asian nose job 2

[leepm]

Hello everyone,

I'm a Korean-American male living in Korea. I have what they call a maverick nose with a dev sept.

I have visited VIP and Banobagi for consultation. VIP's Dr Lee recommended osteotomy, tiplasty and nasal augmentation (which I think isn't necessary since I haven't heard about people doing it) using septal cartil + ear OR rib. Banobagi's Dr Lee recommended the same using septal cartil + ear without the nasal augmentation, but he noted he could only shave the bone in a straight line instead of curving it outward a liiiiiiiittle bit (which I kinda want). He said if he curves it a little bit, there will be too much skin left, so he needs the bridge area to be a straight line so that the skin fits around the nose nicely. I've never heard of this, but okay...

Anyways, my next visit will be with Dr Jung at Shimmian. I am hoping he is the one since his clinic only specializes on noses and eyelids. That has to count for something, right? (I hope so, could be wrong).

But I've also found on Migo Clinic's website that Dr Euntaek Kang has a master's thesis on osteotomy and deviated noses. Their clinic looks a little fancy (from the pictures) but yeah...I don't know (shrug).

My hopeful op date is Jan 10 2012 so I am frantically researching last minute (I found out my vacation time recently, so it's almost like now or never in terms of time- and happiness?).

For people who have experience with Shimmian (especially males) or Migo, what did you think?

 

[leepm]

izora said: ↑

After much research over two years, I finally decided to go to Korea for my revision rhinoplasty this summer. I've consulted with doctors in the U.S., Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, and India. Some of the doctors in India seem really good, but their email responses are rather short.

I still haven't decided on the doctor yet, but I do know that I want to get it done in Korea. That is where I got my first rhinoplasty when I was 14 (a long time ago). I was too young, and I don't think my nose was finished growing. The doctor used silicone to augment my bridge and ear cartilage for the tip (closed approach). The results weren't bad, but he was conservative because of my age. The silicone has negatively changed my nose over the years. It's not the doctor's fault that silicone sucks, and there weren't many options back then. Thankfully I never had any complications, but it has made my nose short and saddle shaped with an upturned tip. I will NEVER use silicone ever again. I want it taken out soon because I heard it gets worse after the 20 year mark, and I'm almost there. I'm looking for a permanent solution. Silicone is just an easy, cheap, quick fix that only looks nice temporarily.

I sent out about a dozen emails to clinics, but I haven't received many responses. I ruled out a few clinics that kept trying to convince me to use silicone again even though I strongly oppose it. I can speak and understand Korean (my mom is Korean), so I called a few clinics. So far, I like Samsung Aesthetic Clinic, AT Clinic, and JW Beauty. Samsung and JW are recommending dermal fat graft for the bridge. AT is recommending rib, and the price is reasonable. I'll probably just have in person consultations in Korea and decide after the consultations. I was impressed with AT because when I called, the lady put the doctor on the phone when I told her that the doctor and I have corresponded through email. Plus I love the fact that he's a member of ISAPS. He was extremely friendly and answered all of my questions. JW Beauty is known for handling difficult revision cases. Samsung and JW offer airport pick up service. Do you think it's rude to have a clinic pick you up at the airport when you intend on having consultations at other clinics too?

By the way, my mom tracked down the surgeon who did my first rhinoplasty. He's still practicing in Kangnam after almost 20 years. He's supposed to write me back, but I still haven't heard from him. His clinic is offering to do a revision at a steep discount. They don't charge that much to begin with anyway. I suppose he still wouldn't be in business if he wasn't good. Would you guys go back to the same doctor?

My mom also said to stay away from clinics that cater to foreigners because they definitely over charge. She said that any doctor in Kangnam is just as good or even better. I'm sorry that this is such a long post!

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izora, can you tell me more about your experience.
my email is [email protected]
thanks.

 

[tinggal]

ak212 said: ↑

Hey Tinggal,

How are you healing! I can't believe you were out and about on the 3rd day. It's day 2 for me and I'm pretty swollen (I also did my eyes and nose). When I went in today to get the cotton out of my nose, which I had to wait an extra day because my surgery was on Saturday, they told me I will continue to swell until day 3. YIKES! I too am a tad worried about all this swelling!! I hope it starts going down soon. My clinic gave me 3 day supply of pumpkin juice, which is supposed to help with the swelling. I've been diligently drinking that and taking my cocktail of pills. After my surgery and even today, I felt a bit weak It's strange because I've been stuffing my face a lot more than usual. Hope you are healing well!

