Asian Nose Job 3

[ladybugz]

Nuevo said: ↑

ladybugs, thank you for the hopeful words. How far out are you post-op?
Did it really change that much from 4 months to the year?
How much softer does your nose tip get (assuming you've had ear cartilage graft)?

The unfortunate thing was that my nose was not straight immediately after surgery. How many months did it take for your nose to straighten out?

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Hi Nuevo,

Even after a couple of months, the tip still got rock hard and HUGE (like, pre-nose-job huge) whenever I ate really badly the night before. Then I'd eat really healthy for a few days, and it'd go back to being soft and natural. I also noticed a tendency for the nostrils/columella to go crooked whenever it was hard, and then it would go straight once my nose softened up and de-swelled.

Thankfully, the doctors are right in that the crookedness comes from swelling -- in fact, I pinpointed the exact spot/bump (?) inside my nose where it became hardened during my "swell days," and it would lean to the left side due to the weight of the swollen areas.

It sounds like you've had a severe case of swelling. I'm not a doctor, but what you said about your upper lip and not being able to flare your nostrils sounds precisely like someone who (like myself) has had unusually extreme and long-lasting swelling. I, too, noticed that during my swollen days, my nose is as hard as a rock, but during my good days I've been able to not only flare my nostrils, but wrinkle my nose (and I had a 5 mm implant, so that says something). I know a lot of posters look and feel gorgeous like 1 month (or even a couple of weeks) after surgery, but not all of us heal that well or that quickly.

The shininess, unfortunately, is probably permanent and is a result of silicone, so if you don't like that, you'd have to get the implant replaced with rib or some other material.

Good luck!

 

[taeyang123]

bei said: ↑

Yeah his nose jobs are really pretty. By any chance do you know how much he usually charges for rhino.

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last time I talked with him which was quite a while ago he quoted me around 5000 usd or cnd i cant remember for rib rhinoplasty. i think the price also included nasal bone narrowing though. not bad compared to the high prices in some korean clinics.

 

[thuytrang]

compwhiz said: ↑

Has anyone heard of reputable plastic surgeons in Vietnam? Especially in Saigon. Vietnam is quickly becoming a developed country with lots of wealthy people with disposable income. Hmm

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yes, I'm VietNamese and now I'm planning to do nose surgery in Korea. Because allmost result after plastic surgery in VietNam so bad (

 

[gwen-t8]

ThuyTrang said: ↑

yes, I'm VietNamese and now I'm planning to do nose surgery in Korea. Because allmost result after plastic surgery in VietNam so bad (

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Wow, that bad?

 

[thuytrang]

Plastic Surgery in VietNam have big scandal. One doctor plastic surgery famous in VietNam, make patient died, and he throw dead body into river . Until now, everybody try to find dead body of her in river, but they can not find. Everybody are very shock, because : Why a doctor can do that.

So everybody in VietNam very scared, and don't believe to plastic surgery in VietNam

 

[karliee]

K Couture said: ↑

Problem with rib rhino that they don't tell you is the shape cannot be manipulated well. When i had my revision surgery i was unable to get beautiful straight line i had with my silicone. I ended up with a slightly bumpy and wonky nose because the shape wasn't nearly as perfect as a silicone implant and thus it also didnt sit right with the proper support. Given the choice i would have kept my slightly deviated nose as it was far more attractive. In fact no one else noticed the deviation but me.

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k couture where did you have your rib rhinoplasty and who removed it later?

 

[k-couture]

karliee said: ↑

k couture where did you have your rib rhinoplasty and who removed it later?

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I had that done in LA with Dr Charles Lee who was on the Tyra Banks show. He was absolutely awful. All marketing zero skill, I have yet to have it removed. But Im heading down to Seoul to get it taken out and replaced using a new rhino method next year. Went to several hospitals an clinics in gangnam in Nov and finally picked a place.

Anyways to answer your question, the rib bone used is defined as rib cartilage. There's also another method that uses Ear cartilage which is what I used.The ear cartilage method has poor shape control as its meant to give the appearance of height building through more volume. That method takes advantage of the thicker skin Asians have tend to hide the irregularity of the shape. It basically involves dicing the cartilage into small pieces and rolling it with scalp tissue.

Rib rhino is alot more invasive than the method i used and while the shape is more well supported than the ear cartilage, the shape will still never be as perfect as an artificial implant. It also has a higher chance of deviation because if you compare cartilage to silicone for example, silicone has an under surface that is designed to hold firmly to the implant site while cartilage harvested can only be manipulated to a certain degree.

