sassygrl Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Is this ur second surgery. 9500 is what i paid too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennysmith88 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 i not really sure pm on here but i have emailed u. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplysmiles Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 nope, I asked for a quote by email and I only wanted alar reduction and tiplasty but they gave me the full rib cartilage rhinoplasty price. how was your experience w/VIP? Did you stay at their clinic post-op? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterntht Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Hi everyone, It has been a while since my last post and I am still extremely depressed that I cannot even function. The botched rhinoplasty at Samsung Aesthetic Clinic in Korea has literally ruined my life...As I see some of you are researching clinics in Korea, I just want to warn people to avoid this clinic at all costs as I don't want anyone to go through what I have been through. At first, I didn't want to mention the clinic but thinking back, one of the reasons that made me confident to go ahead with this clinic was a good review from this forum. So I thought my post might save some future victims from a disaster. I had never in my life felt self-conscious about my nose until when I happened to read this forum while doing research for another surgery and started to find a few things wrong/ugly about my nose that I should seek a nose job to improve (this was the biggest mistake!!!). Then I started doing research about rhinoplasty and materials used for the surgery. I didn't want any foreign objects in my nose so goretex, silicon were out. Also, rib was not the option as I thought it was so crazy to go though a major surgery like that just for the sake of vanity. I was nearly set on dermal fat graft until when I consulted Dr.Park of Samsung Aesthetic Clinic who talked me out of it, giving several drawbacks that I would have a scar on the donor site, the nose would be too soft and a lot of patients from other clinics went to him for revision after dermal fat graft rhinoplasty (???). He said he used permacol (porcine dermis), a very expensive material from the UK and after sometime, permacol would become my own tissue, so I don't have to worry about infection. I was so naive that I believed him and thought that it was a perfect material for me. Now after a lot of research, I realise that what he said was only self-statement with no evidence. Permacol is a new material that hasn't been around long enough for a proper research, especially in its use as rhinoplasty material. Since this was the only clinic that used this 'perfect' material, I had to go with them. I was a little wary as I didn't see a lot of reviews about them but then I found a good review long time ago in this forum from someone who had her nose job there so I was confident going ahead. Here is what they gave me: a crocked, deviated bridge, asymmetric tip and nostrils, pinched tip which I hate and most seriously a breathing problem...I already had revisional surgery to remove all the grafts but not all problems were corrected and I still have to live with this meesed up nose all my life as I don't want to have any graft in my nose anymore and it's impossible to correct nose problems without using grafts. Please think very carefully before going for a nose job because once done there is no going back! During the process of consultation at Samsung Aesthetic Clinic, I saw so many red flags but I was so excited that I tried to ignore all and even made excuses for them: - The doctor never replied emails, only clinic managers did. I don't like all the clinics that are run in this way because there are a lot of things that only the doctors can answer you correctly. - The doctor (Dr.Park) always rushed and never spent enough time for consultation. During the very short consultations, he didn't ask me what I wanted but tried to sell hard, talking about his technique and skill. Please stay away from any surgeons who rush in consultation because chances are they would also rush in your surgery and mess up your face. - Clinic manager also tried to sell hard, talking about how good their clinic is and how good the doctor is ect. They pointed out many things that need to be improved, making me feel as if I had a very ugly nose and they would made it beautiful. The lesson is: don't listen to others, only do surgery if it concerns you, not because others tell you that it's ugly. - The clinic has only one doctor who meets with patients and gives consultation but many doctors at the back, kind of assistant doctors who never have face-to-face consultation with the patients. Think about this, they don't need 5 doctors to do a nose job together. If they have many doctors like that, it's likely that the doctor you consult is the lead doctor (who has many good credentials to show off) and the doctors at the back are actually those who performed your surgery, which is my case that I only found out later. It's so scary that you don't even know who they are and if they are qualified enough. You do a lot of research about the doctor who doesn't actually perform the surgery. - After the surgery, there is NO WAY for me to see or talk to the doctor. If I called or emailed, I could only get in touch with clinic manager who was not able to asnwer the technical questions. I begged to speak to the doctor for 2 mins on the phone at his convenient time (even if I had to wake up at night to call him due to time zone difference) because I needed to ask him a few things regarding my nose but they said he didn't have time, he was doing surgeries all day. I said if so, I called after he finished all the surgeries but they still said that he's busy I couldn't talk to him...Well, but if you are a new patient, he always find time to meet you even if he is in operation room doing surgery. - One more thing I only found out after my surgery is that one of the nurses there whose nose is amazingly natural had it done at another clinic! So if you come to a clinic and see some nurses with beautiful noses, don't assume that they got them done at the same clinic, they may have them done somewhere else. And if so, it's really a big red flag because even their staff don't trust their doctor. I've found out that many clinics in Korea are just like factories that they don't treat you like human being. After they take money and do the job, they are done and if there is any problem after that, it's your responsibility! Sorry for a long post but I hope those who are still on the fence whether to have a nose job or not, like I was before, think twice before going for this type of surgery. This is not a piece of cake. There are many things that can go wrong and that would make a serious impact on your life that you can never imagine. My life is ruined forever because of the nose job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttn5031 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 omg, sorry to heard that from you. Are you ok now? Me, too. I plan to go the end of Jan for my vacation but I'm not really sure I want a nj done. It's kind scary, heard all the korean wave plastic surgery... