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May 10, 2020

chanelsaint said: ↑

Thank you and Yw! I think there are 1-2 options in Toronto that Ethnic people talk about but I can't recall- I think one doctor is good at doing middle eastern noses and some types of ethnic noses with short nasal bones- but I don't know of the track record of Toronto doctors, you could also virtually consult with doctors in the US to get a vibe before you decide on Korea. If it's primary, you may be ok going to korea if you want something simple like silicone and alars. Look around closer to home first though and in the US even if you're set on Korea because you'll get a more thorough examination and they might have some additional insight for you regarding your nose. Explore ALLLL of your options and cast a wide net, and never settle for less.

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I've been researching the ones in Toronto and they probably have less experience with asian noses than the junior surgeons in SK! I'll see if US has any - price may play a huge factor as well so I'll need to look around. I've reached out to Dr Jin and he mentioned:
"Tip refinement will be done probably by cephalic resection, sutures, tip onlay grafts, and septal extension graft if necessary.

Dorsum augmentation can be done with two options.
1. augmentation with rib cartilage prn) diced cartilage in fascia
2. combination of thin septal/conchal/rib cartilage and temporalis fascia
Deviation correction needs septoplasty, spreader grafts and osteotomies if necessary."

Do you have any insights regarding either option? Surprisingly when I reached out to TOP CLASS PS, they said that my alars were not wide enough and they recommended against an alarplasty and to just increase my bridge with silicone to make the alar width shorter.

May 10, 2020

Flnxo said: ↑

I enquired with Docfinder too and they tend to only recommend those four clinics, I’ve read on some threads that they’re affiliated with those four.

An osteotomy requires shaving of the nasal bones (If I’m not mistaken). I think they recommended that to me too, but I did not want my bones shaved or an overly thin bridge.

When it comes to silicone vs cartliladge, I assume this is for the bridge. You’ll find that a lot of the clinics recommend silicone for primary rhinoplasty.

For me personally, I’ve been reading that silicone may require revision Long term. Which is why I’m opting for autogulous material. Although, for a small percentage of people out there they may not require revision. It’s definitely personal preference so please research and consult with different clinics

What results were you after? Ie natural, dolly?

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Hi! Yeah after reading up a ton about DocFinder and them increasing the prices too, I decided that it would be best for me to reach out to clinics directly! I reached out to Dr Jin for a quote and recommendation and he said,
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Tip refinement will be done probably by cephalic resection, sutures, tip onlay grafts, and septal extension graft if necessary.

Dorsum augmentation can be done with two options.

1. augmentation with rib cartilage prn) diced cartilage in fascia

2. combination of thin septal/conchal/rib cartilage and temporalis fascia

Deviation correction needs septoplasty, spreader grafts and osteotomies if necessary."

When you mentioned autogulous material - are you referring to 1 of the 2 options above?

I'm going for a natural look! Based on the images that I sent to Dr Jin he said that I have
"You have a low bridge and slightly bubous tip and wide alar base. You also have a deviated nose from the frontal view. Your tip is also slightly upturned."

It's all true but slightly hurts to hear haha. I've also reached out to TOP CLASS and they said,
"Rib cartilage on the nose bridge is not always possible actually.
As you already know, there is pros and cons to every material.
Normally, that is too heavy and hard to make a ideal shape of nose, sometimes it disappear depends on patient's nose case.
So, using rib cartilage on the nose bridge should check your nose condition firstly and then decide will be better for your surgery result.
2 weeks staying in Korea is a good choice for rhinoplasty.
You will consult again in the clinic for more details too.
That will be wise to compare each other and give the right advice to fit your case too.
Based on your photos, your alar is not wide and not much big holes that you have.
So we can recommend making a higher nose tip to make it better shape and make the alar width shorter together."

Now I'm confused as to why they said that my alar is not wide enough as I sent to them the exact same images that I sent to Dr Jin.

