pear-orange

September 29, 2018

HashtagGoals said: ↑

There are two dr Lee’s both graduated from Seoul university.

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Thank you @HashtagGoals

September 29, 2018

Flowerpower111 said: ↑

No I don’t. He wasn’t my doctor.

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I know, Namu surgeon’s profile is listed on website so I didn’t ask.
You mentioned TFD so I thought you might know about dr Lee. Sorry for being unclear

September 17, 2018

@Lisa Cheng,
I’m really interested in Dr Jin
May I ask how much you paid? Could you give an estimated price range of dr jin’s clinic? If you’re not comfortable answering it publicly, please DM me

September 15, 2018

jphuoc said: ↑

I know this was directed to MissOrange, but I thought I would give some input. My biggest advice? Be honest. Notify the clinic of any preexisting health conditions and all medications you are taking, including herbal supplements. In the US, young, healthy adults generally do not undergo extensive workups prior to outpatient surgery. Even an ECG is usually not obtained for a 20-something year old with no significant medical history.

Here's some questions that a standard evaluation should include:

Do you have any drug allergies? Have you had GA before? Have you or any family members ever experienced problems with GA, such as fever or death? Do you have a history of seizures or stroke? Any lung conditions, such as asthma or shortness of breath? Do you smoke? Do you drink? Any recreational drug use? Any cardiac conditions such as high blood pressure or an abnormal heart rhythm? Are you able to climb at least 2 flights of stairs without stopping? Any stomach issues, such as acid reflux when you lay flat? Thyroid problems? Diabetes? Have you noticed any easy bleeding or bruising?

Just some questions to think about.

And PLEASE, for the love of God, no food 8 hours prior to surgery, no water 2 hours prior to surgery.

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Thank you so much for all these tips. I’m going to forward all these important advice to my friends who wants to get PS in Korea

September 15, 2018

MissOrange said: ↑

Have you had GA before @pear orange ? It is a hard question to answer. Rationally you should be fine with GA as having an unknown heart condition is very rare and if you have had GA before without any problems that should reassure you more. However there is a fear factor when a clinic has a death. I can't answer that question for you. I am a very anxious person so GA in korea terrifies me.

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I never had GA before, only local anesthesia. I think I would just voice my concerns to the clinic honestly and see what they say.

Thank you for your advice @MissOrange

September 15, 2018

pear orange said: ↑

Hi @MissOrange ,

This news is deeply shocking to me as I have considered doing rhinoplasty at MVP before. My deepest condolences to the young boy’s family.

May I ask your opinion on how to make sure we don’t die during GA? Aside from having our weight taken to get the proper dose, making sure that the anaesthetist doctor will monitor us for the whole surgery, the Clinic muat have the properti Emergentisme equipment, getting ecg, what else must we remember?

I’m not even sure if the clinic will want to perform ecg test for a young patient like me

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*proper emergency

September 15, 2018

MissOrange said: ↑

Having read most of the 3000 naver comments using google translate, @ElijahSpk 's intense anger is echoed by many who watched the cctv footage and by the deceased's mother at interview, and I think we all agree it is appalling to see a nurse groom her hair nonchalantly, a nurse appear to be laughing, one handed cpr which may suggest lack of serious effort and a surgeon standing aside with arms crossed as their patient lies dying. In a code situation in the NHS everyone rushes to the patient and surrounds the bed to help. It is as if to say we all want to do everything to save your life, as it is in peril, a life or death situation. The observed behaviour on cctv contradicts this and may suggest character flaws in these individuals that make us worried to have them treat us or other patients. We all know the phrase arrogance kills. So I can understand the many on naver and @ElijahSpk who wish to have the staff struck off based on their observed behaviours on cctv. However appalling character flaws is not enough to be struck off or imprisoned which is why we can only hope the public humiliation will make the staff improve and change their behaviour. I know what some are thinking, that this type of cruel behaviour is not befitting medical staff and a potential red flag and may not be changed but may be inherent in these particular individuals. I feel deep sadness that the boy's mother has to live with these images of how her son died. When a patient dies in hospital, we tell the family we did everything we could but this poor mother has these heartless images to live with for the rest of her life unless the surgeon and clinic can meet with the family and show genuine remorse and ask for her forgiveness for the observed behaviours.

In the US and UK, the names of the clinic and doctors are often printed by press even before the official verdict. This is good and bad. We have seen named individuals pilloried in public only to find they were innocent of, for instance rape, but their lives destroyed because they were publicly named and shamed and once in print seems to stay forever on the www unless one can afford an expensive lawyer to remove but papers also with expensive lawyers may argue it was disclosed in the public interest. Yet conversely we the public want to know for our own safety the name of the clinic that hires such seemingly uncaring theatre staff which is why some on naver have disclosed the name and here too.