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taeyang123 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 rlly? they quoted u full rib cartilage price? what material did u ask for in the tip? i wanted tiplasty with rib and shaving off my hump on the dorsum and they quoted me 7300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taeyang123 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 hey im rlly sorry about ure experience and that u feel rlly insecure about ur nose and depressed. however i dont think tht u should settle with the idea tht ur going to have a messed up nose for the rest of ure life. if ur rlly depressed i think u shuld rlly look into getting it revised. there have been so many ppl who have gotten messed up noses from random clinics and have gotten other doctors to fix it. y havent u thought about fixing it with grafts? if u dont mind me asking. u dont have to go with rib there is ear cartilage as well. it looks rlly natural and soft and bendable and there is no need for cutting open ure rib lol. i dont mean to promote vip clinic or anything but they have done wonders with deformed and messed up noses. and to add if ure having breathing problems getting it fixed would be beneficial to ure health. the best of luck to you and i hope u find a solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbaby Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Richbaby here actually and I'm female too I'm now in my post op 12 days but my face is still swelling and there are bruises here and there on my face. Some are difficult to use make up to cover it. In addition, my tip is still like "rudolph" from side view. I'm starting work in another 4 days time. So, am very worried that people notice my difference as I'm a vain but shy person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kain Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 if you want rib only in the tip, o&young does that apparently.http://www.koclubchina.com/bna/nose_bna.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbaby Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hi, I'm so sorry to hear about your experience! But I have the same thought as tneyang123 that you should seek for revision. I will share my story later on my nose revision. I did a nose revision after my primary NJ just after 5 months. I was extremely depressed for that 5 months and the way how people sees me in an obvious fake nose (probably it's all about how I see myself). It supposed to make me happier but I ended up in misery. So, I think I just have to make it right this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbaby Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hi Kain, I have done paranasal augmentation which the Doc inserted silicone into my cheeks via my mouth. Now, I'm at my post op 12th day. I couldn't smile as my upper lips cannot go upwards. I look very weird. Is this the nanny lips that you mentioned before in earlier post. Are you facing the same issue and how long does it take to be normal again. I'm super worried now cos I'm going back to work in another few more days and how can a normal person not smile to anyone??? Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kain Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 paranasals don't go to the cheeks, they go behind the nose, above the mouth i was able to smile, but it looked weird because my upper lip did not curl up properly, and my upper lip was looked longer than before (it didn't actually become longer, but the angle changed so that it projected more downwards instead of outwards). for a month or so, it was really bad. then it started to get better slowly. i don't think i have granny lips anymore (i'll give you access to my b&a so you can judge for yourself). when i smile, my upper lip is still lower than it was before(by a few mm), but it doesn't look abnormal. the effect may also be compounded if you've had your septi nasal muscle cut or transposed during the surgery, which is the muscle that connects the nose to the mouth and pulls the nose inwards when you smile. i know its difficult but try not to stress out over it too much. the recovery time varies by patient but you should be able to get a good estimate from your surgeon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessica86 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 sound like no people is going to ID...is ID good? they quite expensive.. but banobagi receptionist is some kind no manners, and their replying email was so slow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbaby Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Dear All, Now my turn to share with everyone on my experience Background Info: I had a flat and short nose originally. It actually matched nicely on my face. There's a saying that flat nose represent "Tai Tai" life which means I no need to work so hard but get to enjoy life. However, I was never satisfied with it and it was always my dream to get a higher nose. I even reached a stage that I find a husband with high nose, Hee! Hee! Eventually, I fulfilled my dream with a traditional method (L shape silicone implant) in one of the local PS clinic (Malaysia) in July 2011. At that time, I never researched much and I didn't know about this forum too. I thought my problem can be solved with a simple procedure. The nightmare started here. The silicone was extremely straight and the structure of the silicone can be obviously seen. It was worst when I took photo with flash light cos I can see a clear line on my bridge all the way till my eyebrow. On top of that, I noticed that it was crooked immediately after the surgery. The doc said it was due to my original nose was crooked. He also said the silicone is higher because of my hump that he cannot remove. What kind of excuse is this? In addition, the silicone implant seemed to be placed higher than my eyes level which caused me looked extremely weird. So, it was never true in my case that people noticed you become prettier but won't notice what was changed. Almost everyone knows I did a NJ!!!! I admit that I'm a vain person but I'm also a super duper shy person. So, I felt enormously uneasy and depressed with all the comments. Then, I started wearing specs to cover my high, straight and obvious silicone nose. After this NJ, I have spent money on 3 sets of specs (Note: I'm not short