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Hi ak212,

I did exactly one week earlier than u, also on Saturday and went for cotton removal on Monday. Doctor asks me to walk alot as it helps in deswelling. So I guess u should try to walk as much as possible but of cos, don't overwork yourself. Remember to eat too so you can gain strength to walk! ) don't worry, I felt weak during day 2 so third day onwards will be a better day for you and don't get get scare when they remove ur cast, it will not look nice! Mine was like a soft pear attracted on my face n I was telling the nurse I look Like piggy woman! It's day 10 now and everything is ok but I still got to wait for the deswelling.. Hope everything is good for u keep me posted on ur nose too)

 

[knowsnose]

hey tinggal, do you mind sending me your B&A?? my email is [email protected]
At Day 10 do you think you can go to crowded places? I was thinking of catching the Mnet! Countdown live while in Korea haha...

@Leepm do you have the website of AT Clinic??

 

[knowsnose]

Hi Nenepatio, congratulations on your new nose Do you know if they can speak English/Mandarin at Bomvit??

 

[taeyang123]

Nenepatio said: ↑

Hello nose lovers,

I believe I've found a gem among the masses of PS clinics in Seoul and am compelled to share my experience.

Choosing this clinic was a big decision b/c I could not locate any reviews in English about this method where tissue from your butt is used to build your nose. I had to think this one for a while. My nose has gone through 4 revisions in the past 10 years. It has put me through a lot. (Staying in at nights, not going on dates, pushing away friends, using a lot of makeup, loss of self-esteem, spending $ on extra ps... etc.)

I've researched heavily the past 8 months and found this clinic through Naver and Daum. Clinic was recommended by Koreans who sought a solution besides removing their implant, to counter the negative side effects of silicon and goretex. I consulted with 3 clinics that specialized in this technique 2 mths ago.

Bomvit was initially the Suwon branch for the well-known Bomnal PS clinic. Couple months ago, the surgeons went their separate ways and are now independent from each other.

I decided on the Bomvit clinic in Suwon.
It's on the 4th floor of a major popular building in the area. Top floors got cinema, lower floors sell mall merchandise, nail-hair salons, there's restaurants on the entire block and across the streets, adjacent clinics are for lasik & lasek, foot massage joint, pharmacy... Tons of motels at 35-40,000 Kwn per night.
Bomvit patients get special rates of 200,000kwn for 2 wks at a livingtel a block away.

The clinic's interior and layout is beautiful-elegant and modern, very zen with earthly tones. It's more spacious than many of the abgujeong ones.

Dr. Kim impressed me during the consultation. He studied my face and pointed out my problem areas. He didn't smell like cigarettes (a big plus for me). His answers to my questions were thorough. He was frank and explained what he can and can't do. He touched my nose and I can tell you from the way he touched it, he has a knowing-handle with noses. haha

Anyways, I am 4 days post op. Here is what happened:

(This is my experience. Others may experience differently.--talked to 3 patients while waiting.)

DAY 1:
No fasting required. I've been I-Ved. I'm lying face down with my butt exposed. He talks to me. There are 3 nurses about. He sterilzes the area. He tells me he's sedating me. I get real drowsy. Room is spinning. Feels pleasant. I feel a jab. That's the local anesthesia going in. The nurse also does a test injection on my wrist. Draws a smallcircle around it and writes some numbers above it. That was my sedation for the butt part. Pleasant drowsiness goes away. I am awake observing the surgery. My butt is numb but I can feel warmth from the lamp. He tells me I might feel slight pinching. This is when he goes in to carve out what he needs for my nose. This procedure takes about an hour. He sews me up. They put ointment and gauze over it. I am told to go on a bathroom break.

