In South Korea, PS journey: FC and DES and Nose Filler and.... Undereyes?

[touni27]

superrrbee said: ↑

wow, they quoted me 10mil won for V-line ( square jaw and Chin ) . How did you get a consultation date? and how long after consultation can you have surgery? because i only have 2 weeks to stay in korea so i have to stick to the times.

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Yeah that sounds right, that's their local price slightly discounted too. Mine was a bit more haha because of fat grafting. Getting consultation date was hard. They were super booked. It took me two weeks from making the appointment to actual consultation. But the surgery he luckily had one slot next day so I was able to do it the next day, other wise I would have had to wait another week. If u only have two weeks u should book everything before coming because the good plastic surgeons that are popular locally in Korea all get booked way ahead of time.

 

[touni27]

blackswanblues said: ↑

THank you so much for the detailed review! I'm considering Gyalumhan for my own FC when I go in december. can I ask which clinic you got your moles removed at? Did they have you wear patches where the moles were and were you ok to go into surgery with the patches on?

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Hey!

I got my mole removed at Suan skin clinic! I'm still seeing some like pigmentation where my mole was but I think they did a good job taking it out. Time will tell!

Gyalumhan is great, I highly recommend,

their post op care for me has been phenomenal. I was pretty touched by it. I'm one of those rare patients that actually swell up abnormally A lot ALOT, and bruise more. People 1 day post op there looked way better then me 5 days post op. Left side especially swole up to a balloon compared to my right. The doctor promised he would take it upon himself to bring down the swelling before I had to leave for the US.

I went for daily checkups where they did regular deswelling treatments but when that didn't work as effectively he decided to do a draining procedure. I did two so far and it did wonders for my left side swelling And broughtdown a lot to where now it's almost even to my right. I still have another check up tomorow where he will see how my progress is. And hopefully one more draining procedure and it'll be good enough!

So I was definitly very impressed by their detailed post op care. I can trust that if there's an infection or complications which always can arise they won't leave me to the side lol

 

[touni27]

I also want to add that gyalumhan was the only clinic I've experienced so far that when u pay and sign for surgery they will tell u up front the complications that u may face and that the clinic itself will take full responsibility for it.

So she listed out and said out loud
In case of death, the clinic takes full responsibility
In case of infection, complications, clinic takes full responsibility
Asymmetry clinic takes full responsibility
Etc

Usually with clinics u sign to protect the clinic and ur signing stating that u understand the risks and will still go into surgery knowing things can happen and it's not fully the clinics responsibility.

 

[touni27]

blackswanblues said: ↑

THank you so much for the detailed review! I'm considering Gyalumhan for my own FC when I go in december. can I ask which clinic you got your moles removed at? Did they have you wear patches where the moles were and were you ok to go into surgery with the patches on?

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I wore the patches yes!! They remove it for u before surgery after sedation!

 

[touni27]

I kind of added my updates in the replies but I'll still write a short version!

So I have had A LOT of swelling . I'm the lucky few cases that have unusual swelling like a real balloon and my left side swole up like ... I don't know what's bigger then a balloon.

They did post op care treatment like I mentioned above and now my swelling is a lot better and a lot more even. Im seeing the doctor again tomorrow! Hopefully it'll go down even more!!

I've been gargling a lot and taking all the necessary meds. I can't wait until I can put on makeup.

I'm feeling a bit shy about photos but will do the blur out thing when I can! What apps do u guys usually use to do quick edits like that?

Thanks!!

 

[superrrbee]

touni27 said: ↑

Yeah that sounds right, that's their local price slightly discounted too. Mine was a bit more haha because of fat grafting. Getting consultation date was hard. They were super booked. It took me two weeks from making the appointment to actual consultation. But the surgery he luckily had one slot next day so I was able to do it the next day, other wise I would have had to wait another week. If u only have two weeks u should book everything before coming because the good plastic surgeons that are popular locally in Korea all get booked way ahead of time.

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touni27 said: ↑

I kind of added my updates in the replies but I'll still write a short version!

So I have had A LOT of swelling . I'm the lucky few cases that have unusual swelling like a real balloon and my left side swole up like ... I don't know what's bigger then a balloon.

