposed to blow your nose after surgery, but I had gotten used enough to mouth-breathing at this point that I was not too bothered. Julia then scheduled me to come back on my sixth day post-op—moved up a day probably because of scheduling conflicts with the fat-grafting doctor I had to see—to remove my cast and stitches. After leaving the hospital, I used my hair-washing voucher (remember to ask for one!) since the salon was only a minute away. By the end of the day, my swelling had gone down tremendously and my double eyelids had returned. The worst of the swelling was over!

Day 3: My inner eye corners no longer looked so long!

Day 4: Most of the major swelling around my nose had disappeared, but the area was purplish.

Day 5: The yellowish bruising started to kick it, but it was so subtle that another girl from PF whom I met up with said she could barely see it! PM me if you want pics of my healing from this day Aside from that (and the cast of course), I looked very normal! Walked a few miles this day.

Day 6: Cast and stitches came off early in the morning. I was definitely not mentally prepared to see my results. Before my operation, I had thought that the nose swelling would help conceal my rhino and that my main problem would instead be the incisional scar on my columnella, but the scar was actually not already faint and almost flesh-colored while the change in my nose was definitely obvious...More on that later.

Day 7: Bruising was starting to get more yellow, but it was only two strips under my eyebag

 

Oh that sounds super sketchy and from my experience with GNG uncharacteristic...I hope they are not going down this path (odd that they would choose to do this when they are gaining traction?? I could understand this if they were a new clinic) because it will really discredit the experience of posters here.

Not to discredit what you say, but as someone who did get the surgery at GNG, I will say I was in Korea in March with tomie for my consultations and when we offered to do before-and-after photos and to share our experiences (as advised by earlier patients from this forum), they straight up told us they didn't need any more. Other girls who went in April also struggled to lower the prices quoted to them. I got the price down after an hour by playing the poor student card (we are very young) and quoting other clinic's prices. Even then, they did not tell me I had to do reviews, but at that point I assumed they were going to ask since they were giving me a discount anyway (like Miss Orange, who has some degree of celebrity on this forum, it was still not near 50%, and this was the case for other students I spoke with as well so I am surprised the consultant would jump to offer such a high discount).

My consent forms on the day of surgery contained two lines about having to send the hospital before-and-afters at certain marks (1 week, 1 month, etc.), but I took extras so I could see the progress and share with people who were interested (I did NOT tell GNG I was sharing my experience as I was doing it). There was also a single line (two maybe) about having to produce, in their words, honest reviews, within a few months, but there was no mention of this forum in particular, nor did they tell me I could not disclose that I got a discount (just can't say exactly how much) and they had asked me to write reviews; in fact, I've already mentioned these facts in some group chats and this forum. The terms GNG gave me sound just like the ones Miss Orange mentioned. In fact, Julia said I could basically post anywhere. I have evidence of these instructions in the contract to remember them but also to give myself some degree of protection if I end up writing a negative review. I was late in sending some of the pictures I took (always sent them to GNG last LOL) and they never bothered me about that either so it's odd that they have changed their policy so much in a month's time.