asian nose job 2

[kain]

she wanted millimeters, not cm =P

arg i want a nose job so bad but i have to wait until april =(

 

[ahappycamper]

mikaila229 said: ↑

HI KoreanBoy

Really glad to see someone who is in Korea and can read korean thx for having given us all these informations

May I ask your opinion on Banobagi clinic?
Im considering double eyelid surgery there since that's the only place where I see patients with beautiful outfold parallel eyelid. And what about their rhino? Since I can't read korean so I guess they only do silicone..
And do you by any chance know how much do they quote for both procedures please?

thanks in adcance!!

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I went to Banobagi, and I am happy thus far though it's Only been 3 months

 

[vivi_bee]

opps i bad yeah i meant mm.
But my nose height is indeed 2cm-ish high. (rib with my natural bone too tho)

 

[via]

vivi_bee said: ↑

does it painful?(from the incision they took out the ribs)
(note: i did mine in taiwan) i believe taiwan and korea use different methods to find the rib. Korea uses thing machine thingy to pin-point the rib rib and extract it out, thus your scar will be hidden with a bra on. Taiwan does not use anything to find the rib, they just do the incesion. When i put my bra on, you can still see the scar. So im really not sure if that's the reason why mine didnt hurt to much?? Just because mine didnt hurt, your may hurt. I read another girl who did hers in Taiwan too, and the nurses were moving her from the operation table to her bed (i believe we had the same doctor) and she said it "effing" hurt. I was born with asthma.. so i was quite surprised i was all comfy and dandy.. lol.
The most painful part is going through all the needle injections... =( i felt really sorry for myself cuz i HATE needles. I HATE THEM!!! Dont laugh too much.. u will also feel uncomfortable and tired. IF you plan on walking and going out for shopping, u can wear baggy layered clothing without a bra.

how long after can you resume to normal activities?
You can do things fine, i believe you cant jog or do heavy sports...ermm 3 weeks - 1 month. I dont remember. Honestly i felt normal 1 week later. I have a habbit of putting my hand over my scar part tho.. (putting pressure on it) I think the first 4 days u will struggle getting off your bed (like getting up) cuz of your rib. In Korea they take extra care and i believe (from what i heard so dont quote me on this) they make you stay at least 2 weeks before u fly back. For me.. i left at 10 days... had luggage and all and i flew back home just fine. I had no problems. I was born a sick and weak child. So .. i dunno.. im fine right now.. i guess when the doctors do all those 10 health tests on you, they will let u know if are allowed to do it or not. Honestly, in my opinion.. it didnt feel like a serious surgery to me. Dont take it lightly tho "removing a rib" of course it's a serious thing. (oh yea when the remove it, obviously it's part you don't need or your body uses) But it's worth it.

and does ' i dont need to worry about the future.' means it'll be less maintained than silicone?
Once you survive the rare chance of problems extracting your rib and putting it in your nose without warping. Yes you're fine for life. UNLESS you break your nose somehow. (but using fake material and breaking it u will need to fix that too) or if you want your nose too look nicer, you'll need revision. But if you mean will it get infected extrude through your nose. The answer is no.
if you love how it looks u can live with it for the rest of your lifetime there is no complications if you found a good experienced doctor who has worked plenty of times on Rib. Again, if your looking for high or (european) noses, you need to understand silicone expands and hardens whereas rib absorbs. For me, i already have a mixed look cuz my have huge eyes, so my medium size asian nose is fin for me. Again, even if my nose shrink a bit more, i'd still be happy.

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thank you so much for the detailed reply vivi!
Im kindaa born with asthma as well.sigh I really hope they can use my septal cartilage instead of rib!it sound & look kinda scary for rib hahaha.
yeah im just worried that it'll took a long time since i will be doing my eye surgery on the same day as well.

Anyway,im glad that your nose surgery sounds fine&great
Just a qn,when you had flu or sneeze,does it make a difference after you have a rhinoplasty?
hahaha sorry for the random qn im just wondering!

