asian nose job 2

[dayibaqu]

kain said: ↑

i don't think he is advertising. he did not mention the name of the clinic even once on the other forum
http://messageboards.makemeheal.com/rhinoplasty/korean-nose-job-blog-pictures-t140112.html

and i'm not sure why you think i sound like a fascist. >.<
i was trying to mediate the discussion

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Sorry to confuse you, I mean I myself sound like a hysterical person.

 

[kain]

we do appreciate the warning though. =)

 

[dayibaqu]

kain said: ↑

we do appreciate the warning though. =)

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[vivi_bee]

^koreanboy
Im a bit confused with your essay like writings... i didnt read it all, but skim through it... Rib does NOT protrude... its UNHEARD OF. Unless u break your own nose.. thats the same as any other material. Also, if your in denial about fake material being eventually rejected by the body bcus its a foreign object.. thats bizaree because its VERYYYYY common. It's almost expected that if u use fake material u will eventually have a 2nd revision. If your saying "WELL THATS BASED YOUR YOUR EXPERIENCE... ITS SO LIL" and then saying it to another person "well... thats just your opinion!" well..... umm of course!! lol... it's their opinion because it's their opinion.. and its common. If doctors are honest they will tell u that. So many doctors have had revisions due to fake material. And no in 19 yrs rib will still be the same. Rib can only warp during the carving while the doctor is placing it in your nose. Once its set... it's set. Your body has no reason to reject it. (this is me talking about your own genetics... i understand other ppl have donar rib cuz they r chicken to take out their own rib.. i dont know anything about that so im not gonna say)
I dont know why u seem soooooo defensive on Izora's message.. you're reading it very negatively... perhaps it's because you just put a fake implant in your nose and you don't wanna believe it.
Again, it's better to believe who or what has more complications...i saw no link of someone doing rib that somehow got an infection and protruded through their nose. If it's like that... doctors would say they are both equally dangerous and why wont they just give us fake material since its sooooo much easier to carve and less work? My nose is for 1 yr now.. and maybe when the first time i took off my cast i was freaked out.. but unlike silicone my nose looks better and better each and everyday, seeing my friends noses (who have used gortex and silicone) im glad my made my choice. In the end it's ppl's own decision to make.. and they need to talk to an honest Doctor... but i dont think u should be lying to ppl syaing natural material and fake material are equal. Cuz its not and its wrong! There is a REASON why it's soooo known that fake material ppl do higher revision and have higher problems. I'm doing revision to defat my nose more, it doesnt have anything to do with any problems, feeling heavy... feeling hard. Infact, u told izora to keep waiting until 19 yrs and then talk? Well u know what? It gets better and better each day didnt i say so? It's basically the opposite of silicone. 1) Silicone looks sooo damn nice the first months and then it starts to change shape, rib... fugly and scary but each month passes looks sooooo damn good 2) silicone gets heavier as years progress, Rib- starts to feel less tight and lighter as months progress. My nose feels like my natural nose. I honestly forget i got it done, the only thing that reminds me is my rib scar.

dayibaqu said: ↑

One more thing I want to remind you guys. Artificial materials are not good for nose augmentation. They may look good in the beginning, but silicon will eventually become very hard and maybe protrude out of your skin(because of gravity). And gortex has a very easy to get infected, and difficult to be removed when things go wrong.

I can say so because I just have my silicon implant removed about 1 month ago,

I didnt believe silicon was not good until my nose began to show signs of protruding, after it had been perfect after almost 10 years.
I'm living in western Canada, the doctor removed my implant is Dr Martin Giuffre, I am not sure if he is good in doing Asian rhinoplasty, but I think the doctors in the city I live normally would not have much experience, so I didn't do the revision surgery and just have the implant removed. If you don't believe me you can check normally at what time I post reply. If I work for other hospital to trash Wonjin and are not living in Canada that means I had to make posts in midnights or very early in the morning, so it could show here that the posts were made during daytime or in evening.

