Revisional double eyelids surgery

[oceanbelle]

Sadeyes said: ↑

Hello all! I am back from Korea and wanted to share my story. I will try to make this as detailed and efficient as possible.

Problem: Too high and deep of a crease. Crease was made at 10mm and platform show of eyelid (at rest and looking straight) was approx 4mm each eye. My eyes were also hollow, outfolded, and no extra skin to revise. One year post op.

Goal: Find a PS to lower the crease, thin out the line, create an in-out fold, as well as conduct the non-skin excision technique. I used to have natural 2mm of eyelid show and my ultimate goal was just to have my old eyes back.

IOU

Dr. Kang is known for the lowering technique without skin excision and fat grafting. He does a great job; however, I felt that his after photos on his website were more of a monolid-look than I’d prefer. Also, a couple of others have reviewed on here that their eyelids are now too low after Kang revised. I realized that Dr. Kang probably prefers a lower look overall, and with that in mind, I met with him. Dr. Kang is very friendly and patient. They said they had an English speaking dermatologist but when I met her (I’m not sure if she was the dermatologist but they said she was), her English was pretty limited. Although she is extremely nice Anyway, I showed a pic of my old eyes to Kang and he recommended to lower to 6mm, ptosis correction of both eyes, and 0.2cc of fat injection to each eyelid. I was surprised he recommended ptosis, and he told me that the initial DES is what gave me ptosis and that I didn’t have it before. Wow. Quoted $5100 but the English Derm lowered it to $5000 for me. Later on that day, they emailed and lowered it to $4700 USD.

BIO

Met with Dr. Cho because he seems to also be well known for eyelid revisions. Showed him my photos and he suggested to excise about 2mm of skin. I asked if he could do the non-fat grafting technique and he didn’t say that he couldn’t but just replied that skin excision should be good for me. I asked him about ptosis. He said I didn’t necessarily need it but he could do it. ??? He quoted me $6000 USD for the procedure and $7100 USD if I wanted ptosis correction. Umm…no thank you. Moving on!

Banobagi – Dr. Lee

Finally English speaking staff!!!! There was a Chinese coordinator and the interpreter; however, they both spoke English pretty well. The meeting with them was the best consult out of the three. I was able to fully explain my concerns and my goals but only to the coordinators. The coordinators told Dr. Lee my case and he recommended to lower my crease to 6mm by fat graft and the non-skin excision procedure. I didn’t even get the chance to tell Dr. Lee that I’d like a 2mm show so I was surprised he recommended new crease cut of 6mm. Quote was $4000 USD.

Decision

Basically, Dr. Lee and Dr. Kang had both recommended the same exact surgery for me. Dr. Cho was no longer an option. Tossed and turned all night and I finally decided on Dr. Kang. Why? Well because with Dr. Kang, I had seen the direct results of his surgeries. At IOU Clinic, all after photos are from Dr. Kang. So I knew what he was and was not capable of, I guess. With Dr. Lee, Banobagi clinic is such a big clinic that I wasn’t sure the after photos (Only saw 1-2 photos) were directly a result of Dr. Lee’s work. Although the communication was great there, the communication was really between myself and the staff, not with Dr. Lee.

Surgery Day

Pretty simple surgery compared to the first. Went in and reviewed what it was I wanted. I actually pushed for 7mm cut instead of 6mm (again because Kang tends to be lower than I’d like). Dr. Kang said that at 7mm, people wouldn’t notice too much. I told him that it okay, I just want the end result to be 2mm of show and in-out. On that table, they gave some type of a hallucinogen during the fat extraction from my stomach then local for my eyes. During the last part of the procedure, I could feel the tugging, fat injections, sewing, and so forth. It hurt but I was able to tolerate it. I have a higher tolerance for gruesome scenes so I didn’t care. At recovery, blood was beginning to cake on my lids and blood kept dripping down like I was crying blood. Overall, I was fine and walking around. I think I even went to Millennium Casino that night. Stitches taken out at day 6 and pain-free!

Conclusion

Yay!!!! I love it!!! I look as close to my old self again as I can possibly get. The crease is noticeably lower, and not deep and thick. It has been two weeks and much of the bruising is gone. The swelling is minimal but still there. Only I notice the swelling. At rest, my lids show about 2.5-3.25mm and I think they will probably still lower somewhat. I no longer have to draw super thick black eyeliner. I have more area between my eyebrows and my eye lids. Even my mom says I look like myself again. Trust me, moms know the details of their baby’s faces very well. I know because I am a mother myself. The only thing is that it seems like I still have an out fold. L But one cannot expect to achieve 100% of what they want. That’s just impossible. People will always look for areas to improve. With that said, I am very pleased with my results so far. Now, I smile when I see a mirror instead avoiding them. I am happy to take pictures again. All thanks to the Big Guy above.