As I said before there are only 2 surgeons at this clinic who do rhinoplasties and it is not Dr Seo. Through a process of elimination you are forewarned. I would rather not mention his name without official confirmation but do know from my experience and that of 2 other pf members with him, that his seemingly aloof behaviour watching as others he employs attend to his patient and a seemingly jovial operating theatre atmosphere, fits the character profile of the particular surgeon I met there and I have posted in the past not recommending him but not everyone out there reads pf and therein lies the dilemma. I suppose if you do book surgery at this clinic, you as a patient may have the right to ask for a different surgeon or ask not to be booked with the surgeon with the crossed arms?

For me, I wish I had not seen how their theatre staff behave as it leaves me torn as the clinic employs the best plastic surgeon in my opinion Dr Seo and if he ever changes clinics, I would stalk him to ensure I stay young forever.

If I were the boy's mother I would want to know he did not die so young in vain and that some change for the better has happened because he lived. Maybe korean anaesthetists will now meet and examine their patients before surgery or maybe patients will ask their families if there is any history of heart problems in relatives etc. I don't know what change but it would bring her much comfort to know something positive happened because her son had lived and died in such unfortunate circumstances. It will be harder for her to just accept he died because he was unlucky from an undiagnosed heart condition after witnessing the footage. She would have been comforted had the cctv shown all the staff attend diligently to her dying son. We as a society expect that respect is shown to the patient especially during emergency resuscitation.

I know firsthand how it affects a family when a son dies on the operating table. It tore my family apart when my baby brother died of missed intussusception. My Korean parents separated. My mother mourned, wept, sang hymns, kneeled, prayed and we children just took care of ourselves. We never met with any hospital staff. I watched as my mother was dragged home in the arms of 2 tall Bobby policemen when the news was broken to her in hospital. Our family received no explanation and it was only as a medical student that I requested a death certificate to find out why my brother had died. No apology, no counselling, just silence from the hospital and GP who had failed to diagnose the condition despite numerous visits with a sick baby. Sadly cases like mine still happen in Nhs hospitals where a code of silence keeps families in the dark.

I think a news channel broadcasting the cctv coverage seized by police is a good move and public disclosure is so important as the last thing a grieving family want is to be met with silence and secrecy.

Hopefully an official statement will be announced by the clinic soon.

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Hi @MissOrange ,

This news is deeply shocking to me as I have considered doing rhinoplasty at MVP before. My deepest condolences to the young boy’s family.

May I ask your opinion on how to make sure we don’t die during GA? Aside from having our weight taken to get the proper dose, making sure that the anaesthetist doctor will monitor us for the whole surgery, the Clinic muat have the properti Emergentisme equipment, getting ecg, what else must we remember?

I’m not even sure if the clinic will want to perform ecg test for a young patient like me

August 12, 2018

pssk029 said: ↑

Hey! Thank you for your feedback. I do completely agree with everything you said. However I did mention in my post that these things don't refer to ALL clinics. There is no doubt that all clinics no matter how great their reputation, will have their ups and downs. No surgeon is perfect. Just like medical doctors and surgeons, there will be mistakes here and there. I did mention that all the clinics I mentioned here were all by personal experience whether it be by acquaintance or myself personally. This doesn't mean that the clinic is flawless. As for the payed reviews/promoting, I do agree with what you have said. I should've made it clear however that by mentioning this I meant that those clinics pay extra attention to these clients who will be speaking of their clinic. They will make sure that their results turn out desirable and "perfect" to attract more patients. No clinic would like to promote less than perfect results right? Therefore people shouldn't fully rely on these reviews as they haven't heard the stories of all other patients who aren't paid to post.

As for clinics that are popular within locals promoting as well, it is inevitable. What I meant by my comment was that certain clinics over advertise because they have a bad reputation due to previous behavior and/or results and try to rebrand themselves. (Some even changing their names). Of course, all clinics will want more patients whether they be foreigners or locals. Some just target mostly foreigners due to the previous reason above. After all, everyone wants to make income.

As for eight ps having a botched surgery, as you said no clinic will have been perfect results and from personal experience with an acquaintance, eight ended up doing a very good job. I just want to make this clear for everyone reading this post NO CLINIC WILL BE FLAWLESS. Everyone makes mistakes and so do doctors and surgeons. Even the clinic I went to (Dream) has it's fair share of undesirable results. It is all up to you to decide what clinic. However you id recommend not turning down a clinic just because of one bad review, etc.

Anyhow, thank you for your feedback. I believe what you have posted is something many have to hear and it'll help them a lot! (:

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Hey, I totally agree that people who get a discount to post pics may get much more attention from the surgeon, and so got better results than others who don't get incentive to promote. But I don't know how else we can get B/A pics from real people.