 

[mhser]

koreanboy said: ↑

I also want to remind people that there are some other types of cartilage grafts besides rib that are much more commonly used in nose jobs and much less complicated.

I myself have an ear cartilage graft in my nose. Taking the cartilage from my ear added only about 5-10 minutes to my surgery time. I think I mentioned in my "blog" that I was actually awake while they took the cartilage out my ear... that's how simple it was! AND I think it looks great - you can judge for yourself in the pictures from my other posts.

I think the most commonly used natural grafting material is septal cartilage from inside the nose. This doesn't even require any additional incisions or procedures/recovery since they're already inside your nose for your rhinoplasty.

For those of you considering cartilage grafts but are wary of the invasive and comparatively complex/complicated nature of rib surgery, ear cartilage and septal cartilage are two much more common and less complex alternatives.

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Hi everyone,

I am looking to do both eye and nose surgery. I have slight ptosis that I have be dying to correct and I had never really liked my nose, it's a bit wide and undefine...I had never thought about the height until now..though I think that I would only want to raise it alittle and make my nose slimmer.

Well I consulted VIP, dr. jung, a few doctors in taiwan and other from korea.

I actaully got more confused now listening to everyone here. I was seriously thinking about going to VIP but I don't really know if I want to do the rib graft...which I think in a way VIP is very knee on doing this. Anyhow if I can get it done, I just want to see if septial and ear carliage is enough for me... koreanboy I can't pm yet but I was wondering if you can let me see your before and after photos. My email is [email protected].

 

[vivi_bee]

Via said: ↑

thank you so much for the detailed reply vivi!
Im kindaa born with asthma as well.sigh I really hope they can use my septal cartilage instead of rib!it sound & look kinda scary for rib hahaha.
yeah im just worried that it'll took a long time since i will be doing my eye surgery on the same day as well.

Anyway,im glad that your nose surgery sounds fine&great
Just a qn,when you had flu or sneeze,does it make a difference after you have a rhinoplasty?
hahaha sorry for the random qn im just wondering!

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too change topic a bit..
i forgot to say something... someone said something about the shot.. the shot that deswells your nose... i recommend NOT to do that. I think it's better to let your nose deswell on your own. I really didnt wanna do it.. prior to getting on the plane and i talk to 2 other girls.. 1 girl didnt do it.. and she said u wont feel any unfortornesss.. just cover your face. During that time it was winter + this was the time when ppl when that H virus (forgot what it was called..) was in the news.. so i always covered my face with those sars-mask thingy. Anyways another girl did it.. and she said IT DAMN HURTS. And it didnt even deswell her nose that much. This is a real natural material.. let it do its course and dont do any steriod injection on it. plus i research there is side effects (tho again... rare stuff) ouch sounds painful tho.
I dont think u should be going when your feeling sick..or if u have a sneeze.. (especially if u plan on using rib and since u said u were born with asthma like me) i was 110% healthy when i went.. i took care of myself the 2 months prior to going to surgery (note: stop all pills/supplements 2 weeks prior to your surgury date) IN MY OPINION, you should be physically, mentally prepared! (i also picked a date where i wouldnt be menstrating) i dunno thats just me.. loosing blood + surgery... would make me weak and pass out.. (i had low iron *anemic* problems when i was younger which cause me to get easily dizzy) So.. yeah.. plz plz plz girls... take care of yourself before you go!!! Perhaps thats another reason i didnt have pain problems either.. i dunno. ALso i only ate half the food given to me on the airplane since i knew my surgery date was the next day. (normally i would gobble everything on the plane cuz plane food is good LOL) yeah... just be super good to yourself.
Also ear / septum cartilage.. is TINYYYYYYYYY. Dont expect much height change. U can see many ppl who use ONLY those... it's only to straight their nose or add a bit of tip... there noses normally look the same, very natural though. But it's not for bridge work in my opinion.