Honestly if you have thicker asian skin, go with a simple silicone. Avoid goretex as it cannot be easily removed. If you have thin caucasian skin, go with the cartilage as caucasian skin has a higher rate of infection for artificial implants.

 

[moody]

ThuyTrang said: ↑

yes, I'm VietNamese and now I'm planning to do nose surgery in Korea. Because allmost result after plastic surgery in VietNam so bad ([/QUOTE

Im viet as well, and surgery in Vietnam is bad. But not only vietnam, theres a famous surgeon in Houston texas whos wife is always on those viet concert tapings...just as bad. People get it done cause its easy to communicate and affordable. I rather hire a translator and go to else where.

When are you planning to have your surgery? Im looking at jw in Korea for rhino

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[karliee]

K Couture said: ↑

I had that done in LA with Dr Charles Lee who was on the Tyra Banks show. He was absolutely awful. All marketing zero skill, I have yet to have it removed. But Im heading down to Seoul to get it taken out and replaced using a new rhino method next year. Went to several hospitals an clinics in gangnam in Nov and finally picked a place.

Anyways to answer your question, the rib bone used is defined as rib cartilage. There's also another method that uses Ear cartilage which is what I used.The ear cartilage method has poor shape control as its meant to give the appearance of height building through more volume. That method takes advantage of the thicker skin Asians have tend to hide the irregularity of the shape. It basically involves dicing the cartilage into small pieces and rolling it with scalp tissue.

Rib rhino is alot more invasive than the method i used and while the shape is more well supported than the ear cartilage, the shape will still never be as perfect as an artificial implant. It also has a higher chance of deviation because if you compare cartilage to silicone for example, silicone has an under surface that is designed to hold firmly to the implant site while cartilage harvested can only be manipulated to a certain degree.

Honestly if you have thicker asian skin, go with a simple silicone. Avoid goretex as it cannot be easily removed. If you have thin caucasian skin, go with the cartilage as caucasian skin has a higher rate of infection for artificial implants.

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Sorry to hear about your experience with Charles Lee - he has bad reviews. I'm confused - did you use rib or ear cartilage?

The technique of using diced ear cartilage wrapped in fascia can b unreliable. Some people see absorption and some have visible graft.

Are you willing to share pics? Where are you going in Gangnam? PM me?

 

[k-couture]

I havent had any absorption yet, tho Im hoping i do because the graft is very visible on me and the cartilage is semi pushing out. Im lucky i know how to cover it with make up lol. Im going to the Dream Clinic is Gangnam. Ill write a post tomorrow about my consultations in Seoul, what to look out for, how to select procedures so maybe that will help anyone looking to pick a clinic mot suitable to them

 

[depressed]

Nuevo said: ↑

Hi Depressed,

Let me tell you, I can very much relate to how you feel. I went on a bit of a rant on this thread a couple months back with how upset I was (and still am) with my rhinoplasty. I got a 4mm silicone implant, lateral osteotomy, alarplasty, a columella strut graft and ear cartilage graft on the nose tip. I'll be upfront and say that I should have done more research because I was floored when I found out exactly what was done. Sure, these are standard procedures but I should have probed my doctor for a more detailed explanation. On the other hand, they probably should have re-evaluated taking me on as a patient considering how hesitant I was, but that in and of itself is another story. So, I got my rhinoplasty done in Korea and back in Canada no one around me has noticed (as of yet) and even my ENT doctor said how well it was done - however, I am terribly unhappy, I absolutely hate it and feel I don't look like me. Like you, I was pretty confident with how I looked but always felt I could look better. My insecurities got the best of me and I got swept up with the cosmetic culture when I went to Korea this past summer. I'm hitting my mid 20's and it is the biggest regret of my life. There is nothing more heartbreaking than looking in the mirror and feeling disconnected with your own self.