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Hi Sadeyes, what do you mean by outfolded and in-out fold?
Thanks.

 

[sadeyes]

Outfold is where the crease is parrellel and in-out fold is where the crease is a very tapered outfold. As the crease comes out toward the temple, the crease becomes larger. Hope that helps.

 

[minibunny]

SADEYES-
I was so happy to read your post. My first surgery made my eyelids too high and I was looking into getting a more monolid look at IOU.
Do you have any tips for patients going for a consultation? Any info I should bring/ask?
Since I'm most likely going to IOU it'd be great to get tips from one of their previous patients.

 

[minibunny]

SADEYES-

Also, was your original procedure incision or non-incision??
I'm worried Dr. Kang won't be able to correct mine as it was incision.

 

[sadeyes]

Hi minibunny

I emailed you back but your email address is no longer valid. Odd

 

[9874123]

Worries said: ↑

Hi dear friends, I had email Dr cho from bandoeye, his reply is experience enough, he sees my photo mention out my concern which was my medial area my front eyelid fold near my epi area is high n deep. He shares e same thinking as me. Dr Kim from BK dongyang clinic only mention I have to wait total 6mrhs for revision n prices for revision is 1.5 or double in price. Dr kwon from Teuim, he is nice n experience as well he say I'm still swelling need to wait another 3 mths to see it's recovery before doing any revision, hence if revision too early will have many complication thus needs 6-12mths to see final results. Indeed Dr Kim is v experience but he seems to be over pricely. Dr
kwon n dr cho r both sounds not so money minded.

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Hi worries, can I have dr chos email address please? Cos I can't find it. Much appreciated

 

[9874123]

Sadeyes said: ↑

Hi minibunny

I emailed you back but your email address is no longer valid. Odd

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Hi sadeyes,

Could you tell me the email address of dr cho from bandoeyes? Thanks a lot xx

 

[jly8]

Eyelid_revision said: ↑

Dear girls,

I went to Seoul last April for my eyelid revision surgery. I had the following problems with my previous double eyelid surgery with Dr. Charles Lee in Los Angeles:

1) Dr. Charles Lee made my folds too high and too round shaped that they didn't look natural
2) He made my folds too deep and it caused ECTROPION (the inner eyelids are turned out too much and don't look good)
3) Asymmetric folds

Even though Dr. Charles Lee did a revision surgery for me, he couldn't fix the problems. In fact, I became worse off as too many operated eyes become much more difficult for future revisions for natural looking results. I also lost a lot of my muscles that lift my eyelids and also too much scarring and depressed area in my eyelids. Dr. Charles Lee is the one of the worst people in their profession - he should not have become a doctor.

With this desperation, agony, and problems that were caused by incompetent, poorly skilled Dr. Charles Lee, I went to Seoul to search for a solution for my eyelid revision. I consulted with several doctors, and I learned from talking to them that eye revisions require much more skills and experiences than the first time double eyelid surgeries. Not all doctors could do revisions well. I would be better off finding someone who specializes in eye revisions and someone who could fix the problems I was having.

Here is some notes I made about some doctors regarding eye revisions:

1) Dr. Byun Gun Kim at BK - He told me straight out that he could not fix my "too deep folds and ectropion issues". He was giving an excuse like "your skin is too thick". He also said I should expect a little asymmetry even after a revision. He could pretty much only lower my folds. Since he was not that skilled, I opted for other doctors. His rate was the lowest among all the doctors I consulted with, which is somewhat reflects and is fair for his incompetency - $2500

2) Dr. Jyoung at Banobagi - He basically said he could lower my folds and also do something extra - ptosis correction. The issue here is that I do not have ptosis. I felt like it was his thing to do ptosis corrections even if patients don't have that much issue with it just for the sake of bigger eye effect, except I didn't want bigger eyes. I wanted smaller folds and fix my other problems. I was looking for more natural looking eye, rather than unnatural, dramatic, asymmetric eyes that Dr. Charles Lee had created. Dr. Jyoung didn't say anything about ectropion, deep folds so I pretty much crossed him out from my list. His rate was $3200 after all the discount.

3) VIP Clinic - Dr. Lee here is well known for nose and nose revisions, not so much for eye revisions. You'd better go somewhere else for eye revisions.