 

[via]

vivi_bee said: ↑

too change topic a bit..
i forgot to say something... someone said something about the shot.. the shot that deswells your nose... i recommend NOT to do that. I think it's better to let your nose deswell on your own. I really didnt wanna do it.. prior to getting on the plane and i talk to 2 other girls.. 1 girl didnt do it.. and she said u wont feel any unfortornesss.. just cover your face. During that time it was winter + this was the time when ppl when that H virus (forgot what it was called..) was in the news.. so i always covered my face with those sars-mask thingy. Anyways another girl did it.. and she said IT DAMN HURTS. And it didnt even deswell her nose that much. This is a real natural material.. let it do its course and dont do any steriod injection on it. plus i research there is side effects (tho again... rare stuff) ouch sounds painful tho.
I dont think u should be going when your feeling sick..or if u have a sneeze.. (especially if u plan on using rib and since u said u were born with asthma like me) i was 110% healthy when i went.. i took care of myself the 2 months prior to going to surgery (note: stop all pills/supplements 2 weeks prior to your surgury date) IN MY OPINION, you should be physically, mentally prepared! (i also picked a date where i wouldnt be menstrating) i dunno thats just me.. loosing blood + surgery... would make me weak and pass out.. (i had low iron *anemic* problems when i was younger which cause me to get easily dizzy) So.. yeah.. plz plz plz girls... take care of yourself before you go!!! Perhaps thats another reason i didnt have pain problems either.. i dunno. ALso i only ate half the food given to me on the airplane since i knew my surgery date was the next day. (normally i would gobble everything on the plane cuz plane food is good LOL) yeah... just be super good to yourself.
Also ear / septum cartilage.. is TINYYYYYYYYY. Dont expect much height change. U can see many ppl who use ONLY those... it's only to straight their nose or add a bit of tip... there noses normally look the same, very natural though. But it's not for bridge work in my opinion.

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hey THANKS you're so thoughtful!
no,the sneeze..I mean..
AFTER your surgery,if you sneeze or something,does it bother your new nose?
Or it doesnt make any difference?

Yes im currently stopping on my supplement intake !
Thanks for telling!Did doctors usually did alarplasty when he did rhino?
I seee,so cartilge doesnt give you a much height change.
I really hope he can use my septal cartilage instead of ribs,im really scared with the ribs incision frankly!
though ribs > septal for height?

again thankyou vivi!you have no idea how helpful can your post be to me!
im having surgery around 6december so yeah your info is really great!
Thanks for sharing

 

[taeyang123]

vivi_bee said: ↑

too change topic a bit..
i forgot to say something... someone said something about the shot.. the shot that deswells your nose... i recommend NOT to do that. I think it's better to let your nose deswell on your own. I really didnt wanna do it.. prior to getting on the plane and i talk to 2 other girls.. 1 girl didnt do it.. and she said u wont feel any unfortornesss.. just cover your face. During that time it was winter + this was the time when ppl when that H virus (forgot what it was called..) was in the news.. so i always covered my face with those sars-mask thingy. Anyways another girl did it.. and she said IT DAMN HURTS. And it didnt even deswell her nose that much. This is a real natural material.. let it do its course and dont do any steriod injection on it. plus i research there is side effects (tho again... rare stuff) ouch sounds painful tho.
I dont think u should be going when your feeling sick..or if u have a sneeze.. (especially if u plan on using rib and since u said u were born with asthma like me) i was 110% healthy when i went.. i took care of myself the 2 months prior to going to surgery (note: stop all pills/supplements 2 weeks prior to your surgury date) IN MY OPINION, you should be physically, mentally prepared! (i also picked a date where i wouldnt be menstrating) i dunno thats just me.. loosing blood + surgery... would make me weak and pass out.. (i had low iron *anemic* problems when i was younger which cause me to get easily dizzy) So.. yeah.. plz plz plz girls... take care of yourself before you go!!! Perhaps thats another reason i didnt have pain problems either.. i dunno. ALso i only ate half the food given to me on the airplane since i knew my surgery date was the next day. (normally i would gobble everything on the plane cuz plane food is good LOL) yeah... just be super good to yourself.
Also ear / septum cartilage.. is TINYYYYYYYYY. Dont expect much height change. U can see many ppl who use ONLY those... it's only to straight their nose or add a bit of tip... there noses normally look the same, very natural though. But it's not for bridge work in my opinion.

