vampire_knight

November 15, 2013

Depressed said: ↑

I think it is both mine and the doctor's fault? Firstly, I didn't know the thickness of the skin was an issue for silicone implants. And I'm surprised Dr. Suh did not even mention this to me at all. Also, my bridge is sort of deviated so it's now extra obvious.

Yeah, I can't wait to go for revision. Does anyone here have any advise about revision rhino (doctors, what to expect, etc)? I'm saving up for it now but I don't know when it'll be enough, I heard revision is more expensive.

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Hello ^^

I see. Really, he didn´t brought it up? That´s weird because I remember talking to a forumer who did dermal fat graft with Dr. Suh because he pointed out that her nasal skin was too thin a silicone implant. :x
Hm, I know you maybe not like the idea, but have you contacted JW and asked them if they would offer revision for free? As far as I know many people offer free revision or will at least give you discount, however if you don´t feel safe with them, it´s of course understandable.

Most of the time revision is more expensive, since doctors have to do "more" compared to a primary rhino, taking implants outs etc.

About revision surgeon: Hm April31´s Dr. Kim Jaehoon surely is great and so far I haven´t come across a bad review about him, however he´s definitely on the pricier side. ^^` Maybe you can try to contact them and see what they offer to you.

Fighting!

Wish you a nice weekend.

November 13, 2013

mwol said: ↑

oh my gosh! i swear we are exactly the same. i am planning to go to small face for vline + cheek reduction too! (i am 100% on small face) haha and before i was set on shimmian for nose but after the bad reviews and experiences on purse forum i am really put off. i have also read in a chinese forum that most of the people are really unhappy and have made his clinic blacklisted.

as for the order in which you should do your surgery. the order that i was told by my korean friends, naver and daum cafes, zoe and anita (the translators) have said was always eyes - nose - facial contouring.

the woman who emails in english for small face is a bit eh i'm not sure how to put it? but she doesn't really put patients as a priority (this is the vibe i got from her, but maybe it is the language barrier...), she even recommended me to go to beautyforever instead of small face saying the doctor is better but i asked my korean friends and they were like wtf? small face is way more popular. she also said that it would be fine for me to do nose first and then go to small face on the same day (both would be under general anaesthesia) and honestly she is the only one who has recommended this. everyone else is totally against it as general anaesthesia the first time is a nightmare to get over. don't worry though on the korean cafes people always commend small face on their friendly staff and great post op care, so hopefully it is just this girl that's a bit?...

i was wondering how much they quoted you for vline + cheek reduction? i heard that locals do get cheaper *sigh* i am hoping my translator can negotiate a lower price as i am a poor uni student and i've been saving for almost 2 years...

for me i am going to do lasek eye surgery, rhinoplasty and hair transplant in the first week (probably the 1st and 2nd day i am there) and the doctors i've asked have said that it's fine to do facial contouring on the 7th day post op. i am going with 2 of my other friends but only 1 of them is doing rhinoplasty. i might extend my stay by a few days to make sure i look "normal" enough to go back home haha n__n

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Hello there,

I don´t know a lot about facial contouring but since you have mentioned SmallFace I would like to share what I know about this clinic. LOL

Actually, I know a forum member who did her mandible reduction surgery there and her outcome is really good! Her surgeon was Dr. Lee, however I don´t know whether this has already been said, Dr. Lee left SmallFace this year and opened his new clinic.

SmallFace´s consultant told me. That was a few months ago, to that time he didn´t have a website, maybe they have one now. Unfortunately, I don´t know the link. :x

Just my two cents. LOL

Cheers,
VK

November 13, 2013

Depressed said: ↑

Dear Vampire_Knight, thank you so much for your kind words. For now, all I can do is learn to love this new nose. I feel like through PS, I lost a part of myself.

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Hello Dear,

You´re very welcome. ^^ Don´t think that you have lost a part of yourself. You are still you and believe me this obstacle will only make you stronger! I am sure that you can overcome this and even though this is an anonymous forum, we genuinely want to help you and encourage you.

I am sorry to hear that your surgery didn´t turn out as you wished for....do you think that your skin was too thin to begin with or was the silicone just misplaced? Normally it shouldn´t show when it´s inserted in the right pocket and the doctor should have carved the implant according to your nasal shape as well as the thickness of your skin.

Thinking about a revision is a good idea but for now you should wait. As you have mentioned rhinoplasty takes a long time (up to a year) until the final result is set, so be patient. Don´t worry! Your surely won´t end up with a nose like Michael Jackson. Before you can reach his level you must save a fortune. XD

My dear, don´t be depressed (even though that´s your forum name LOL) try to cheer up. You are NOT your nose, don´t let the thought of having a "weird" nose consume you! You are still you, and I am convinced that the people around you will help you and support you.