4) Dr. Cho at Bando Eye Clinic - he specializes in eye and eye revisions only. He is very well regarded in many Korean websites (my Korean friends checked him out for me) for his eye revision works. He is the most expensive though. However, I was looking for solve all my problems, not bargain hunting for fixing only half of the problems. Even during the consultation, he pointed out all the problems I had and said he could fix them all. Check out his website too - he spells out each problems he could fix. I felt that other doctors just say they do revisions but in fact, there are many areas they can not fix (ectropion, deep folds, asymmetry, etc.)

So, I chose Dr. Cho for my eye revisions. It has been a week since my eyelid revision surgery, and I can already tell that my problems are fixed - my folds are smaller (even though I have swollen eyes, I could just tell they are smaller already), my folds are shallower and look more natural, my ectropion issue looks much better now, and my asymmetry looks fixed. I am HAPPY about my results so far. I think that from now on, my eyes will look even better and more natural...finally, I am smiling after all these problems...I should have come to Seoul in the first place, not Dr. Charles Lee or anyone else in the states. I consulted several doctors in the states who specialize in Asian eyelid surgeries and based on what doctors in Seoul here say and what they were saying in the states, I could tell that doctors in Seoul are much better and much advanced in their technique and knowledge.

I know that there are so many girls out there (some are victims of Dr. Charles Lee whom I think he should stop operating on girls and mutilating their faces with mediocre and half baked jobs) who are wondering about eye revisions. The above are my experiences, and I wanted to share this with you. I had the same agony with my eyelid issues plus the problem of not knowing the Korean language and the best doctors in Seoul. However, I have now fixed my problems with the help of a good doctor, and I highly recommend Dr. Cho at Bando Eye Clinic to the girls who are looking to fix "all of your eye revision problems" and would not compromise with "half revisions" with other doctors like BK's Dr. Kim or others.

I am writing this out of my good heart to help those who need help. We need to help each other.

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Thank you for posting this. I am going to Seoul for my first eyelid surgery in December at Bk.
From your post it sounds like you have been through so much. But I'm glad you finally got the results you was after

 

[minibunny1]

Sadeyes said: ↑

Hi minibunny

I emailed you back but your email address is no longer valid. Odd

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Ah, sorry about that sadeyes. It was an email account I created to post on this forum and then deleted. Here's a new email if you wouldn't mind emailing me again: minibunny291@ gmail.com. Thanks

 

[choco_pie]

Sadeyes said: ↑

Hello all! I am back from Korea and wanted to share my story. I will try to make this as detailed and efficient as possible.

Problem: Too high and deep of a crease. Crease was made at 10mm and platform show of eyelid (at rest and looking straight) was approx 4mm each eye. My eyes were also hollow, outfolded, and no extra skin to revise. One year post op.

Goal: Find a PS to lower the crease, thin out the line, create an in-out fold, as well as conduct the non-skin excision technique. I used to have natural 2mm of eyelid show and my ultimate goal was just to have my old eyes back.

IOU

Dr. Kang is known for the lowering technique without skin excision and fat grafting. He does a great job; however, I felt that his after photos on his website were more of a monolid-look than I’d prefer. Also, a couple of others have reviewed on here that their eyelids are now too low after Kang revised. I realized that Dr. Kang probably prefers a lower look overall, and with that in mind, I met with him. Dr. Kang is very friendly and patient. They said they had an English speaking dermatologist but when I met her (I’m not sure if she was the dermatologist but they said she was), her English was pretty limited. Although she is extremely nice Anyway, I showed a pic of my old eyes to Kang and he recommended to lower to 6mm, ptosis correction of both eyes, and 0.2cc of fat injection to each eyelid. I was surprised he recommended ptosis, and he told me that the initial DES is what gave me ptosis and that I didn’t have it before. Wow. Quoted $5100 but the English Derm lowered it to $5000 for me. Later on that day, they emailed and lowered it to $4700 USD.

BIO

Met with Dr. Cho because he seems to also be well known for eyelid revisions. Showed him my photos and he suggested to excise about 2mm of skin. I asked if he could do the non-fat grafting technique and he didn’t say that he couldn’t but just replied that skin excision should be good for me. I asked him about ptosis. He said I didn’t necessarily need it but he could do it. ??? He quoted me $6000 USD for the procedure and $7100 USD if I wanted ptosis correction. Umm…no thank you. Moving on!