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Hey it was me who mentioned the steroid injection thingy to deswell the nose. I heard the surgeon injects it after the surgery. Does it rlly hurt tht bad? I thought it would be like getting a normal needle. What are some of the side effects? R they scary? I was thinking of having it done cuz I heard it can tke like 6 months to 2 years for the swelling to go down with rib rhinoplasty, seems like a rlly long time. I have hyper-pigmentation so I'm also worried about the scaring tht will be on my face/nose. I heard tht steroid injections r used to also reduce scaring. Any info would be good if u kno any

 

[pikami]

Well, It seems no one coming to Seoul this Xmas Holiday!!!
Anyway, thank you u guys for a lot of useful information.
To Korean boy: Hi ya, r u still in Seoul? Will u stay there during xmas holiday?

 

[bbgurly]

Thats great!!!!! You arriving on the 6th???? Please do come and look me up? I should be recovering quite well already and we can be there for you during your op.

Are you coming alone or with someone else?

townstory said: ↑

Hey BBgurly, I have confirmed my dates with JoAnn today. I will arrive at Korea on 6th and will have my surgery on 8th. I actually hoped that they can book me in a bit earlier, but they are so fully booked. So from next week onwards they only have 7th, 8th and 9th December available. But anyway, my plan is finally solid set and we will have an opportunity to meet up as well yeah!!! I can totally understand that ur feelings. I am the same, so excited, so expecting and so nervous as well. Lol

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[bbgurly]

Izora,
Do you know if the officetel at VIP provides internet access, laundry service?

 

[pinkballet]

koreanboy said: ↑

Hey everyone, I just deleted my pictures from that photobucket site. If any of you want to see them and didn't get a chance to, feel free to send me a private message on here and I'll email them to you!

Also, I'm pretty sure I'm the only Korean person on this message board who lives in Korea and speaks Korean, so I'd be happy to do any translating of websites or looking around websites for certain information if any of you need it. I have a national ID number so I can register for all these different websites, too~ and I'm a member of all the Korean plastic surgery message boards (they're HUGE! with like 500,000 members who all share tons of info) so I can let you know what Koreans say about certain clinics or doctors in case you're interested. Lastly, since I live in Seoul, I can answer any questions you have about various neighborhoods or hotels or what's the best way to get around for whatever you need. Let me know if I can help any of you!

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Hi Koreanboy!

Thanks for the informative write-up from the start till the end! I really appreciated the details, and it helps me to prepare for the rhinoplasty i've been wanting to get since forever! Thank you

Just a couple of questions!

1) I'd be going in March 2011 (start of Spring, I suppose?) and it's my first time...I'll be bringing a girlfriend of mine along but she isn't doing the surgery...just accompanying me and keeping me entertained. Would you think 2 weeks is sufficient for total recovery? How would the weather be like over there during that period you'd reckon?

2) What does the Wonjin website state for the prices for a nose job that just requires a height increase in the nose bridge? (I'm so sorry for being that specific, gotta be clear and precise about these kinda things, and working my budget around it...hehe )

3) What's your email address? Could you send me your pictures before and after the surgery? Gotta drop a few more questions....REALLY WANNA SAY A BIG THANK YOU for offering Korean translation to poor English-speaking souls like me.....

 

[quad8s]

Looking for good surgeon in U.S. for asian rhinoplasty

Hi, I know there has been some discussion about Dr. Anil Shah in Chicago in the forum but has anyone had surgery with him and/or know someone who has had surgery with him? I am especially curious as to why he charges relatively little for his primary rhinoplasties (between $2K - $6K). The few posts I could find on him on the other forums says he doesn't use implants, has natural results and is very caring and good. I have a consult with him in early December and any information about him and his techniques would be appreciated. Thank you!