FIGHTING!

Warmest regards,
VK

November 11, 2013

Depressed said: ↑

Hi everyone, I'm new here. I've been following this thread for a while and everyone seems so nice. I'd like to share my story, and hopefully talk to people who are in the same situation as I am.

I had rhinoplasty in South Korea July this year and so far I am very unhappy with the results. I had a relatively alright nose, it was a little bulbous but I guess that bulbous-ness lent my face a cute look.

I think a huge part of my unhappiness is really due to myself. Being only 19, I was too taken in by how pretty Korean girls looked in dramas and music videos that I felt ugly and inadequate in comparison. My friends all told me I was beautiful just the way I was but in my head I kept telling myself that I wouldn't be happy until I got surgery. Well, I did get surgery and now I regret it terribly and I wish I had my old nose back. Sure, it wasn't perfect, but I was confident about how I looked, until I started being influenced negatively by media.

I had my surgery done with Dr. Suh of JW. I don't think he's a bad doctor; I think I'm unhappy with the results because I did not let him know specifically what I wanted. During consultation I gave so much trust to him that I didn't realise he was going to do more than just fill the depression on my nose bridge (I had a bulbous tip, like a ball, so the transition from my underdefined bridge to overdefined tip meant that it had a sudden depression along the length of the nose). I told him I just wanted that filled so that I wouldn't have a shadow where the depression is in my photos. I don't know how but somehow along the way I let him convince me to insert a 2.5mm silicone implant and reduce the sides of my nose (the part where the alars sort of connect to the middle portion of the nose, not sure what it's called so if anyone knows please let me know). He also used my septum cartilage to build my tip. And now I'm left with a nose that has a very visible silicone implant (the entire rectangle is very obvious in most lightings, you can see the edges on the sides as well as the bit between my eyes because I think he placed it higher than where my original nose bridge started and it's been pressing against my skin at an unnatural angle), that has sides (of the middle portion of nose, not alars) that are far too reduced (from front view, it tapers into a V shape as opposed to the original U shape) and looks "pinched" and way too narrow in comparison to my now relatively wide alars, and that looks more deviated than before (my original bridge was slightly deviated but the implant highlighted the deviation.. </3)

I've been really depressed ever since and I feel like I can't smile again until I get my old nose back. I feel like I made the decision to undergo rhinoplasty far too early in my life, and in too much of a rush. I am so scared that my nose will continue to "heal" in a way that I don't like - shrink wrap further, tip falls etc.. And now all I can think about is the day I get revision to correct my mistake. But I have so many issues with that:

1. I'm too scared to undergo surgery again. What if things become WORSE? I feel like I can never trust a doctor to understand exactly how I feel again. I can't speak Korean and going through a translator just feels like my message will get modified somewhere along the way.

2. Cost. It was so expensive for me to go for the first surgery. I used up all my personal savings and I can't fund a revision until a much later date.

3. I don't know which doctor to choose anymore. There's just too many in South Korea and I don't even know where to start.

4. I don't know what SHOULD be done, or whether it CAN be done. Although I know how I WANT my nose to look, I don't know what surgical procedures go into making my nose look the way I want it... I don't want to use any ear/rib cartilage, I definitely don't want to use silicone, and I'm not sure if I have enough septum cartilage anymore. I'm too scared to harvest materials from another part of my body. Also, I don't know if the middle portion of my nose can be widened. I believe a lot of tissue was removed and I'm not sure if I can "refill" those areas with tissue, or whatever else, anymore. :/

I have no one to talk to about this because I'm too embarrassed to admit I made a huge mistake in life, and I don't want to be judged for it. So that's why I'm here. I hope someone here would be able to advise me on what to do. If you've undergone a similar situation, please let me know. Thank you.

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Hello,

I am really sorry to hear what you´re experiencing right now. I don´t know how I can help you but if you need somebody to talk you could email me at
[email protected] (since you aren´t able to PM yet)

Don´t give up now, there is always light at the end of the tunnel. Everything will be alright, as you have said, you´re still young and everything is possible. ^^ Try to be positive, there are many people who want to help you, to encourage you!

I wish you all the best and if you wish you to talk, please email me.

Take care

November 4, 2013

piyochi said: ↑

Thanks Shiny!

You are always so helpful!

I can't find this clinic either.

Btw what do you think of white clinic?

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http://www.psclinic.co.kr/renew/main_index.php

I wonder if it´s this clinic? ^^

July 13, 2013

Chipmunk said: ↑

Heres a more detailed review of what happened.