Banobagi – Dr. Lee

Finally English speaking staff!!!! There was a Chinese coordinator and the interpreter; however, they both spoke English pretty well. The meeting with them was the best consult out of the three. I was able to fully explain my concerns and my goals but only to the coordinators. The coordinators told Dr. Lee my case and he recommended to lower my crease to 6mm by fat graft and the non-skin excision procedure. I didn’t even get the chance to tell Dr. Lee that I’d like a 2mm show so I was surprised he recommended new crease cut of 6mm. Quote was $4000 USD.

Decision

Basically, Dr. Lee and Dr. Kang had both recommended the same exact surgery for me. Dr. Cho was no longer an option. Tossed and turned all night and I finally decided on Dr. Kang. Why? Well because with Dr. Kang, I had seen the direct results of his surgeries. At IOU Clinic, all after photos are from Dr. Kang. So I knew what he was and was not capable of, I guess. With Dr. Lee, Banobagi clinic is such a big clinic that I wasn’t sure the after photos (Only saw 1-2 photos) were directly a result of Dr. Lee’s work. Although the communication was great there, the communication was really between myself and the staff, not with Dr. Lee.

Surgery Day

Pretty simple surgery compared to the first. Went in and reviewed what it was I wanted. I actually pushed for 7mm cut instead of 6mm (again because Kang tends to be lower than I’d like). Dr. Kang said that at 7mm, people wouldn’t notice too much. I told him that it okay, I just want the end result to be 2mm of show and in-out. On that table, they gave some type of a hallucinogen during the fat extraction from my stomach then local for my eyes. During the last part of the procedure, I could feel the tugging, fat injections, sewing, and so forth. It hurt but I was able to tolerate it. I have a higher tolerance for gruesome scenes so I didn’t care. At recovery, blood was beginning to cake on my lids and blood kept dripping down like I was crying blood. Overall, I was fine and walking around. I think I even went to Millennium Casino that night. Stitches taken out at day 6 and pain-free!

Conclusion

Yay!!!! I love it!!! I look as close to my old self again as I can possibly get. The crease is noticeably lower, and not deep and thick. It has been two weeks and much of the bruising is gone. The swelling is minimal but still there. Only I notice the swelling. At rest, my lids show about 2.5-3.25mm and I think they will probably still lower somewhat. I no longer have to draw super thick black eyeliner. I have more area between my eyebrows and my eye lids. Even my mom says I look like myself again. Trust me, moms know the details of their baby’s faces very well. I know because I am a mother myself. The only thing is that it seems like I still have an out fold. L But one cannot expect to achieve 100% of what they want. That’s just impossible. People will always look for areas to improve. With that said, I am very pleased with my results so far. Now, I smile when I see a mirror instead avoiding them. I am happy to take pictures again. All thanks to the Big Guy above.

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Hi Sadeyes, I'm so happy to hear that you are happy with the revision, I have very similar case to yours and would like to hear about your experience, since I'm new here cannot PM, could you email me at: [email protected] please, thanks so much! xx

 

[itsumobaby]

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[itsumobaby]

cherryzz said: ↑

I'm still uncertain whether i should go for revision surgery which will be the 3rd time. but surgery will always have risk and might also have consequences in the future. I'm afraid that the result for new lowering method (non excisional, Dr.kang) will bring me more problems in the future such as triple eyelid. But i dont think i can live with what i have now and i also dont think that my eyes are gonna look better as i age. which to choose? live my life in sorrow forever or take the risk and bear the future consequences that might come?=( btw im only 24. would appreciate any opinion.

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hey I have EXACTLY the same problem as you and I am 24 as well, I am still not sure about things cuz if i do it it would be the 3rd revision and I am terrified of going under the knives with a worsen result, however I can live with my current eye neither, we should research and discuss things together since we are going throught the same phrase, if you want

 

[itsumobaby]

Sadeyes said: ↑

Wow, seems like so many people are experiencing the high fold problem like me. Mine is also very deep. Anyway, just wanted to share that I'll be leaving for Korea next week and meeting with Kang, Banobagi (although I still don't know which doctor), and Dr Cho of BIO. My crease is currently at 10mm cut and shows 4mm when I look straight. Ugh!

I'm aiming for 2 mm of show and would love any comments/ideas on how much to lower my crease. I'll keep you all posted on the progression. Feel free to PM me for specific questions if you have any and hopefully I can share anything beneficial. For quicker responses, leave your email on the PM

Thanks in advance everyone and send your prayers my way!!!

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Hi I have just came across your forum and I am so happy to find someone like me and had managed to get their eyes fixed! i have been super upset and down for many months because of my failed eye job, would you be kind and share your experience with me? that would mean so much to me thank you!!