My point is, it is probably not correct to think that clinics who do advertising on PF have bad reputation in Korea. After all, even good ones like Dream promote here. We don't know if they are popular among locals unless we have visited the clinic in person.

Would you know why Opera was blacklisted? I only know that they received corrective action from government because of false advertising. Can't find anything about accidents/deaths/bad reviews for the chief doctors. It'll be great if you can post links to the bad reviews (in korean) here

August 12, 2018

thank you for posting this @pssk029 . the links you provided are very useful.
I would like to say though, I disagree with several things. I don't think we should criticise all people who make a review in exchange for a discount. if we do, it would be very hard to get real before and after pictures in our research. many people are too lazy to post their experiences after surgery unless they got some benefits.

And also, even popular clinics among locals do a lot of promotions on Purseforum. For example, the Dream clinic that you mentioned. No doubt Dream is a popular clinic among locals since they are known to perform surgery on SNSD. there are also many positive reviews about Dream on PF that I believe are genuine. But I still encounter many blatant promoters (probably clinic staff) of Dream on purseforum. they have been called out by other members as promoters on their own thread, and didn't dare to respond anymore. I won't mention any names publicly on this thread as not to violate PF rules, but if anyone here want to know the names of those promoter-members, I can DM you.

The clinics that you recommended mostly have English websites and English-speaking consultants. If they don't need foreign patients, why bother having those?
English-speaking staff is much more expensive to hire than staff who only speak Korean or Chinese.
This is proof that there are hardly any clinics that don't want more patients. After all, there are thousand of clinics in Gangnam, and there isn't that much people who want to get plastic surgery. Cost/religion/social stigma/disapproval from family and friends being the inhibitors. Competition is definitely stiff.

Furthermore, I have personally talked to a PF member on kakao who got a very bad botched job from Eight PS. So it seems selecting a clinic that is popular among locals is no guarantee of satisfactory results.

Having said that, I agree with your recommendation to avoid clinics that primarily target Westerners. not because they are likely to botch people, but they tend to overcharge foreigners. after all, marketing (google ads, SEO, hiring English staff etc) are expensive.

August 12, 2018

I think plastic surgery is a worthwhile investment, but if your goal is being genuinely loved, it's going to take more than a change in appearance.
beautiful people are admired by many, especially by the opposite sex. research has also shown that beautiful people have better opportunities in their career. but usually they have many same-sex members being jealous.
when you get PS and turn gorgeous, you might just find jealous women who try to bully you too. make sure you keep your PS a secret as there is stigma against people who got PS.
honestly, I think it's impossible to make everyone love you. there are always haters, no matter what we do. My advice is, get surgery to open more doors in your life, not to please others

August 5, 2018

widecheekbones said: ↑

Hi Ariette, I've messaged you which clinic I went to in Korea for my zygoma reduction. As for before and after pictures, I'm ideally waiting for majority of my cheeklift swelling to go down first before I post my before zygoma / after zygoma / after cheek lift photos.

And thank you littleboots824 ! The swelling from the cheeklift is massive right now, I can barely recognize myself at the moment. I'm extremely keen to see the swelling go down but one thing I learned from the zygoma reduction is that you really can't judge the final results from facial surgeries until 3 to 6 months later.

My cheeklift surgeon said since my tissues are naturally tighter due to my young age, they wouldn't have a lot of room to be lifted. But a minor lift is what I wanted since the sagging was so minor, so fingers crossed that the results are what I want !

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hi @widecheekbones , please share with me the name of the clinic too if that's okay. I'm also planning to get bone reduction surgery but is concerned about sagging.

August 5, 2018

Loserkid said: ↑

Isn’t missorange just a MVP promoter or something

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no. she is an UK GP who has generously shared a detailed account of her PS experiences. Her thread has helped many people who are looking for reliable info regarding PS.
MissOrange is just trying to share her positive experience. obviously, results may vary between individuals and not all who go to MVP will came out satisfied. that's why it's important to do our own research about the surgeon and consider if his aesthetic sense, credentials, years of experience matched what we are looking for.