May 10, 2020

tvxqgirl said: ↑

Hi dearie, I just found your thread. My results are really conservative (which is what I asked for), but I did do osteotomy, tip plasty, and alar plasty. I'm also Southeast Asian. My nose prior to surgery was wide and bulbous, and although I was happy with my nose height, my bones between my eyes were wide. I did my surgery at JW Beauty with Dr Suh in 2015, and it was my first time ever in Korea and also my first elective surgery ever so I was so so so scared but I told myself that I saved for this and I really hated my nose then. Please remember that I did my nose job in 2015 so the information/situation may be different now.

2) Touch-ups/maintenance for nose surgery - I didn't have any silicone implant or donated dermis/rib so I didn't do any touch-ups/reoperation/revision. For me, all the surgeons I consulted then told me I should also do bridge plasty to add about 1mm-2mm or so in height for the bridge. Back in 2015, I didn't know of "dolly noses" and I think the ideal nose back then was straight and sharp, at least to me that was the ideal. But I didn't want to do bridge plasty because I already had a decent bridge height and I felt like 1mm-2mm was such a minuscle change that I didn't want to risk putting anything foreign in my body like silicone. Of course at that time I'd also heard of rib but since I was a student then and self-paying i couldn't afford the damn rib (donated or my own) to build up the bridge lol. So I told the surgeon forget the bridgeplasty and I remember him asking me, puzzled, "Why not?" haha.

But I don't think re-surgeries/touch-up/maintenance for rhinoplasty should be happening unless you have an infection with the silicone. From what I recall from consultations with surgeons, actual silicone rejection/infection by the body is a rare side effect. Donated dermis/rib is supposed to reduce the likelihood of any rejection/infection, but the problem with using autologous materials (I think, i did my research quite a while back so i'm rusty with nose jobs) is actually with the absorption. I believe not everything will be absorbed on the primary (i.e. first) rhinoplasty but the degree to which absorption happens and whether the absorption rate can be predicted - that's what I don't know about. So basically my nose job was a "one-and-done" deal with the clinic - I just did it and didn't have any follow-up with them or any other doctor after that trip to Korea ended.

3) Osteotomy - As earlier mentioned I did an osteotomy to "push in" the bones between my eyes, to make it a bit narrower. I knew for sure that I needed this because I had a wide nose and wasn't gonna do the bridgeplasty. All I can say is the bruising around the whole area was pretty bad, understandable because its bones. But right now (5 years later) I have no problems with touching those bones or wearing spectacles. But I didn't wear glasses or go swimming for almost half a year - a year after surgery.

You can click on my post history, I think its visible to see, what I wrote about my nose job experience and there are many posts in this forum about nose jobs. Bear in mind that I'm in no way recommending JW. I didn't receive any discounts from them, and also my surgeries were in 2015. JW's reputation might have changed from that time.

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience! 1mm-2mm is so minuscule I definitely would have left that alone. I'm looking into Dr Jin as I've been reading that he specializes in rib rhinoplasty and this is what he recommended to me:
"Tip refinement will be done probably by cephalic resection, sutures, tip onlay grafts, and septal extension graft if necessary.

Dorsum augmentation can be done with two options.

1. augmentation with rib cartilage prn) diced cartilage in fascia

2. combination of thin septal/conchal/rib cartilage and temporalis fascia

Deviation correction needs septoplasty, spreader grafts and osteotomies if necessary."

I'm definitely going for a more natural look so I'd rather have a straight vs dolly nose and heard that Dr Jin is very conservative so he won't do anything too drastic.

Read your post - so scary that you woke up during the end of the surgery! But thank you so much for sharing!