 

[itsumobaby]

Eyelid_revision said: ↑

Dear girls,

I went to Seoul last April for my eyelid revision surgery. I had the following problems with my previous double eyelid surgery with Dr. Charles Lee in Los Angeles:

1) Dr. Charles Lee made my folds too high and too round shaped that they didn't look natural
2) He made my folds too deep and it caused ECTROPION (the inner eyelids are turned out too much and don't look good)
3) Asymmetric folds

Even though Dr. Charles Lee did a revision surgery for me, he couldn't fix the problems. In fact, I became worse off as too many operated eyes become much more difficult for future revisions for natural looking results. I also lost a lot of my muscles that lift my eyelids and also too much scarring and depressed area in my eyelids. Dr. Charles Lee is the one of the worst people in their profession - he should not have become a doctor.

With this desperation, agony, and problems that were caused by incompetent, poorly skilled Dr. Charles Lee, I went to Seoul to search for a solution for my eyelid revision. I consulted with several doctors, and I learned from talking to them that eye revisions require much more skills and experiences than the first time double eyelid surgeries. Not all doctors could do revisions well. I would be better off finding someone who specializes in eye revisions and someone who could fix the problems I was having.

Here is some notes I made about some doctors regarding eye revisions:

1) Dr. Byun Gun Kim at BK - He told me straight out that he could not fix my "too deep folds and ectropion issues". He was giving an excuse like "your skin is too thick". He also said I should expect a little asymmetry even after a revision. He could pretty much only lower my folds. Since he was not that skilled, I opted for other doctors. His rate was the lowest among all the doctors I consulted with, which is somewhat reflects and is fair for his incompetency - $2500

2) Dr. Jyoung at Banobagi - He basically said he could lower my folds and also do something extra - ptosis correction. The issue here is that I do not have ptosis. I felt like it was his thing to do ptosis corrections even if patients don't have that much issue with it just for the sake of bigger eye effect, except I didn't want bigger eyes. I wanted smaller folds and fix my other problems. I was looking for more natural looking eye, rather than unnatural, dramatic, asymmetric eyes that Dr. Charles Lee had created. Dr. Jyoung didn't say anything about ectropion, deep folds so I pretty much crossed him out from my list. His rate was $3200 after all the discount.

3) VIP Clinic - Dr. Lee here is well known for nose and nose revisions, not so much for eye revisions. You'd better go somewhere else for eye revisions.

4) Dr. Cho at Bando Eye Clinic - he specializes in eye and eye revisions only. He is very well regarded in many Korean websites (my Korean friends checked him out for me) for his eye revision works. He is the most expensive though. However, I was looking for solve all my problems, not bargain hunting for fixing only half of the problems. Even during the consultation, he pointed out all the problems I had and said he could fix them all. Check out his website too - he spells out each problems he could fix. I felt that other doctors just say they do revisions but in fact, there are many areas they can not fix (ectropion, deep folds, asymmetry, etc.)

So, I chose Dr. Cho for my eye revisions. It has been a week since my eyelid revision surgery, and I can already tell that my problems are fixed - my folds are smaller (even though I have swollen eyes, I could just tell they are smaller already), my folds are shallower and look more natural, my ectropion issue looks much better now, and my asymmetry looks fixed. I am HAPPY about my results so far. I think that from now on, my eyes will look even better and more natural...finally, I am smiling after all these problems...I should have come to Seoul in the first place, not Dr. Charles Lee or anyone else in the states. I consulted several doctors in the states who specialize in Asian eyelid surgeries and based on what doctors in Seoul here say and what they were saying in the states, I could tell that doctors in Seoul are much better and much advanced in their technique and knowledge.

I know that there are so many girls out there (some are victims of Dr. Charles Lee whom I think he should stop operating on girls and mutilating their faces with mediocre and half baked jobs) who are wondering about eye revisions. The above are my experiences, and I wanted to share this with you. I had the same agony with my eyelid issues plus the problem of not knowing the Korean language and the best doctors in Seoul. However, I have now fixed my problems with the help of a good doctor, and I highly recommend Dr. Cho at Bando Eye Clinic to the girls who are looking to fix "all of your eye revision problems" and would not compromise with "half revisions" with other doctors like BK's Dr. Kim or others.

I am writing this out of my good heart to help those who need help. We need to help each other.

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Hi I am looking for a good revisional eye surgeon and I was wondering if the scars of your eyes has been fixed and do you have a personal email address that I could email to? Thank you so much !!

 

[cherryzz]

hello everyone!
anyone going to korea during january and looking for someone to share accommodation? i dont wanna travel alone. pm me! =)