July 27, 2018

jacobjarred30 said: ↑

Can you tell me who did not like their result with VIP? I was set on them for surgeries because of the reviews on realself

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Sorry I don't really remember the names of members who posted the bad review... but if you use the advanced search function on the top right of PF with the keyword "VIP", it will show you many reviews about this clinic. Quite a few posted unsatisfactory experiences

July 27, 2018

I suggest you look at @MissOrange's review. She has kindly shared her experiences of fat graft at both DA and MVP. If I remember correctly, her fat graft result with DA didn't last long. @motherhen also had fat graft at Aone and she mentioned that her results didn't last that long too.
Here is a thread about Fresh https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=# I hope these resources can help you make an imformed decision

July 26, 2018

Actually almost nobody will want to post a detailed diary of their post-op up until months/years unless they got a discount. But I still think these promotional reviews at Soyoung and Babitalk are useful to gauge the doctor's aesthetic style. Many Soyoung reviews also post videos, so it can help people look at results that aren't heavily photoshopped

July 26, 2018

Chloe kang said: ↑

Recently, I am watching an interesting program called <let me in>. It’s from Thailand. And it’s a kind of program that makes girls become beautiful by plastic surgery. And I am very curious about where the girls got the surgeries. Did they get the surgeries in Korea? Hope you guys can share some information here.
Thank you~!

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I think it thai surgeons operated on the Thai let me in. Korean surgeons perform on the Korean let me in.

I've just finished watching several episodes. Totally speechless about Noppajit Monlin's results

July 26, 2018

If I were you, I would compare technique and prices first before making a decision. And maybe collect more info about the doctors who will perform your surgery.

There are quite a few people that has posted their experience here on pf about those clinics you mentioned. Their review might help

July 24, 2018

Theshortone said: ↑

can you DM me your wechat or LINE? i'll send you some pictures

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Hi @Theshortone , could you please share with me too? I'll DM you my line id

July 22, 2018

VIP charges very high prices but quite a few are unsatisfied by their result there. Idk about china, does chinese surgeons speak English or hire english translators?

July 21, 2018

hh_kr22 said: ↑

Also, I do understand how it looks from your point of view and therefore I wanna clarify a few things even further,
I did put it in a weird way in my first post about how I can show people around etc, Or I can at least see how the things I wrote can be read wrongly. I didn't mean it as that and I'm def not promoting any clinics. I just wanted to be nice, help out as much as I could and also meet new people. I guess it's not very common to be nice these days huh? But I understand how it looks like and therefore I AM NOT GONNA MEET UP WITH ANYONE. I don't know how to edit my first post but from now on, don't msg me for that.
I WILL NOT HELP YOU OUT WITH KOREAN RELATED STUFF, I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING CLINICS and lastly, I simpy just created this thread to share my experience with docfinder, NOT promote any other clinic. Don't get it twisted.

I hope any misunderstanding is solved now
Be nicer next time. I would have appreciated it so much more if you had DMed me first asking me what I'm really doing (if it felt ''sketchy to you'') before you wrote anything accusing me of things that aren't true.

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@hh_kr22 , thank you for taking your time warning us of Docfinder. Even though veterans of this forum have often been warned of docfinder before, I'm sure many newbies are helped by your post.

Please do not take to heart accusations of being a promoter. Maybe the accuser is just tired of seeing fake reviews and thus immediately being suspicious of others. I hope you won't mind if others messaged you to ask questions, since many of us here are clueless about korean clinics

July 21, 2018

phoebebuffey said: ↑

Power V Lift: http://www.tlplasticsurgery.com/non-incisional-lifting/v-line-lifting/power-v-lift/

Has anyone received this treatment from TLPS, or gotten surgery from TLPS?

I have a very round face with sagging cheeks and fat under my chin, and this seems ideal - rather than a v-line surgery where they'd remove bone/muscle BUT I'd be left with sagging skin or fat.

I'm having a really hard time finding reviews of people who've been to TLPS or gotten this surgery done so any insight would be soooo helpful. It's hard for me to figure out "legit" clinics because there's so much marketing materials.

Thank you!

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I remember K couture mentioned that Power V is a gimmick... personally I'm also skeptical of this procedure

TL isn't "blacklisted" as in having deaths, but many people on PF have reported botched jobs. I also read that there was a fire accident once on TL, but I forgot whose post mentioned it, sorry.

July 16, 2018

Hi, I think philtrum reduction and fg can definitely help. I recommend you look at @MissOrange's before after pictures of her bullhorn lip lift.

July 16, 2018

Hi, does anyone here have any info about Eight PS? I have seen this clinic mentioned several times on PF. someone mentioned they are popular among locals, but then one member posted that everyone she knows who went to Eight PS got a revision? She is no longer active so I have no idea how reliable this is.

If anybody knows something about Eight ps, please share!

July 15, 2018

leedawon said: ↑

I joined Babitalk without a Korean phone number! If you'd like, I'm totally comfortable with inboxing you my ID & password for I've shared it with few other girls here ^^

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Hi @leedawon , please share with me as well if you don't mind. Thank you

July 14, 2018

I guess I'll be relying on mask and sunglasses when going out lol

From what I know, recovery period for BA is indeed longer, especially if implant is placed under the muscle.

Beware of "Real Story/Real Diary" type of reviews especially on SoYoung

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My Surgery Experience in Opera Plastic Surgery

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