In American and Canada, doctors didn&#8217;t use silicon for a long time, if you really want a silicon nose done, you have to change implant every 10-15 year. This is what people do with silicon breast augmentation. I f you don&#8217;t believe me, you can call and ask your local surgeon.

Gortex is the kind of material your blood vessels will grow into and will become very hard when time goes by, which makes it difficult to remove when things go wrong. You may think if the doctor is very skilled, nothing would go wrong. BUT when the material become hard, it will give pressures to your skin and eventually cause infection. All these thing happen after 10, even 20 years, so think about it before you make any choice.

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this is very true... as i recall a girl came out with a nose looking like Vivian Hsu.. and then half a year later it was like... bulbulous and not so pretty.
I also heard ppl who use fake material get nightmares about protruding (extruding?) silicone coming out of their noses!! Being a paranoid person i am, thats why i used real material... the only reason i want revision is i dont think they defatted enough.

If anybody has had revision when they used RIB material as their primary material PLZ PLZ PLZ Pm me!!!!!!!!

 

[taeyang123]

vivi_bee said: ↑

^koreanboy
Im a bit confused with your essay like writings... i didnt read it all, but skim through it... Rib does NOT protrude... its UNHEARD OF. Unless u break your own nose.. thats the same as any other material. Also, if your in denial about fake material being eventually rejected by the body bcus its a foreign object.. thats bizaree because its VERYYYYY common. It's almost expected that if u use fake material u will eventually have a 2nd revision. If your saying "WELL THATS BASED YOUR YOUR EXPERIENCE... ITS SO LIL" and then saying it to another person "well... thats just your opinion!" well..... umm of course!! lol... it's their opinion because it's their opinion.. and its common. If doctors are honest they will tell u that. So many doctors have had revisions due to fake material. And no in 19 yrs rib will still be the same. Rib can only warp during the carving while the doctor is placing it in your nose. Once its set... it's set. Your body has no reason to reject it. (this is me talking about your own genetics... i understand other ppl have donar rib cuz they r chicken to take out their own rib.. i dont know anything about that so im not gonna say)
I dont know why u seem soooooo defensive on Izora's message.. you're reading it very negatively... perhaps it's because you just put a fake implant in your nose and you don't wanna believe it.
Again, it's better to believe who or what has more complications...i saw no link of someone doing rib that somehow got an infection and protruded through their nose. If it's like that... doctors would say they are both equally dangerous and why wont they just give us fake material since its sooooo much easier to carve and less work? My nose is for 1 yr now.. and maybe when the first time i took off my cast i was freaked out.. but unlike silicone my nose looks better and better each and everyday, seeing my friends noses (who have used gortex and silicone) im glad my made my choice. In the end it's ppl's own decision to make.. and they need to talk to an honest Doctor... but i dont think u should be lying to ppl syaing natural material and fake material are equal. Cuz its not and its wrong! There is a REASON why it's soooo known that fake material ppl do higher revision and have higher problems. I'm doing revision to defat my nose more, it doesnt have anything to do with any problems, feeling heavy... feeling hard. Infact, u told izora to keep waiting until 19 yrs and then talk? Well u know what? It gets better and better each day didnt i say so? It's basically the opposite of silicone. 1) Silicone looks sooo damn nice the first months and then it starts to change shape, rib... fugly and scary but each month passes looks sooooo damn good 2) silicone gets heavier as years progress, Rib- starts to feel less tight and lighter as months progress. My nose feels like my natural nose. I honestly forget i got it done, the only thing that reminds me is my rib scar.




this is very true... as i recall a girl came out with a nose looking like Vivian Hsu.. and then half a year later it was like... bulbulous and not so pretty.
I also heard ppl who use fake material get nightmares about protruding (extruding?) silicone coming out of their noses!! Being a paranoid person i am, thats why i used real material... the only reason i want revision is i dont think they defatted enough.

If anybody has had revision when they used RIB material as their primary material PLZ PLZ PLZ Pm me!!!!!!!!