I empty my bladder and am back on the table face-up. They tie my hair and place surgical cloth around my face. The nurses clean my face. I begin to quiver involuntarily. I ask for a blanket. I take deep breaths. Dr.Kim is back. He tells me sedation is going in the IV. Again, pleasant drowsiness. Anxiety goes away like that buzz feeling you get from wine. He injects the area with local anesthesia. It is numb from pain but I feel pressure. I am observing the surgery again. I know when he is pulling, pushing, fixing... I feel the pressure when he is cutting my nose open. It was uncomfortable when he finally pulled out the silicon. He told me to take a look. I visualized a bloody piece of plastic in my mind and refused. He explained why my nose was crooked. Previous surgeons who cut the bone did an uneven-sloppy job. He went over it to smooth it out. This is uncomfortable too. I felt the scraping but no pain. My septum cartilage was intact. Phew, that's good news. Dr. Kim slid my butt tissue in. He also used some to build the tip of my nose. Did his magic for about 2 1/2 hrs. B/c I have thick scar tissue around the incision site, the anesthesia wore off quickly. He had to give me more. The needle wouldn't pierce through as easily either. When it was done, he gave me the mirror and told me to touch my nose. It was soft. It was a surreal feeling. I felt like this black cloud that's been hanging over me finally evaporate.

I've been given pain-killers and antibiotics through my IV.
I saw the piece of plastic, the source of my misery. It wasn't bloody. Dr. Kim said he was surprised that it hasn't penetrated out of my nose yet. With these types, it was common.

By the time the surgery was over, it was 11:30pm. It was snowing outside.
My consultant Mrs. Park told me to stay the night.
I was given cold packs for my nose. I wrap it around my nose. Not directly on top of it.
I am instructed not to touch my nose. I can place the cold compression lightly on the tip.
I stayed in, cuddled-up until the nurses came back in the next morning at 9.

DAY 2
They clean my sutures on my nose and butt.
It is very important that I don't directly sit on the sutures. Kind of have to go from one buttock to the other. Can't overly exert yourself, like suddently reaching for the remote. It can undo the sutures.
I really love the fact that actual trained nurses are treating me post op. In abgujeong, the consultants followed up with the post-op treatment (my other surgeries.) Anyways, I am given an injection on my butt. It's antibiotics and painkillers in one. My nurse kind of smacks the area. Don't feel the jab at all cause I'm distracted by the smack.

DAY 3
Nurse removes nose cast. Cleans my sutures. Another butt injection.
My nose is not crooked anymore. Dr. Kim gave me more projection and length. It is a prettier nose.
There is height, but it will subside after about a month. It will drape over the real curve of my nose and make it look natural. There is slight bruising. I am told it will go away by the 10th day mark. Depends how I heal. My nose is sparkling with shine.

DAY 4

Visible nose sutures between the nostrils are removed. The deeper sutures are not removed until the 10th day, and that also depends on how you heal. My butt sutures are removed on the 7th day. I receive my final butt injection and the smackdown that has the power to numb.

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I am really happy with my nose at this point.
I am in love with the staff who brought me pizza and clementine while I lounged in the clinic, Dr. Kim for lifting the curse, and Mrs. Park who was able to show me her butt during the consultation to get real with me.

I guess I can post pictures when I'm back in the states. Let's see how that goes...

Feel free to inquire and ask questions with the clinic.

Bomvit Clinic: email is [email protected]

http://bomvit.co.kr/

Happy New Year everyone!!!

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hey im glad u had a good experience. ive been on some korean sites that do that butt transfer thing. sounds really cool since its non invasive and u still get to keep a soft nose. glad u finally got the nose u wanted. hope the first rhinoplasty i get will be my last. i would love to see some pictures when everything deswells

my email is [email protected]

 

[miso-soup]

Hello everyone,

I am 7 days post op.
Still at korea right now, leaving this saturday.
Anyone wanna meet up to go shopping?

 

[knowsnose]

Hello Miso Soup, how was your experience for Vline & how much did u pay tog w RHino etc? Painful?
7 days post op for V-line and you can go shopping already! thats good...