They did post op care treatment like I mentioned above and now my swelling is a lot better and a lot more even. Im seeing the doctor again tomorrow! Hopefully it'll go down even more!!

I've been gargling a lot and taking all the necessary meds. I can't wait until I can put on makeup.

I'm feeling a bit shy about photos but will do the blur out thing when I can! What apps do u guys usually use to do quick edits like that?

Thanks!!

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thanks for your quick reply If i

touni27 said: ↑

Yeah that sounds right, that's their local price slightly discounted too. Mine was a bit more haha because of fat grafting. Getting consultation date was hard. They were super booked. It took me two weeks from making the appointment to actual consultation. But the surgery he luckily had one slot next day so I was able to do it the next day, other wise I would have had to wait another week. If u only have two weeks u should book everything before coming because the good plastic surgeons that are popular locally in Korea all get booked way ahead of time.

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[superrrbee]

touni27 said: ↑

Yeah that sounds right, that's their local price slightly discounted too. Mine was a bit more haha because of fat grafting. Getting consultation date was hard. They were super booked. It took me two weeks from making the appointment to actual consultation. But the surgery he luckily had one slot next day so I was able to do it the next day, other wise I would have had to wait another week. If u only have two weeks u should book everything before coming because the good plastic surgeons that are popular locally in Korea all get booked way ahead of time.

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thank

touni27 said: ↑

Yeah that sounds right, that's their local price slightly discounted too. Mine was a bit more haha because of fat grafting. Getting consultation date was hard. They were super booked. It took me two weeks from making the appointment to actual consultation. But the surgery he luckily had one slot next day so I was able to do it the next day, other wise I would have had to wait another week. If u only have two weeks u should book everything before coming because the good plastic surgeons that are popular locally in Korea all get booked way ahead of time.

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thank you for your speedy response i have few questions
1.Do you have to pay in advance to book a consultation date?
2. Can you share some tipp to get a best deal while having consultation? like negotiation tipp
3. Is it possible to nego from 10mil to 7mil :v

 

[kiwimuffin]

touni27 said: ↑

I kind of added my updates in the replies but I'll still write a short version!

So I have had A LOT of swelling . I'm the lucky few cases that have unusual swelling like a real balloon and my left side swole up like ... I don't know what's bigger then a balloon.

They did post op care treatment like I mentioned above and now my swelling is a lot better and a lot more even. Im seeing the doctor again tomorrow! Hopefully it'll go down even more!!

I've been gargling a lot and taking all the necessary meds. I can't wait until I can put on makeup.

I'm feeling a bit shy about photos but will do the blur out thing when I can! What apps do u guys usually use to do quick edits like that?

Thanks!!

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You can use app called meitu to blur

 

[whitneyle]

touni27 said: ↑

Hey guysss

I'm quite jetlagged so I decided to write about my PS journey so far~
This is my FOURTH des ( I have very bad eye surgeries becaue of my lack of research and I didn't pick my doctor thoroughly) I'm Korean so I've been researching a lot on Korean sites. Korean anti surgery cafes, and Korean daum cafes, Korean vloggers, Korean apps (only through forums though that don't use the full clinic names because of brokers. Koreans use a "special" way of writing for the Plastic surgery places where they only use certain symbols so that it's hard to advertise and you would only know that clinic if you knew the name of it. )
korea anti surgery cafes are honestly the best place to research I find. These places might not be as known to foreigners so you guys might have never heard of them, but I honestly prefer plastic surgery centers that cater more towards locals (Koreans) then to foreigners because if they do well locally through word of mouth, they don't have to market heavily on foreigners. I trust that a bit more as word of mouth travels fast in korea. I did research a TON on non Korean websites as well but I felt that a lot of it was limited to the clinics that heavily market towards foreigners.

I'm looking to have DES, FC, and Nose filler, and maybe soething for my undereyes to get rid of puffiness.
I've so far consulted with DES, and FC.