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Hey vivi_bee. I am also going to use rib for my nose job, but mine will be primary so it will be my first time. I am onli goin to use rib for my tip cuz I already have a bridge. I was juss wondering if u can clarify one thing for me. What do u mean when u say that u r getting a revision becuase they didn't defat it enough?? I'm assuming u meann ur tip. Did they not define the tip enough? Or they didn't remove enough of the fatty tissues from ur skin during the surgery so the cartiledge would show more after? Lol plz clarify this for me. Thanks.

 

[izora]

koreanboy said: ↑

What "homework"? The only evidence she provided for any of the numerous medico-scientific claims she proferred was that she herself once had to get a silicone implant removed. Her single, isolated personal experience with something doesn't lend credence to a wholesale characterization of that thing.

You're sort of similar. You tout the supremacy of the material that you most recently used over the material that you had to have removed and cite this as evidence of the supremacy you claim... again, your single, isolated experience (which, by the way, is pretty limited - you're comparing your silicone nose of 19 years to your rib nose of 2 months... wouldn't a fairer and more accurate comparison only be possible after another 19 years with your rib nose?). In one of my first posts on this message boad, I posted links to about a dozen pieces of academic studies and other pieces of literature that have been published in peer-reviewed medico-scientific journals in the U.S. that all downplay the supremacy of one particular grafting material over another and stress that each has its pros and cons and that the technique and skill of the surgeon is the most important factor in determining the success of grafting. But, you sort of laugh in the face of science and maintain that your single experience proves it all wrong. You DO know that rib has lots of problematic issues too, right? Especially when used wrong, which it often is because it's overly complex?

In fact, check out this entire blog dedicated to the problems caused by rib grafts used by Dr. Dean Toriumi in the U.S., one of the most "famous" rhinoplasty surgeons in the world (and, ironically, highly recommended by our crazy friend dayibaqu!): http://drtoriumipatienttestimonialsandsugges.blogspot.com/

I think that kain is a voice of reason in saying that it's sort of self-serving to try and instill a sense of confidence in the grafting material you used over other grafting materials. It's like you're reassuring yourself that nothing's going to go wrong this time and that what happened last time can TOTALLY 100% be blamed on the material alone. But wake up - this is obviously not the case. A lot of things were probably an issue with your last rhinoplasty, NOT just the material, and there is a VERY SUBSTANTIAL LIKELIHOOD that there are going to be problems with your current one, too - you just have to face those facts and stop preaching pseudo-science based on your individual experiences.

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Yes, I was mainly talking about my personal experience and the experience of some people that I know who used implants. Pretty much everyone I know who had an implant had to remove it at some point. There was actually nothing "wrong" with my first nose job with silicone. As I mentioned before, my nose looked quite nice for a few years. However, the silicone changed my nose over the years, and this is INEVITABLE with implants. You're fooling yourself if you really believe that your nose will look exactly the same in a decade. Any doctor who tells you this is obviously unethical and deceitful. This is not the case with natural material though. Everybody should do their due diligence and decide what material is best for them. It's not my place to judge, and to each his own. I will always believe that natural is better, but this is just my opinion and I'm not trying to force my belief onto others. Cartilage is what's naturally found inside your nose, so it makes sense to use material that is similar to your natural makeup. There is nothing natural about silicone or goretex.

As for Dr. Toriumi, I would have never gone to him. He has too many botched jobs and patient complaints. Anyone who does basic research would see that. Of course there are problems with rib too just like with any other material, but the problems aren't as severe as using implants. The likelihood of warping or absorption can be minimized or prevented, which is why it's so important to choose the right doctor. With natural material, there are issues that you just never have to worry about, which isn't the case with implants.

 

[kain]

how much does rhinoplasty cost at vip?

 

[foodisevil]

kain said: ↑

how much does rhinoplasty cost at vip?

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You can message them directly here http://vipps.co.kr/vip_eng/ or Email: [email protected] and you will get a reply within a few days.