May 6, 2020

chanelsaint said: ↑

Ok so I photos of result of Dr. Jin and she was unhappy, I too agree that the result was unsatisfactory, I think you should consult with Dr. Jin because he has good information, BUT- although most of his patients are happy, please also keep in mind that he has unhappy patients, I was surprised he did someone's nose and the nose was uneven (i think because of the nostrils looking incorrect which was the complaint, and yes she will need a revision to fix it). He also told me some things that would be difficult for him for my case (nostrils), and his vibe was just sort of unhumble but not in a bad way, I thought it was entertaining, but anyway I took all of that as a red flag that he couldn't give me all of what I wanted. Still consult with him but keep in mind that he may not be able to give all of what you want if it's not primary. If it's a primary I think his price is high and he doesn't do tipwork like that- he's conservative and the people I've seen going to him have a very minimal difference tbh unless it was like a severe contracture or infection case. Autologous options: Dr Jin is a safe option (cash only though and he is overworked for his age)- I believe if you unhappy he will give you revision and that he is ethical, but the patient I was referring to above is yet to have her case resolved/surery date set, Dr. Kim at Eightps because I know he is ethical and he's closer to his 30s so he knows what looks hot- he's a locals dr and chinese girls go there, and Dr. Im at VG (Dr. Im is sort of high but he has a lot of experience so you can use me as ur referral if u do f2f and want the price to go down). Try SURES and JAYJUN as well- I think their doctors are good- the doctor at SURES is sweet/nice. Dr. Cho at KoKo is very good but you have to bring a translator, the price is high lol but he knows what he is doing- my only issue with him is that the staff don't speak english, if you have a local friend or referral you can get a lowered price. Jin is definitely not your only option. All have their own clinic except for Jayjun which is probably a pimp clinic like the rest of them that aren't owned by the doctors, but the doctor is sweet, so you can put that one last on your list for ****s and giggles. There's one clinic I don't think you should go to and that's a big building with multiple floors- I forgot the name of it but I know the pimps own it and they pimp out the doctors and park lambos outside, and may have paid someone's family off after a patient death during surgery- it's in apgujeong. Hope that helps!

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Thank you so much for sharing, I've been looking into rhino + alarplasty in SK as well so this is extremely helpful. I'm of southeast asian descent so it's extremely hard to find someone local (toronto - unless you know of anyone as well, as I haven't been able to find one with a good track record for southeast asian features) I'm so sorry that you have to go through this headache and am extremely appreciative that you're taking the time and effort to stand up for yourself and against these unethical clinics. Looking forward to your updates and wishing you well.

May 3, 2020

Hi everyone,

I'm thinking about going to South Korea to get a rhinoplasty (slight bridge height increase & an alar reduction) and would love to hear your experiences with the different clinics and see some before + after pictures if you would be so kind as to share! (you can send via DM)

Another question that I have is regarding follow-ups/touch-ups - I was speaking to a friend and she said that according to her friend in Korea who has gotten a rhinoplasty, rhinoplasties are one of those surgeries that requires a lot of maintenance and "must do retouches every few years". Wondering if any of you who have gotten a rhinoplasty are aware of this? Did your surgeon discuss this with you? And if you have done it in a foreign country - how are you planning to "maintain" the touch-ups? Are you planning to go back to that country to see the surgeon/ do you have virtual calls for them to inspect?

My biggest concern right now is the maintenance every few years post-op. I'm based in Toronto and don't know if it's feasible to be travelling to Korea every few years for these touch-ups and being of a southeast Asian descent, I would trust the surgeons in Korea to give me a better shape and help me achieve my desired look (natural, slight bridge height increase and alar reduction) with their expertise and experience more than the surgeons here in Toronto (even though the aftercare and maintenance would be easier to coordinate).

Lastly - I originally wanted to use a medical tourism group - DocFinder however after reading many informative posts from all of you here and in PurseForum, I have decided to reach out to clinics directly with the help of my Korean friends. When I reached out to DocFinder in the past, I was recommended to Cinderella, Banobagi, ID Hospital and JK and was recommended to get an osteotomy ontop of the alar reduction to reduce the nose bridge width to get a more "feminine appearance" lol. Has anyone done an osteotomy? What are your experiences with that? I was just thinking that a silicone/cartilage insert to help with the height is sufficient enough but let me know which you chose as well re: silicone/cartilage - would love your input!

This was a lengthy post, thank you so much for taking the time to read it and I am extremely appreciative of any advice that you have to offer!

May 3, 2020

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