I was initially anticipating to visit Pitangui and Chungdam U. I came to Chungdam U, had a really personalized and patient consultation with Dr.Lee and the skin specialist. During the consultation, Dr.Lee agreed with all the things i wanted to fix which was osteotomy, tip plasty, paranasal augmentation, fixing my epicanthal folds, aegyosal filler, undereye dark circle fat graft and forehead fat graft (during the consultation he said that he would do the forehead fat graft later and I said OK, but he never told me he would remove it from the price which came to a surprise to me since i asked about my forehead fat graft and Dr.Lee sighed and said in korean "what is she talking about?" and they sat me down to tell me it was never included in the first place and that they have a 'chart' to prove that it wasnt included, i wasnt interested in seeing it because i remember i paid thinking that it was included so it kinda putt me off.) I couldnt afford the initial price and asked to remove the skin care but still had a hefty price left for my procedures, they called around ₩9,XXX,XXX. I said all I had was ₩8,000,000 and they said they could do it and went to talk to the head to see about that price. They came back to tell me that they could do ₩8,000,000 however I couldn't receive additional fillers if needed. They asked to see how much money I had and I was nervous and shy and out of stupidity pulled out my bank statement saying that i had in fact ₩8,600,000 and all of a sudden they were like ok price is ₩8,600,000, pay deposit and you can do surgery whenever you want. I picked tomorrow and I was too shy to point out that they agreed to ₩8,000,000 initially. However I paid my deposit and decided not to go to Pitangui because I felt as though Dr.Lee saw what i wanted fixed as if he was in my shoes and their prices were lower than Pitanguis, plus Pitangui didnt have a lot of B&A photos and Chungdam U actually has B&A photos from Ulzzangs they worked on. I decided to do surgery the next day.

On the day of my surgery I was about to pay and let the desk lady know that me and Dr.Lee agreed on ₩8,000,000 which was later changed to ₩8,600,000 upon seeing the money slip I pulled out. The desk lady replied with 'My doctor would never do something like that', I shrugged it off and off I went. I washed my face and was brought to the operating chair. They marked my face, had me read and sign an agreement that acknowledges risks and other stuff, laid me down, put a cozy blanket over me, stuffed doggie in my left hand and then injected me with needle that didnt seem to hurt at all. Next thing I know I'm flying and seeing colors and then all of a sudden I wake up and hear sewing on my eyes and nurses humming prettily to the kpop in the background. It was really relaxing and comfortable. then I winced a little and they immediately understood and gave me a numbing needle for my eye which was relieving. Then they sat me up and put an ice pack on my eyes for a few minutes. Then they said they were going to put me to sleep and I was asleep a minute later lol. Woke up in a recovery room feeling numb and dizzy and very very thirsty. They said I couldnt drink for an hour, but 30 mins later they let me have a sip of lukewarm water and then I was out the door. The first few hours I felt absolutely nothing, then later that night the pain kicked in and I felt a headache-like pain in the middle of my face, if that makes sense. I woke up every 30 mins to drink water cause I wasnt used to breathing through my mouth and my mouth got really dry. First couple of days remained so and I e-mailed Dr.Lee about it and he told me that he understands and that its a very uncomfortable and normal part of the procedure. I was swollen for about a week, eating pumpkin soup and drinking tons of water. My paranasal implants were placed through an incision in my nose, so there werent any stitches in my mouth which i am very glad for bc i couldnt imagine having my mouth really swollen. I realized we had a humidifier in the house and I began to use that, which made the dry mouth problem a heck of a lot better and I could finally sleep normally without waking up in the middle of the night.

By day 10 I had my nose cottons removed, when they removed them my nose started to bleed like crazy and i was quite embarrassed haha. They removed the stitches which hurt less than I expected, there was no pain, just itchiness haha. By day 14 I had my nose splint removed (its usually 7 days for people who dont get osteotomy and get something like implant instead) and was finally able to see my new nose. I was surprised they never cleaned my splint during those 14 days cause when they removed it I had these massive blackheads . Theyre all gone now though. Dr.Lee cleaned the splint and gave it to me to wear at night. My nose bridge was still a bit fat looking because of swelling and Dr.Lee said it would go away in a few months. I realized a few weeks after my eye swelling subsided completely that I wasnt satisfied with the correcting of my epicanthus and it was still uneven where one eye was longer than the other and Dr.Lee said I could surely do revision if I felt as though it was undercorrected and still a bit uneven. During that upcoming appointment, they said they had to wait a few months before they operated or else there would be a bigger chance of scarring and also they had to see how it healed.