Do email me pictures if you don't mind.... [email protected] - I'm going 11 Jan

 

[pppeppeepers]

ak212 said: ↑

Yes you should def try and make an appointment for consultations. I know some people communicated with specific clinics via email or by phone and booked a surgery date. For me, I made appointments with several clinics before coming to Seoul and I picked a clinic from the consults. If its not peak season, they can squeeze you in the same day, next day or the day after for surgery. Some places might ask for a non refundable deposit to secure a surgery date. Most of the clinics are located on a strip. Its the #3 subway Apgu stop exit 3 or 4 ie Grand, VIP, Regen, With, Samsung Line, JW, etc. There are some that are around the area. As for a place to stay, I think Banobagi has an officetel for their international patients. But the clinics generally have their go-to hotels/motels they will recommend. But I suggest booking a place beforehand with a fridge! As for money, it depends. Food is not that expensive in Seoul. I'm comparing this to where I'm from, NYC where food is quite expensive. However meat is somewhat expensive. I'm here with my mom and I haven't gone outside yet ;P I'm 3 days post op and still swollen so I have no desire to go out! Plus I've been to Korea before so I've seen it all Some of the hotels will have take out/delivery menus you can order food from.

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Thank you for replying!!! I hope your healing well!! Your tips are super helpful, let me know how it goes! Besides not feeling like going out, by day 3 are you able to go out? I definitely really wana go out to see seoul!!

 

[dj-liang]

I have asian nose~ But I'm okay with that LOL ^^

 

[nenepatio]

Hey Knowsnose,

They have an off-site English translator who they bring in.

Hey guys,

I got a pm from a reader who cancelled last minute with Dr. Jung from Shimmian for rib. I asked Mrs. Park if she knew Shimmian. They have done revisions for patients from Shimmian as well. Just an fyi.

Happy hunting!

knowsnose said: ↑

Hi Nenepatio, congratulations on your new nose Do you know if they can speak English/Mandarin at Bomvit??

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[leepm]

knowsnose said: ↑

hey tinggal, do you mind sending me your B&A?? my email is [email protected]
At Day 10 do you think you can go to crowded places? I was thinking of catching the Mnet! Countdown live while in Korea haha...

@Leepm do you have the website of AT Clinic??

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hello knowsnose,

yes, i believe i have their website (at home, can't check at work right now). thank you for the suggestion. i can't recall your past posts, but have you gotten a rhino recently? or are you still thinking about it?

 

[schrodinger]

diorluver said: ↑

Hi I'm from Toronto and I see from previous posts that some of you are too! I'm wondering if any of you are interested in planning a trip together? Or any translator recommendations?

I'm planning to do alar base reduction, tip and bridge, but I'm worry about post op results. I see from previous posts that many are not satisfied with their nose due to it becoming crooked. Is this common? Do majority of people do revisions?

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We really should have a Google Calendar for this, would be helpful to see when people would be going in for their procedures at a certain clinic and if others could join in a group (so it wouldn't be so lonely / depressing doing it alone). What an idea!

EevaLeena and I will be going in early September 2012. It's a while but we're prepared!

 

[leepm]

everyone,

sorry for the constant posts recently, but i have 13 days left before my hopeful op date.

i am considering vip, banobagi, shimmian for what they call a "maverick" nose.

question 1: if i choose vip, are they (dr lee) popular and experienced for using septal cartilage for bridge and ear for tip? (if not enough septal cartilage in nose). I am hearing so much on this forum about how godly dr lee is with using rib.

question 2: for vip, dr lee recommended getting paranasal augmentation with my rhino, but i feel like he's the only doctor that recommends it. is there anyone who got their rhino with dr lee at vip WITHOUT the paranasal aug and how did it turn out?

question 3: lastly, i heard dr jung at shimmian is not a board certified plastic surgeon, just an ENT. but he is still so popular...why?

thanks a lot peepz. take care.

 

[tinggal]

knowsnose said: ↑

hey tinggal, do you mind sending me your B&A?? my email is [email protected]
At Day 10 do you think you can go to crowded places? I was thinking of catching the Mnet! Countdown live while in Korea haha...

@Leepm do you have the website of AT Clinic??

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Hi knowsnose,

I will send u my b / a shortly I was out shopping on my 3rd day!! But of course, I was shopping around gangnam, so I could go back and rest when I am feeling tired by day 10 I am in singapore and had returned to work!! But countdown should be crowded and it takes around 2 weeks for nose to be "unblocked" so u may find it hard to breathe through your mouth.. Moreover, you wont know whose hands may accidentally land on your face, so ... Hahaa.. In generally, I am back to normal on day 10)