Attach photos too...

They will most likely send you a table with all nose surgery options and the costs next to it. There is 10% discount for students and if you plan on having multiple surgeries I think vip offers free accomm for 1 week (2 weeks if you book early).

 

[hammerofdawn]

Hi,

Haven't posted or researched in a long while. Last time I checked, silicon was risky, and gortex was fairly new. Was thinking of the injections to raise my nose bridge. Any other new technologies out there? I just want something that's safe, and that will last.

 

[jamnyc]

Eeek. I think injections can only be safely used for very, very shallow imperfections along the nose bridge for long periods of time. They are temporary (Radiesse) and will be pricey in the long run if you want to keep the look. The only permanent filler was approved recently so there are no "experts" in its use. It takes multiple sessions and if you end up not liking it will require surgical excision for removal. Plus there are some horror stories out there re: infections, bumpiness, scarring... I think depending on how much your bridge needs to be raised, a rhinoplasty may actually be safer.

 

[kain]

can someone find me vip clinic on google maps or bing maps? or maybe give me some nearby landmarks? i can't find it by copying and pasting the address. thank you

 

[vivi_bee]

taeyang123 said: ↑

Hey vivi_bee. I am also going to use rib for my nose job, but mine will be primary so it will be my first time. I am onli goin to use rib for my tip cuz I already have a bridge. I was juss wondering if u can clarify one thing for me. What do u mean when u say that u r getting a revision becuase they didn't defat it enough?? I'm assuming u meann ur tip. Did they not define the tip enough? Or they didn't remove enough of the fatty tissues from ur skin during the surgery so the cartiledge would show more after? Lol plz clarify this for me. Thanks.

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Hi yes sorry, i meant i want them to make my tip smaller, it's not bulbulous or anything, but its still too "big-roundish" for my liking.
The doctor himself really reallly wanted me to go back to him and
he would have only charge me a tiny fee cuz he agreed too that he should
have defatted it more but it was my fault cuz i told him im very worried
about having a "sharp pointy nose" which doesnt run in my family.
However with my nose dine he only did alar and tip work.. and didnt
defat it.

 

[vivi_bee]

Another thing i wanted to add... about complications...
with rib warption happens DURING the carving process
complications can happen with something going wrong with the rib extraction process or
if someone's rib is extra strong... or whatnot... but once it's inside your nose... it's not gonna be rejected or have scary break-through-your-nose-infections.
Of course Rhinoplasty in general there is complications.. there is even ppl who die from General Anesthsia... or what i heard someone died after anesthsia AFTER taking her medications (painkillers given by the doctor) many freak accident things can happen.
But we are talking about once it's in your nose... Rib VS silicone... who will be the last one standing without problems and complications? The the winner is Rib.

 

[taeyang123]

vivi_bee said: ↑

Hi yes sorry, i meant i want them to make my tip smaller, it's not bulbulous or anything, but its still too "big-roundish" for my liking.
The doctor himself really reallly wanted me to go back to him and
he would have only charge me a tiny fee cuz he agreed too that he should
have defatted it more but it was my fault cuz i told him im very worried
about having a "sharp pointy nose" which doesnt run in my family.
However with my nose dine he only did alar and tip work.. and didnt
defat it.

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Ooo I get it now. By defatting u mean when the skin of the nose is made thinner by removing the fat from under the skin. I heard tht can hve complications buh with a good surgeon u should have some good results. I too would like a sharp or pointy nose cuz it suits my face much better. I'm not too worried about ppl finding out I got rhinoplasty. May I ask what surgeon did ur nose?

I also heard tht after surgery the surgeon can use steroid injections under the surface of the skin to reduce swelling and thin the skin. I'm thinking of getting this done but I'm not sure if surgeons in korea or china are too familiar with this procedure.

 

[kain]

can you guys do me a favor?

can you go to this page, type "rib" into the search bar, select "content" from the drop down box, search, and tell me what you think of dr jung's work with rib?