Next, they told me that I was due for my aegyosal and undereye dark circle filler. WAIT? FILLER? I asked for fat graft for my undereye circles and Dr.Lee said that they actually wrote it down as filler because fat particles are less fine than fillers, fat is hard to remove and would cause sagging years later. I found it weird because many other clinics offered fat graft for undereye. So I took out the fillers and opted for skin lasers instead. I had ₩1,400,00 worth of fillers and my skin price was supposed to be ₩2,100,000. Although I made this forum post and even translated their website to attract foreign patients and help them out, they still expected me to pay ₩700,000 which made me super ticked off and i asked why they couldnt give me a discount for the skin. The reason they said was 'we already gave you discount for your surgeries, we cannot give you anymore discounts' WHAT? and then I made a post in this thread complaining and someone from here reported it to Dr.Lee and he asked me to change it or take it down lol. Before this, I felt like my paranasal area was also undercorrected and he recommended me fat dissolving injections for free, I denied because usually people add volume to cheeks instead of removing (which makes you look old). I emailed him about fat graft and he said okay and mentioned discussing price at my next visit. Then finally when I visited about my revision and he was really nice and asked me to remove the negative post and was offering free change of my paranasal implant to bigger, or fat graft or fat dissolving stuff and I said no. But a few days later I inquired about it again and asked for fat graft for paranasal without additional cost for all that ive done and stuff and he agreed! yay! Also i asked to watch my revision with a mirror to see if I would like more or less and he said i could do that too. So im really happy about that and really happy with this clinic now.

Its now 3 months post op and the swelling is down drastically and my nose is looking nicer and thinner week by week. I am really happy with the results and it doesnt look super fake or plastic. It looks like an upgraded version of my own nose with a pretty tip. The tip and bridge is just what I wanted. My epicanthal folds healed really nicely with absolutely no scarring and I am due for my revision this tuesday. Also visiting other plastic clinics along the way, I have to say that hands-down Chungdam U has the prettiest and most natural looking desk ladies. All the other clinics I went to, the ladies had scary looking eyes that looked like they couldnt close properly, fake super pointy upturned noses, obviously scary chipmunk-like fat graft and aegyosal fillers. Chungdam Us desk ladies really reflect their skill and how careful they do their work and not make everyone into a clone. Also how personalized they are and dont have that factoryesque vibe. I have to say that I am really thankful for this clinic overall and how much they shot up my confidence without makeup and contouring tricks. I am super happy with my face and I feel like it was really worth the money I saved up, i wouldve spent more at a more medical-tourism oriented clinic with ****ty skills, a football team amount of nooby plastic surgeons that they could switch off at any point and a super unpersonalized plastic looking face molded with a cookie cutter. I have no regrets at this point and I am excited for my revision.

Thank you Chungdam U and Dr. Lee again.

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Hello Chipmunk! ^^

Thank you again for your detailed review about Chungdam U. I am happy to know that you´ll finally get your deserved surgeries. Good luck with your upcoming revision on next tuesday. Touch Wood. !

Warmest regards

June 26, 2013

PSP said: ↑

Dear Marir,

I am sourcing for good surgeons for multiple procedures.

would you mind to send me the updated list of PS?

Btw, i couldn't find the websites for:
1) TL PS
2) View PS

If you can send the website for the above clinics, it is greatly appreciated!

Email: [email protected]

Thank you for being such a babe to this forum!

God bless you

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Hi ^^

For View it´s http://www.viewclinic.com

Regards

June 8, 2013

Hi Chris!

Thank you very much for sharing your PS experience in Seoul. The review was very detailed and helpful and you paid a lot of attention to small details that are normally not mentioned in other posts. ^^

And I am glad to know that I was able to help you a little bit.

Happy Healing!

May 23, 2013

chris alexander said: ↑

hi guys

just had my rib rhinoplasty yesterday with shimmian ( Dr jung), I arrived at the clinic at 9am and I woke up at 7:00 pm..... frankly the pain is much more intense than I expected.... will write a more detailed review when I feel better.

thank you vampire knight for chatting with me on kakaotalk yesterday night as I could not sleep and looking forward to get the gauze removed from my nostrils, this is is so uncomfortable....

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Hi Chris!

I am glad that I could help you! I know that having a rib graft for nose is not easy, so stay strong and the pain will go away!

Happy Healing!

May 22, 2013

ms.rochelle said: ↑

did I do?! I was thinking of a scene from Saw but I cannot remember any involving lasers. My friends and me are such horror-seeking junkies.

I found this this morning.

http://www.medicalkorea.or.kr/eng/patients/medical_dispute_Introduction.jsp

Does anyone know if this has been passed into law? I tried searching it but have found no useful results.