DES:
JJ Plastic Surgery
Doctor has 20 years of experience and he's got a korean youtube channel where he thoroughly explains through re surgical DES and seems to be much more detail oriented and has done a lot of cases of resurgery. he's also the doctor in let me in Thailand.
He was nice and the time he took with me was average I would say. He said I needed : (i'm going to try to describe this in English as best as I can since I only know the Korean terms)

Epicanthropy in the Upper Front (this is different from strict frontal epicanthropy) This epicanthropy opens up your eyes in the upper front in 45 degrees and pulls your tearduct direction up if that makes sense. This is different from taking the Mongolian fold in front away.

Back Epicanthropy (not sure the English term) this is where you make your eyes longer in the back

Bottom epicanthropy (not sure the English term) this is where you make the bottom lids lowered

Ptosis Correction (redo)

Double lid surgery (redo)

He only recommended me ptosis correction in the front upper part of my eyes after I asked him for it. TBH this is the part that I wanted the most and didn't like the most. I felt like to him it was okay, and was more of an after thought.

I liked that there was warranty for five years
Total: 520
Asked for model discount
500
Warranty: 5 years

LEE HEE MOON Plastic surgery
Skilled doctor has only done eye surgery for 20 years. He's known in south korea for being very good at revision surgeries.
his specialty is ptosis correction. He invented ptosis correction that is used widely in South Korea
Consultation was nice. He took time with me and was patient with my questions. He didn't recommend any form of epicanthropy. he just recommended ptosis correction in the front.
He shows slideshows of his before and after with a similar case as mine. He uses old slides to prove he doesn't do photoshop like so many ps centers do.
price for JUST ptosis correction and duobleyelid surgery re do.

The only thing about this doctor is that he's got a pretty bad rep on the web because he doesn't take responsibility when something goes wrong (no doctor can avoid complications ever, it's really what they do post surgery if you do get complications that honestly really really really matters). it seems like for him the surgeries either goes REALLY WELL like holy **** how did he fix that or...… the few that goes bad goes pretty bad and it seems like he doesn't take responsibility. WIth that said though He has done many many many great surgeries, but I know that for me I really need good post op care.

PRINCING: 680
I noticed that she asked if I searched for pricing first. I told her no (which was not true I have had researched his pricing)
There is a youtube video of him saying how much is pricing is as well. I think me saying no made her feel like it gave her the opportunity to increase the price by a lot
Lee Hee Moon is normally more expensive even to the locals but he is usually 500
680 was pretty high for me and I felt that the consultant wasn't very.... sincere
warranty was only for a year too and I had to actually text through kakaotalk and ask.


Glovi Plastic Surgery
Decided to consult with the Doctor there who only did eye surgeries.
Doctor was very very very very very nice.
He knew exactly what I needed for my eyes. He right away pointed out the front upper part of my eyes was too low which I felt the same. He looked at the asymmetry of my lids and asked me what type of lid design I would like. I told him I like big lids and I wanted to get a parallel lid. He lifted up my left eyelid and asked if this is what i wanted. And I agreed. He told me it's not far off from the line that I have now and he thinks it would look good. He pulled the back of my eyes and said I have no room for back epicanthropy and it would lead to complications if I choose to get them but he can perform bottom epicanthropy since my eyes were angled pretty high up. He said my eyes are pretty asymmetrical and he cant' make them perfectly symmetrical but it would be a lot better then what I have now. I appreciated this as it was honest. out of all the doctors he was the most detailed and wrote down the most amount of notes.
I asked for upper front epicanthropy and he said he thinks he can correct what I felt was a low upper front eye with just ptosis but if I really want it he can perfom it. I told him I really wanted it XD so I pushed to get it. He answered all my questions!

Consultant: She was really really really nice as well. I told her that theres plastic surgery places that up their price when they find out that i'm from overseas and she said that that felt stupid and unfair and she said as I'm consulting FC if I feel like any place was doing that to me I can kakao message her and ask if the pricing that they were giving was fair or not. She also told me that if there's something wrong with the eyelid surgery while i stay here for the month I can always feel free to come back and get it corrected. and even after i leave for the states even after i'm gonen for a full year i can come back and get it redone as the warranty is for three years. I thought this was really nice. I told her I wanted to get my moles removed and she gave me a recommendation of a clinic she used to work in and told me that if I say she sent me there they will give me a discount (which they did ^^ and I got my moles removed, so far it seems like it turned out well)

Total: 420
for:
Ptosis correction
double eyelid resurgery
upper front epicanthropy
and lower epicanthropy


with 3 years of warranty
I chose this place because the doctor felt more detailed and he also knew exactly what I wanted and what I felt was wrong with my eyes before I had to tell him.