 

[mizliz]

koreanboy said: ↑

I also want to remind people that there are some other types of cartilage grafts besides rib that are much more commonly used in nose jobs and much less complicated.

I myself have an ear cartilage graft in my nose. Taking the cartilage from my ear added only about 5-10 minutes to my surgery time. I think I mentioned in my "blog" that I was actually awake while they took the cartilage out my ear... that's how simple it was! AND I think it looks great - you can judge for yourself in the pictures from my other posts.

I think the most commonly used natural grafting material is septal cartilage from inside the nose. This doesn't even require any additional incisions or procedures/recovery since they're already inside your nose for your rhinoplasty.

For those of you considering cartilage grafts but are wary of the invasive and comparatively complex/complicated nature of rib surgery, ear cartilage and septal cartilage are two much more common and less complex alternatives.

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I'm pretty sure when people mention rib cartilage, it's not JUST rib cartilage. In my circumstance, there will be additional septal and ear cartilage for the tip. But in terms of raising the bridge, this is done by rib.

 

[mizliz]

koreanboy said: ↑

You know, there's been so much discussion of using rib cartilage on this message board, and I think that's mostly because there are a couple of people on this board who got revision nose jobs with rib and have been very vocal in talking about it, to the point of convincing others to consider using rib as well. But it's quite surprising that so many of you are considering rib, though, especially for your primary rhinoplasties (meaning first nose job, not a revision of a previous nose job) - because the reality is that rib is actually by far the LEAST commonly used grafting material (after synthetic implants and ear/septal cartilage) and is by far the most difficult and complicated grafting material to use.

Other people have discussed the advantages of rib, but I think they're being a little irresponsible and misleading because they never discuss the significant negatives and drawbacks of rib. So to present a balanced view to you all, I thought I'd just copy and paste a bunch of stuff written by plastic surgeons who specialize in rhinoplasty that discusses the significant downsides of rib. I'm not trying to make an argument or create my own evidence - I'm simply showing you stuff that other doctors have already written about rib.

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FIRST, these surgeons say that rib USUALLY ISN'T USED IN RHINOPLASTY unless it's a complicated revision of a bad previous nose job that requires a significant amount of reconstruction - in that sense, rib is the "LAST RESORT" of nose jobs, NOT something used for a "first try":

http://www.realself.com/question/revisions-require-rib-graft
"Most revisions don't require a rib graft. Rib grafts are only used when all else is not available and the defect is very large."

http://www.realself.com/question/Rib-or-ear-cartilage-for-Rhinoplasty-Ear-cartilage-is-my-first-choice
"Ear cartilage is my first choice. The reason experienced rhinoplastic surgeons use more ear cartilage grafts than rib is that we feel that ear cartlage is easy to get, minimal discomfort, no cosmetic deformity, can be taken with skin, cheaper to do, etc."

http://www.realself.com/question/rib-cartilage-rhinoplasty-procedures
"Rib cartilage is used for rhinoplasty procedures in the event that there is no internal nasal septal cartilage or ear cartilage available."

http://www.realself.com/question/type-cartilage-rhinoplasty-depends
"If you need a lot of cartilage then I typically use rib or goretex which is an implant with a very low rate of complications. I however rarely have to take rib cartilage and can usually find some septal cartilage to work with even after multiple revisions, and with ear cartilage can usually fix whatever is the issue."

http://www.realself.com/question/Just-one-arrow-in-the-quiver-Is-rib-cartilage-new-for-Rhinoplasty
"[Rib is used] Most likely for more invasive problems that require a large amount of material."

(...and lower on the page...)

"I personally use rib for very specific circumstances, almost always in very complex revision surgery when a lot of cartilage is needed for support."