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Haha well yeah a little bit...but it´s okay. XD Oh I see, I am not thaaaat into horror movies lol

Sorry but I have no answer to your question....

May 21, 2013

anitx said: ↑

I was having full incision

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Thank you very much! Lol I just saw that I missed an "s" in fast and wrote fat instead

May 21, 2013

SCind said: ↑

i'm planning on going this august. But still not sure yet which clinic to choose? =(
bcs none of the clinic i'm interested havent reply yet.
oz gave me a price 6,6mil on rib graft..but i think the doctor himself is not comfortable doing it, so maybe not going to do it there.
anyone can give me advice?

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Hi again ^^

Yeah it´s really frustrating when the clinics don´t reply....but have a little more patient, since you´re going in August, you still have time and I think until then, they will reply. Or maybe you could try to call them?

Hm, so you´re sure that you only want to use rib graft for your augmentation?
I am sorry that I can help you since I haven´t done much research about clinics who offers rib graft...the clinics I already mentioned are the only ones which I know.

May I ask if you only speak English, do you also speak other languages? ^^

Regards

May 21, 2013

annhatesyou said: ↑

I have a short nose which shows my flaring nostrils. It's also flat and wide. So I wanted to get silicone implant, alarplasty and tiplasty.

JW

My appointment was at 2:00 but I was doing lunch with Signalz and Schlok and went in earlier like at 1:00 instead. They still took me. Yumi is no longer there. The new translator is Jacob. He helped me fill out some paper work and then the receptionist girl went to take some pictures of my nose in different angles. After that I got called to go see Dr. Suh. He was very nice, friendly and calm.

I showed him a picture of the nose I wanted. He touched my nose and recommended me to get 3mm silicone implant with alar base reduction and 3mm septal/ear cartilage tip. I told him I dont want a thick tip or too long of a nose and he drew on my pictures that I took earlier and it looked nice. It would be open rhino and takes about 2.5 hours. Consultation was probably 5 minutes. I didnt have any questions prepared.

Then I was lead to another room to talk about price. The pricing lady suggested me to get botox for my box face and I kept saying no and she kept saying it would make my face less square. Im like thanks but no thanks...She quoted me $6.43mil but she reduced it $5.8mil. I was like whhhhat?! Thats still expensive! I showed them the email for the 3 procedures that said it would be between $4,000 - $5000 and she said that was only based on the picture. Apparently my procedure was not easy because he wasn't just going to stick ear cartilage on my nose, he had to change the direction of my nose cartilage to make it longer so its a difficult procedure and it'll cost more. But seeing my picture I'm sure she could see that I had a short nose so why would she not tell me in the email already. Then she changed her story and said she didn't see the email that's why I was quoted $4,000-$5,000. Shady....?

I said ok thats fine since JW has such a good reputation and Dr. Suh would perform my surgery. Scheduled me for June 3rd at 3:00. I had to go put a deposit down but my bank card was not getting accepted so I couldnt withdraw any money so we went to several banks but it was still rejected. I said I come back tomorrow and left.

Pitangui

My appointment was at 5:00. I got there at 5 and we waited about 5 minutes for Nicole. She said Dr. Yoo was finishing a surgery so he should be done in 5 minutes. Waited 5 minutes and we went into the consultation room. I came in and he started to touch my nose and said I needed nose augmentation, tiplasty and alarplasty. His hands smelled like the latex gloves.. at least they werent lying about him doing surgery.

He said he would give me a nose that curves up and I was like wait.. hold up.. what!? I dont like that so I showed him pictures of the nose I wanted and he said no problem. Nicole assured me that the rhinoplasty is customizable so he could do it to however I liked it. He flipped through my pictures and said if I wanted it to be exactly like the picture I would have to do nasal bone narrowing. Great. I totally didnt even think I needed it but whatever. He also recommended that I should get paranasal augmentation to make my nose look more define cause I have them lines from my big cheeks. Anyways the procedure would be closed rhino and it would take 1.5 hours. In which I thought it was too short and I asked her is it because he's rushing my procedure?! So she said that its better that its faster because less blood and less anesthesia blah blah and its an easy procedure for him since he has 25+ years of experience.

He didnt speak any English to me and Nicole translated everything but when I asked her a question he would understand and already answer in Korean... So I had no questions and the doctor left. I asked if I could see some pictures and she only showed me their brochure pictures which were all upturned noses! She told me not to worry about it because that nose is what Koreans want now. She then gave me the price breakdown of the 3 procedures for 3.3 mil if I get the nasal bone narrowing it would be 4.7 mil. I asked for a discount but she said it was already really low which I agree but couldnt hurt to ask. LOL.