FC

Now I've done so much extensive research with FC that I pretty much knew which clinics I wanted to visit.
There really was only two:
Gyalumhan and Madeyoung

I still haven't been able to consult with Gyalum yet which is kind of meh, but I pretty much underestimated how busy these clinics are.

I did consult with Madeyoung though
By far the best looking clinic I've seen out of all I've been so far. Very VERY well designed and clean.
The consultant SHES SO NICE OMG
SHES LIKE THE BEST. I feel really bad because I was late in my consultant and.... I missed another appointment T_T but she was still really nice and understanding.

Doctor:
So freaking friendly.
I"ve never met a doctor whose so friendly. He's very nice and feels seriously like he's your oppa.
he took the LONGEST time with me. he explaind every little thing and was very honest about sagging.
He is VERY knowledgeable in the fact that not everyone wants the Korean doll face, chop off everything, make me super skinny pointy Vline.
He said if I wanted to keep my cheekbones then he would do less SHaving on the jaw as it would cause imbalance.
he said he always leaves a little bit of an angle because if he shaves the whole thing you look like you have a dog's jaw.

He also explained very thoroughly of how cheekbone skin sagging works.
and he said no matter what you can't avoid skin sagging. it's really about where the sagging occurs.
If you push in the side cheekbones then your skin on the sides will sag. BUT if you have a gaunt face the sagging wont be noticeable to normal eyes as it will fill the hollows of your cheeks.
If you push in the 45 degree too much then you get the sagging that everyone is afraid of. the nasalaboid fold swollen looking skin sag. He recommended me that if I really want cheekbone surgery and im most afraid of skin sagging, to only do the side ones (This is different from quick zygoma btw)
but he also was very honest and told me that if I had a twin sister that I would still age faster then she would.
I have to weigh the benefits of looking prettier now vs getting older later. (ofcourse there's lifting options that I can do but he said this is something I need to really think about and decide on)
But he said there's no way I will look like a grandma if I do the zygoma surgery this way.
He also includes lifting and fat removal as well in the procedure

He always shows CT after procedure.
and I have to say it's the cleanest looking CT before and after I've seen comparatively. He is really skilled at bracing those cheekbones. it looks clean af.

VLINE
we took a good look at the nerve line.
and he showed me how he can cut the bones and design it
I asked about the skin sag on the bottom jaw that I see here on purse sometimes
he performs lifting in order to prevent it but he said that the amount of skin bunch that happens depends on how far your chin is from your neck and also what type of jaw you have. So if you have like super super super super v line and very very very very short chin to neck length and have never done vline you would still get that skin bunch when you crane your neck because as you can imagine theres just not that much space.
So my doctor has a natural vline. he showed me that the difference between square jaw people and vline people (naturally) for Asians is that if you have a square jaw you don't notice the scrunch skin as much as you do when you don't have a square jaw. He showed me how when he sits straight and he cranes his neck a little bit (he has a natural vline, this doctor is young and he's a good looking doctorlol) you can see the skin more whereas when I do it because my jaw is so much bigger it doesn't happen at all, so that is something that I should keep in mind but you don'tnotice it until you try and look for it.
This is different from sagging without lifting. That's extra skin that you gotta get rid of through lifting procedure which he does with vline.



I"m having a second consultation with the doctor ( it was supposed to be today.. but I missed it >.<)
because I still have questions, but he took a lot of time with me.

My consultation with gyalum is at 11/04
it's pretty late...

I hope to write about it too
the only thing I am iffy about gyalum is that they do thread lifting after Vline instead of real lifting.

My des is scheduled for 11-05
and my FC is scheduled for 11-07 with madeyoung and will cancel if I like gylaum consult better.
I have an IWELL FC consultation tomorrow and I will write about it here!