Right now at the 4 month mark, a lot of the swelling has gone down with random small lumps coming and going in the area where they broke the bones. Like you, I could see the outline of my silicone implant and my bridge is super shiny all the time, even with my thick skin. The implant is also more slanted to one side, probably due to it being inserted from one of the nostrils through a closed procedure - this is driving me crazy, because in certain lighting, it is pretty obvious. For this reason, I also believe my nose is crooked (obvious when you at my nose from underneath). It's been crooked from the very beginning, and my doctor said it was swelling but I know for certain that this will not change. I can also feel the incision scar inside my nostril on my septum, which feels hard and sometimes whenever I wiggle my nose, I can feel the columella strut popping in and out; I feel self-conscious that my columella would look displaced if it doesn't pop back into place. On top of all this, I cannot flare my nostrils the same because the tip is solid, not that it matters too much aesthetically but it just brings into perspective how immalleable my tip is. And depending on the temperature, I could feel where the implant meets the tip. My last peeve is how long my upper lip looks now and it looks so unattractive in pictures when my mouth is static. This could be due to a combination of the nose tip being rotated upwards as well as the muscle incision to disconnect the nose tip with the upper lip. Had I known all these things would happen - never in a million years would I try fixing what wasn't broken. I am also particularly picky and highly observant, which is not helping me with this situation. I envy those who are able to easily accept what's given to them, which I found was the case with a lot of people in Korea with cosmetic surgery.

At the beginning, depression hit me hard and I put my family through a very rough time, especially with my mom. She was always against it, and although it was ultimately my choice, she feels responsible for it. The last few months, I was obsessive over my nose; I've read through hundreds of pages of these threads, posts on real self and makemeheal, as well as watched countless surgical videos of asian rhinoplasty. I wanted to reverse my procedure, or get everything taken out - all the grafts and at the very least, the implant. I don't want anything to be further harvested from my body. The most frightening thing is that the outcome of any surgical procedure is unpredictable. Even with all the research I've done, I haven't gotten answers I feel satisfied with or make me confident enough to go through a revision. Honestly, it's been difficult to find information on those who have had gone through an implant/graft removal. I'd rather keep my post-op nose than to have an even worse outcome, I don't think I could survive going through this psychological pain again.

Having said that, I was so distraught that my clinic, which is located in Gangnam, had scheduled a comped revision for me with my primary doctor for February 2014 - which would be at the 6 month mark. But as I mentioned before, I want to undergo a revision but I am terrified out of my mind. I'm considering just waiting out a full year and feeling things out at that time because I have psychologically gotten better. It's still a mental roller coaster as I do think about it every day and can't help but compare my old and new pictures, but there are also moments where I don't think about my nose, which has been making my life liveable.

If there was a chance I could have a successful revision with a satisfied ending, I would give any amount of money (even though I am broke as hell right now). Depressed, it's highly suggested that if you want to undergo a revision, your best option is to go back to your primary since they know what was done. Although 1 year post-op is the ideal time to get a revision, by 6 months most of the swelling should be gone and is the minimum time to wait for a safe operation. You mention that you felt you were too young to get this done; I had thoughts about getting my nose done on and off for several years. I only regret it now because things didn't turn out the way I expected it to, but had I not done it, I probably would have in the future. It is what it is now and merely a matter of acceptance and figuring out the next steps. Just know, you're not alone!!

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Oh my goodness, I think we are in the exact same situation! I felt like I could relate to every single thing you wrote, down to the bit about family (I force-talked my way into getting it done and every single day my mum will sigh and say she wish she had done whatever she could to stop me, even if it meant tying me down...).

 

[depressed]

Nuevo said: ↑

Hi Depressed,

Let me tell you, I can very much relate to how you feel. I went on a bit of a rant on this thread a couple months back with how upset I was (and still am) with my rhinoplasty. I got a 4mm silicone implant, lateral osteotomy, alarplasty, a columella strut graft and ear cartilage graft on the nose tip. I'll be upfront and say that I should have done more research because I was floored when I found out exactly what was done. Sure, these are standard procedures but I should have probed my doctor for a more detailed explanation. On the other hand, they probably should have re-evaluated taking me on as a patient considering how hesitant I was, but that in and of itself is another story. So, I got my rhinoplasty done in Korea and back in Canada no one around me has noticed (as of yet) and even my ENT doctor said how well it was done - however, I am terribly unhappy, I absolutely hate it and feel I don't look like me. Like you, I was pretty confident with how I looked but always felt I could look better. My insecurities got the best of me and I got swept up with the cosmetic culture when I went to Korea this past summer. I'm hitting my mid 20's and it is the biggest regret of my life. There is nothing more heartbreaking than looking in the mirror and feeling disconnected with your own self.