Anyways.... I think I'm leaning more towards Pitangui.... but JW has good reviews for nose and Pitangui has none!! I don't know.. might check out jewelry, oz, wonjin, and jk...

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Dear Ann!

Thank you very much for your detailed review on these two clinics! I totally understand your concern about not knowing many any people going to Dr. Yoo for rhinoplasty and it´s great that you take time to make a decision instead of rushing for your surgery. ^^

The price thing about JW doesn´t convey a good impression but I think Dr. Suh´s skills are good. However consult other clinics and maybe you will find a clinic who can give you your dream nose with a pleasant price.

Good luck and I wish you a happy stay in Seoul!

Warmest regards

P.S.: GO AND LOOK FOR TAEMIN! XD

May 21, 2013

anitx said: ↑

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I was told to come back the next day to remove the bandage. As they has some bandage tape around the bridge on my nose and the corner of my two eyes where epi was done. Looks like I have a nose job lol. It was tape really securely. So it would be difficult to remove yourself too.

After I left the clinic, there was a lil pain and some burning sensation starts to be felt on my eyes perhaps all the anaesthetic was off by then.So the pain came in. There wasn't really major pain but a little bit of pain I must say. Luckily the weather was pretty cold that night at about 15deg or less so it was comfortable when the cold wind was blowing in my face icy cold. I was not feeling very well after the surgery as I felt a lil nauseous and maybe because my eyes starts to tear excessively ,the tear was like free flow flowing out every few seconds. So it was really uncomfortable I have to have my tissue on my hand all the way for the drying the tears from the sides as I cant rub my eyes. and my vision was constantly getting blur due to the tears buildup in my eyeball. And furthermore I have to put on my shades and the sky was turning dark. So it was really uncomfortable with that vision and perhaps this also caused the nauseous feeling. It wasn't the pain that was causing me discomfort I must say,not much pain at all. More of the blurry and the teary eyes. I still proceed to the supermarket to get some food that I can eat and fruits. there are plenty of pineapples around if you wana get ,already sliced in packed but quite exp cant remb the exact price now but less than 10,000won. lol of cause cant be compared with sg price. I got many fruits like kiwi & pineapple to eat.And a 1Litre pineapple juice, I ate really a lot of fruits for the next few days after my surgery and I realised the swelling do come down really well. Not sure if its their antibiotics or the fruits that are helping? lol.. Anyway pineapple can also be found on streets in myeongdong as well as dongdaemun , I got them at 1000won per slice on a stick
There was no restriction for food according to Dr.kwon. But I still don't wana take the risk so I avoided spicy ,salty and seafood.

After removing the bandage, I can see clearly the stitches when I see my eyes really near otherwise the stitches is almost not obvious as it was black in color so it looks like ur eyelash instead. lol. But it was really very neatly stitch and closely stitch. But I still have to have my sunglass on as my eyes looks really scary and bruised. I don't wana scare people with my eyes bare lol.. so for the next few days the eyes was excessively tearing too and I was given saline from the clinic to clean it every morning or as and when needed. I do have a lil difficulty in the morning when opening my eyes as the eye sh*t will stuck on the lash and the corner of the eyes so have to clean it slowly with the saline given. I also put on cold pack whenever I can. But because most of the time I was out shopping I actually only put on twice a day in the morning and at night for my cold pack ha. If you can , do it more often I believe it helps with the swelling.

I got my stitch out on the 7th day and it was FREAKING PAIN like hell. More painful definitely than the surgery itself. I don't know if I am the only one experiencing it? There was no anaesthetic for removing the stitches. The corner where epi was done was the most painful as the thread seems to be the most difficult to remove (Not dr.kwon removing the stitches) it was some surgeon or i am not sure who as they all wear the blue surgery robe .I could hear the cutting of thread and feel the pulling of thread out and my skin seems to be stuck on the thread somehow that she have to pull it out OUCHH! it was soooooooooo damm pain I swear. But after all its over it wasn't pain. But my eyes was still swollen of cause not as swollen compared to day 1. Dr kwon then came to check on my eyes and told me it was recovering well and ask if I have any qns. It was pretty red and swollen but it slowly came down the next few days.

And is already 10 days my eyelids had deswell quite a lot and it looks really natural too just that the line still reddish and abit of swell still remains but there is absolutely no scaring for my epi and my friend cannot even tell that I had epi when they look closely. I was overall pretty satisfied with my eyelid surgery so far

p/s sorry for the long winded post.

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Thank you so much for sharing and I am glad to hear that you´re happy with your result so far! Maybe I was reading too fat lol, but did you have partial incision or full incision?

I wish you Happy Healing!