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And SECOND, here are the doctors discussing the many problems associated with rib cartilage:

http://www.realself.com/question/rib-cartilage-grafting-revision-rhinoplasty
"Drawbacks of Rib Cartilage Include:

-Rendency to warp (curve). This can make the result unpredictable.
-Nose may feel firm or inflexible.

Potential Risks of Rib Cartilage Harvest:

-Bleeding
-Scarring
-Pain
-Infection
-Collapsed lung (pneumothorax)
-Chest wall deformity"

http://www.realself.com/question/rib-cartilage-risks-rhinoplasty
"First of all, there is the risk of lung collapse during the harvest of the implant (assuming it is going to be your own and not a cadaver rib). Once placed, with healing if not secured properly the rib can migrate, leaving asymmetries and other cosmetic problems of the nose. Lastly, the rib can fail to secure, becoming a moveable piece under the nasal skin."

(...and lower on the page...)

"The risks that go along with rib harvesting and rib grafts include a depression in the area of your chest where the rib section was removed, a possibility of a pneumothorax which is a mild injury to your lung, and possible warping of the cartilage in its new position."

http://www.realself.com/question/rib-grafts-rhinoplasty-revised
"Rib grafts in rhinoplasty to build up the bridge of the nose can cause unexpected problems. Any visible graft under the nasal skin can show imperfections or irregularities not apparent at the time of surgery, and rib cartilage can warp or shift, or the correction may have just been too great from the start."

http://www.realself.com/question/Rib-cartilage-grafts-for-Rhinoplasty-Rib-cartilage-can-warp-with-time
"Other risks for the procedure are similar for all implants and include: asymmetry, palpability of the cartilage, visibility of the cartilage, early reabsorption (for cartilage/soft tissue implants only), calcification, infection, and unsatisfactory cosmetic outcome.

Also, you will have a donor site near the crease of your breast to harvest the rib cartilage. People complain of post-op rib pain. You can get a fluid collection so a drain needs to be placed. Finally, in rare cases, you can pop the lung while trying to remove a segment of rib cartilage. This needs to diagnosed and treated immediately with a chest tube placement."

http://www.realself.com/question/Just-one-arrow-in-the-quiver-Is-rib-cartilage-new-for-Rhinoplasty
"This type of cartilage has a tendency to warp."

(...and lower on the page...)

"Harvesting rib cartilage requires a scar on the chest, may cause several weeks of pain and can even puncture a lung. Once transferred to the nose, although usually a solid, long lasting material, the graft can change shape or even dissolve somewhat."

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So, in conclusion, I think that some of the posters on this board who keep talking about rib have been sort of irresponsibly mis-representing it as a great idea for EVERYONE regardless of their original nose with very little risk for complications. And of course, rib has advantages and works best for certain individuals. But the reality is that 1) it's very rarely used by rhinoplasty specialist doctors, and only in rare "LAST RESORT" circumstances where there was a previously botched nose job that requires a TON of reconstruction and there are no other options left available and 2) there are quite a number of significant complications.

Further, I just think that using rib cartilage in your nose makes the surgery a HUGE, HUGE procedure with a risk of severe lung complications requiring a chest tube, and I doubt that many of you want to be risking this in a foreign country.

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Your sample batch of quotes is biased. They are all american doctors, whose patients are most undoubtedly white. Caucasians do not generally have a lacking dorsum and a wide tip and alars. (I only clicked first couple links, pretty sure they're all white doctors, just sayin) Their experience in doing rib augmentation is limited. I am not saying that rib is the only option. In no way am I conveying that it's my way or the highway type of circumstance. But I think we can both agree that everyone should do their own research and balance the pros and cons at their own discretion.

Btw, I loled@ people experience post-op rib pain. derp derp derp, orly?
If people want to see more studies. Some using irradiated cartilage, auricular cartilage, etc.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2884862/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15277829
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1097/00005537-200206000-00006/full
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1749-4486.2009.02038.x/abstract

Pretty interesting.