THanks guys!! I will keep updating

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Hi,
Thank you so much for your detail review. I'm so happy for you that you're finally happy with your eyes after 4 revisions, which made me very interested in Glovi Plastic Surgery for my DES, but I'm also looking to have a rhinoplasty revision and prefer to get it done at the same clinic. Do you happen to know if Glovi good at rhinoplasty?
Thanks.

 

[touni27]

Updates!!

Hey guys! Thanks for the replies!
I got drained again today and my swelling has gone down quite significantly from where it was! I still have a long way to go though! Here's photos of FC!!
First day!

 

[touni27]

Before FC:

 

[touni27]

Days 2-9 post op

 

[touni27]

whitneyle said: ↑

Hi,
Thank you so much for your detail review. I'm so happy for you that you're finally happy with your eyes after 4 revisions, which made me very interested in Glovi Plastic Surgery for my DES, but I'm also looking to have a rhinoplasty revision and prefer to get it done at the same clinic. Do you happen to know if Glovi good at rhinoplasty?
Thanks.

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Hey!
I do know they have rhinoplasty but that's about it. I haven't researched into rhinoplasty with glovi so I can't say for sure if they are amazing or not. A traveling purseforum buddy got her DES and rhinoplasty just a couple days ago at gyalumhan because gyalumhans rhino is super natural and they don't use silicon, I can ask her how she's doing with it.

If your eyes are not revision or too difficult I would research into rhino first and then eyes second since rhino is a bit more difficult then eyes. For me, I had very difficult eyes and the glovi surgeon really was amazing.

I really don't know anything about their rhino tho so I can't vouch for their rhino.
Their eyes are freaking amazing tho, I can def vouch for that.

 

[touni27]

superrrbee said: ↑

thank

thank you for your speedy response i have few questions
1.Do you have to pay in advance to book a consultation date?

Not all PS centers. Gyalumhan has 20,000 (roughly $18) for consultation for FC. Most PS centers don't have consultation fees so I was surprised . I asked another clinic if this was normal and they said it's not normal but if they have a lot of consultations then they do charge sometimes for the CT scan. So I was totally okay with it. You pay when you get there.



2. Can you share some tipp to get a best deal while having consultation? like negotiation tipp

Tbh, I don't haggle too much and I wouldn't haggle too much either. My tip would be they usually give discount for multiple procedures and also they do have before and after discount. Booking surgery right after consultation also adds another discount. but with that said I wouldn't try to haggle too much. It's not necessarily a good thing. I know there seem to be a lot of conception that haggling is always good. I think you should only haggle down when the clinics are giving you a price above the local price. If a clinic is being honest and isn't doing that to you, you shouldn't try to haggle that much. Like i wouldn't try to hack them way down. I've watched a YouTube video of a Korean plastic surgeon talking about this recently. If the clinic is being honest with you and giving you local price (honest clinics will have their pricing written everywhere online) and the patient haggled it down to a lot and the doctor knows his skill is worth more ... The doctor could feel cheated. I had a personal experience with this with my second revision DES where my mother haggled down my procedure so much that my doctor pretty much rushed through my procedure and I ended up with two different eyes. Not saying all doctors will perform like that but I would want my doctor to try his best and if u haggle too much it does affect their attitude towards you. This is my 2 cents it might not necessarily apply to every doctor but doctors are humans too and if they are used to performing the surgery with X amount of dollars and it gets haggled way down for another patient , it doesn't give a good feeling. This is different from clinics who price u way higher cuz ur a foreigner btw. I don't really trust those clinics anyway tho...
3. Is it possible to nego from 10mil to 7mil :v

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Try to see if u can do before after photo
Or review
But other then that, I wouldnt try too hard. Gyalum is very honest with their pricing, even Korean vloggers that go there get exact same pricing unless ur doing a full modeling review . I would say for clinics that try to price u way higher as a foreigner you should try to haggle a lot. But not the best idea imo if trying to haggle down more then local price.

 

[blackswanblues]

Do you happen to know if Gyalumhan has an English translator or would I have to bring my own?