Warmest regards

May 20, 2013

SCind said: ↑

well, yes..true..
it s just i kinda feel safer with the autologous cartilage rather than using foreign material..
i heard abt using your costal ribs cartilage is quite economic, is that true?
anyyway do u have any recommendation abt which clinic is good for these procedure? and with a less expensive than others, i know vip is quite famous for rhino but i also heard theyre expensive..

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Yeah I understand your concern. ^^ It´s still your own tissue...but just relocated lol.
Well economic, I don´t know how much you value eco-friendliness, but I have to say in the case of my nose this factor would not affect my decision. ^^
You will not use plastic that´s true.

Using rib for your nose will always be more expensive than using silicone, beside VIP I heard that Shimmian Jung is also very skilled with rhino also using rib. I think more and more clinics are offering rib graft for rhino but they don´t always mention that on their website, so you might call them of write them an email in order to get more information. I know it´s really frustrating when they don´t reply to mails......

When do you plan to go to Korea? ^^

May 19, 2013

monalisa77 said: ↑

Hey I've been thinking about this approach: i have a bulbuous nose, I need osteotomy to make my nose bridge slimmer....now that nose bone which will be shaved away, can they not dice it and wrapped it in fascia to make my bridge taller? It seems I've never heard it, but this is logical approach. If the nose cartilage isn't enough, they can also take from my ears.

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Hi!

Well in case of osteotomy the nasal bone is broken but it´s not removed! The nasal bones are very thin and fragile, the surgeon cuts them on both sides and then they´re pushed inwards, they´re not removed so the surgeon will not dice it. And be aware that the nasal bone is BONE and not cartilage.

Yes of course but it depends on the condition of your nose, if you have so much cartilage to give your nose enough support then it will be fine. ^^ This of course is a great procedure but you have to check with your surgeon if he´s willing to do it, not everybody wants to do this, since it requires more time lol. And this method is more expensive of course.

But in the hand of the right surgeon this surely is a great way to augment the nose without using any artificial implants. However you must be aware of the absorption rate of cartilage which can´t be exactly predicted, that´s the downside of using autograft....

Man, why can´t there be a really good implant for life time XD

May 19, 2013

SCind said: ↑

hey everyone... just want to know if anyone knows some info abt jewelry clinic in korea. so far i think their b&a is the most interesting one.
but they dont have eng website, and ive emailed them with the email some pple been giving me, but so far havent got any reply.
ive emailed regen and oz too, but also havent got any response so far.. can anyone help me to contact the clinic?

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Hm when did you contact the clinics? Bigger clinics like Regen need more time to reply. I thought OZ is quick with response though....

What do you exactly want? Maybe I can help you. ^^

May 19, 2013

SCind said: ↑

thaanks for understanding...
ive read so many pple have the revision rhino, are we always have to do revision surgery? bcs honestly i just wanna do it once, like once for a lifetime, haha...
do u think if i choose to use the autologous cartilage for my primary implant, the surgery cost will be more expensive? :cry:

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Haha you´re welcome. I am also needy lol

Yes it´s true that rhinoplasty has the highest revision rate, also because many people are not happy about their result..like not defined enough etc.

Yes I only want to do it once, but honestly I don´t think that there´s a material that will last a life time....because your nose will change as your face when you get older.

It will be more expensive that´s sure. It will require other incisions. For rib they have to cut on your chest, and for ear cartilage they also have to cut your ear and then shape it in the right shape so that you can use it for the bridge. There´s also the technique DC-F, which stands for diced cartilage wrapped in fascia. You harvest cartilage, then you dice it and it will be wrapped in temporal fascia, which will be harvested from your skull, the temporal muscle and this "thing" (lol I can´t think of a better term now) will be used as your implant.
However the bad thing about those cartilage grafts is that you can´t predict the absorption rate, and sometimes it´s also too soft to withstand the skin´s tension of your nose, so not everybody suits this procedure. TT___TT

So talk to your surgeon who should suggest you different approaches but be aware that no implant either artificial or autologous is "perfect"

Regards

May 18, 2013

ms.rochelle said: ↑

Reading this, I suddenly remembered a scene from Final Destination where the girl was strapped down to her seat waiting for the doctor to perform LASIK. Then the machine went on and the laser shot right through her eyes.

Good suggestion! If we can't sue individual clinics, can we at least make a collective malpractice suit to try to regulate their practice?

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LOL I was thinking about getting LASIK / LASEK for my eyes....you´re really frightening you know XD

Yeah I think that will be a good idea but I also have no clue about the Korean law system. Is there anybody who studied Law on this forum who´s familiar with the Korean law system?