sighted). I told people that it was for fashion sake. What a stupid excuse!! I avoided all conversations on my NJ and worst I avoided seeing people that I know. I was so not me. I was a cheerful, talkative and I just love to social. But I avoided all social activities which made my life miserable. Due to desperation, I decided for a revision! I started with a lot of research and I found this forum. I learned a lot here. TQVM!! Final Decision: I was at a juncture of deciding whether to remove the silicone and live with what I was before. But very quickly, I have decided for a nose revision cos I never liked my flat nose. So, I guess I can only fix it better and I'm confident Korea's surgeons will definitely make it better than my current situation. To be honest, I wasn't going for perfection. After much research on comparing silicone and Goretex. I have decided on Goretex. I read many medical reports on Goretex before KAIN posted those info (it's great info, pls take time to read it if you are still deciding on what material to use). With much research, I found Dr Jung, Shimmian. He is the only Korea surgeon that has most info on the internet. I could actually find a book that he was one of the authors on rhinoplasty. Besides, he has a lot of information on nose revision on his website which gave me the comfort level. Most importantly, he is ENT specialist which he could address my crooked nose and the hump. Furthermore, he also specializes in only rhinoplasty which another plus point for me. Then, I found out that he will be attending a conference in Hong Kong. So, I flew all the way to Hong Kong for consultation. One thing to note and also my 2 cents to you. I think it's better to have at least 2 consultations with the doc that you have shortlisted or selected. You also prepare some gap between these 2 consultations so that you have ample time to think, research more on what he recommended and prepare more questions for him. This helps your doc to understand well on what you expect and you can take this oppty to know if he is the right doc for your case. Don't rush for a decision. It doesn't matter if the consulting manager reply your emails or so. Most importantly, you must get to meet the doc enough to address your concerns & expectations. Dr Jung was very patient and never rush to finish off the consultation (this is plus point to me). Bringing some pictures helps too. I made sure I have several pictures (nose that i like) from side, front and nostril view to show your doc. Dr Jung has been consistent on his recommendation (both consultations). I'm pretty sure that he was the one who did my nose revision because he allowed my husband to check on my nose after he has done the procedure (before sewing). During the checking session, he told and showed my husband on what he has addressed which is again consistent with what we have discussed. Another good thing was he told my husband to console me not to worry so much during the recovery period because what my husband saw was the final result (before all the swelling). This prove that Dr Jung is confident on his work which made me very comfortable and relief. Nevertheless, I'm still very impatient with all the swelling at this moment, hahahaha!! Honestly speaking, I didn't shop around for few clinics for opinions. Shimmian was the only clinic that I considered. This is because I don't believe I can decide by just shopping around and make a decision on the spot based on what the doc said. I need to carefully consider all aspects and ask the doc more questions to confirm if he understands my expectations well. Of course before you make a decision on a clinic, some studies or references are a must. Oh ya, just FYI, I have decided on Goretex (bridge) and tip plasty (ear cartilage) and paranasal augmentation (silicone). I did it in Dec 2011 which was 5 months after my primary rhinoplasty. Today is my post op 12th day. I'm always slow in recovering on everything. I would recommend you to have at least 3 weeks minimal for the recovering period. But I realized that man recovers better & faster than woman. I'm still swell like a pig and I have bruises around my cheeks and mouth area. I can't use make up to cover it till now. So, I'm pretty worried now. Another key concern is my upper lip (due to paranasal). I couldn't smile like normal. My upper lip doesn't go upwards and I look weird when I smile. I'm wondering if this is normal and how long does it take to be normal? How can I not to smile when I talk to people. Appreciate your feedback here!! One last thing, I had Jay as my translator (one post few months back said Jay was pushy). But, I was actually quite happy with him and he was very helpful when I was there. When I removed the stitches, I was freaking nervous and I almost fainted. He was with me and hold my hands to give me the support throughout the entire process. On the other hand, they realized that I can speak in Mandarin. Therefore, they have another chinese speaking manager to take care of me. She is extremely caring. So, I have 2 persons took care of me whenever I went back for any activities. I was overwhelmed with it. On top of it, they also made sure my husband was attended. Jay chit chatted with him all the time. There was one setback. The consulting manager forgot to inform Dr Jung that I need to do paranasal. Therefore, Dr Jung didn't do it together with my nose revision. I found out after post op 5th day. Eventually, I did it with local anesthetic. It was quite pain and I was freaking scared cos I knew exactly what Dr Jung did (even though it was only 5 mins operation). I started crying during the procedure. Dr Jung consoled me after the 5 mins surgery. There were so many people came in to look at me after this to ensure that I was okay. My whole body was shivering and I was crying non stop until the Korea girls next to me (who has just done her NJ) started consoling me too, shy shy!!! So, must make sure everything is communicated properly. Anyhow, I would still recommend Shimmian for NJ! One more comment about Shimmian, someone posted that it is only popular among foreigners. I don't think it is true. There were many koreans in the clinic day in day out for procedures. But they probably have more foreigner customers than other clinics because Dr Jung can speak good english and manadarin. It makes communication much easier. Pls feel free to ask me any questions. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbaby Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Thanks Kain! I'm now have a better understanding. But I'm wondering how do you deal with people with that granny lips? I saw your b&a photos, you look really good after the NJ. My tip is extremely hard now, is it normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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