May 18, 2013

SCind said: ↑

well, I may sound annoying and needy, but um, I prefer the one using your own cartilage from your ears or ribs (autologous cartilage) and so far from the small internet-based research i'd done, the korean clinics only use autologous cartilage for the nose tip or revisional nose surgery.

can we make request to our doctor what material we wanna use and everything? they said using our own cartilage would b more economic, bcs that way you wouldnt have to use the silicone implant or goretex.
does anyone know abt this?

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You aren´t annoying or needy at all and it´s better to be like this instead of just going for the easy way. ^^

It´s true that most clinics only use septal / conchal cartilage for tip plasty and rib is used for bridge augmentation. First it´s more invasive to use rib and it has the possibility of warping, bending and absorption but in the hand of the right surgeon this risks should be limited. And some clinics also offer to use rib as a primary implant, it all depends on your request, they can´t force you to use something you don´t want.

So if you´re sure about rejecting all kind of artificial implant you must tell this your doctor and I am sure that there are surgeons out there who can provide you a satisfying result. Wish you good luck with your research!

May 18, 2013

SCind said: ↑

I heard that silicone is not recommended to be used lately.. bcs its carcinogenic or sth, so im looking for the one with gore-tex material. have u heard of that?

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Hi again ^^

Well as far I know there is no proof that silicone is certainly carcinogenic, otherwise it wouldn´t be used for so many different stuffs exclude PS.

But I understand your concern that it´s a foreign material, I also want to avoid silicone if possible but I really don´t want to use gore-tex....It´s porous and tissue will grow into it, it sounds tissue friendlier this way but if you want to remove it in future it can be really difficult.

So personally if you have to use a synthetic implant I would rather use silicone instead of gore-tex because it´s easily removed, that´s just my opinion though.

May 18, 2013

SCind said: ↑

hello everyone,
I wanna know if any of you heard of jewelry? I heard that theyre popular among koreans, and I visited their website the b&a pic all look great. But I couldnt seem to find their email or anything in english.can anyone help me?
how are they?
I heard act regen, oz, grand and I really dont know which one to choose
I'm planning to do rhinoplasty and the tip, also double eyelid and canthoplasty.

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Hi SCind!

Nice to meet you! I saw Jewelry´s advertisement on various sites so I know them but so far I haven´t really done research about them. Sorry that I can´t provide you more information.

However, I found their FB site and they got this email: [email protected]
Maybe you can try to contact them via this address. I hope they´ll respond.

May I ask if you´re thinking of bridge augmentation using silicone? Because we´re seeking very similar procedures.

Let´s keep in touch.

Regards

May 17, 2013

jennylicious said: ↑

HI everyone,

i am going to korea this coming july and will be expecting to do zygoma and mandible surgery along with enhancement of my eyes.

A few of my shortlisted clinics are:
Wonjin
Item
Grand
Regen
JW
I.P.S (for high frequency masseter reduction, an alternative to mandible surgery, i am new to this does anyone has any experiences to share regarding this procedure?

basically JW and wonjin are the most responsive clinics in term of customer service.. but i will be seeing the doctors personally in July before deciding.

Any recommendations or suggestions are most welcomed!

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Hi Jennylicious!

Nice to meet you! It´s cool that you´re interested in High Frequency Masseter Reduction and I´ve also heard of I.P.S. but they´re a agency and not a clinic itself.

You will be brought to Dr. Koh for your surgeries. Here is the website: http://www.ips-kr.com/eng/ad_sponsor_detail_id1.php

And his clinic is called Petitnoble I think. There´s only a Korean version of his website though. ^^

Regards

May 16, 2013

Cix123 said: ↑

Nope I didn't. But I know the main doctor doesn't speak English, however there are workers there that did speak English. I know they have a skype account but I don't know it. If you can somehow manage to get it then good luck

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Well I emailed Regen and they replied, in Chinese though XD they just said a lot of stuffs I must fix...and they refused to tell any prices. The consultant said I must come personally in order to tell me the prices of the procedures because every patient is different, but she told me which surgeries I must have without seeing me in person?

Anyway, try this adress email, but write in Chinese if you're able to and they should reply. Maybe the consultant is more helpful in your case.

May 14, 2013

Chipmunk said: ↑

Thankyou

Dr.Lee specializes in eyes and Dr. Kim specializes in nose, but Dr.Lee's the only one who does osteotomy so he did my osteotomy.

I think Dr.Yang the head doctor does facial contouring

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Yeah I think all doctors perform eye and nose surgery. But Dr. Lee is the only one who performs osteotomy, interesting for a doctor who specializes in eye surgery.

Oh is Dr. Yang is the one who does facial contouring? Do patients often go there for facial contouring, I haven´t seen a Before&After story of someone who went for facial contouring to Chungdam U.

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