Right now at the 4 month mark, a lot of the swelling has gone down with random small lumps coming and going in the area where they broke the bones. Like you, I could see the outline of my silicone implant and my bridge is super shiny all the time, even with my thick skin. The implant is also more slanted to one side, probably due to it being inserted from one of the nostrils through a closed procedure - this is driving me crazy, because in certain lighting, it is pretty obvious. For this reason, I also believe my nose is crooked (obvious when you at my nose from underneath). It's been crooked from the very beginning, and my doctor said it was swelling but I know for certain that this will not change. I can also feel the incision scar inside my nostril on my septum, which feels hard and sometimes whenever I wiggle my nose, I can feel the columella strut popping in and out; I feel self-conscious that my columella would look displaced if it doesn't pop back into place. On top of all this, I cannot flare my nostrils the same because the tip is solid, not that it matters too much aesthetically but it just brings into perspective how immalleable my tip is. And depending on the temperature, I could feel where the implant meets the tip. My last peeve is how long my upper lip looks now and it looks so unattractive in pictures when my mouth is static. This could be due to a combination of the nose tip being rotated upwards as well as the muscle incision to disconnect the nose tip with the upper lip. Had I known all these things would happen - never in a million years would I try fixing what wasn't broken. I am also particularly picky and highly observant, which is not helping me with this situation. I envy those who are able to easily accept what's given to them, which I found was the case with a lot of people in Korea with cosmetic surgery.

At the beginning, depression hit me hard and I put my family through a very rough time, especially with my mom. She was always against it, and although it was ultimately my choice, she feels responsible for it. The last few months, I was obsessive over my nose; I've read through hundreds of pages of these threads, posts on real self and makemeheal, as well as watched countless surgical videos of asian rhinoplasty. I wanted to reverse my procedure, or get everything taken out - all the grafts and at the very least, the implant. I don't want anything to be further harvested from my body. The most frightening thing is that the outcome of any surgical procedure is unpredictable. Even with all the research I've done, I haven't gotten answers I feel satisfied with or make me confident enough to go through a revision. Honestly, it's been difficult to find information on those who have had gone through an implant/graft removal. I'd rather keep my post-op nose than to have an even worse outcome, I don't think I could survive going through this psychological pain again.

Having said that, I was so distraught that my clinic, which is located in Gangnam, had scheduled a comped revision for me with my primary doctor for February 2014 - which would be at the 6 month mark. But as I mentioned before, I want to undergo a revision but I am terrified out of my mind. I'm considering just waiting out a full year and feeling things out at that time because I have psychologically gotten better. It's still a mental roller coaster as I do think about it every day and can't help but compare my old and new pictures, but there are also moments where I don't think about my nose, which has been making my life liveable.

If there was a chance I could have a successful revision with a satisfied ending, I would give any amount of money (even though I am broke as hell right now). Depressed, it's highly suggested that if you want to undergo a revision, your best option is to go back to your primary since they know what was done. Although 1 year post-op is the ideal time to get a revision, by 6 months most of the swelling should be gone and is the minimum time to wait for a safe operation. You mention that you felt you were too young to get this done; I had thoughts about getting my nose done on and off for several years. I only regret it now because things didn't turn out the way I expected it to, but had I not done it, I probably would have in the future. It is what it is now and merely a matter of acceptance and figuring out the next steps. Just know, you're not alone!!

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Oh my goodness I honestly believe we are in the exaaact same situation! I could relate to every single thing you wrote, even down to the bit about family. I was talking to my mum that day and she told me that she wished she had done everything in her power, including tying me down, to stop me from going for surgery. She feels like she's responsible for giving me the "opportunity" to fly to Korea and get surgery, and in essence "ruining her beautiful daughter's face".

I am an intrinsic perfectionist too!! Funnily enough, there were some imperfections of my old nose (slightly deviated, wide alars) that didn't really bother me before I underwent rhinoplasty; I was only bothered by that "depression" on my bridge. But post-surgery, all these minor imperfections seem to have magnified. Meddling with the middle part of my nose and leaving everything else untouched kinda left it less harmonious than before. Despite not quite liking my old bridge, I realise now that it was the old bridge + bulbous nose combo that matched the rest of my nose and my face as a whole.

As for the part about obsession with research... me too! I've been researching so much but there's just so much more I "can't" know because I don't even know what EXACTLY was done to my nose to begin with, and what I can or can't do given these extenuating circumstances. I know how exactly I want my nose to look, I just don't know what it's going to take to get there. And I'm honestly too scared/traumatised to take the risk. Most days I tell myself that I look way better now than before but then I'll take selfies on my phone and make before & after collages with old photos in similar positions/lighting and I can't help but feel a pang of regret every time I see just how different I look to myself. Like you, looking in the mirror and not being able to recognise my own reflection is the most heart-breaking feelings I've ever had to experience.

I haven't contacted JW for a report on what was done but I probably will soon. I'm scared to go back to the same place. But I'm scared of going to a new place too. </3 I don't know what to do, I just wish I had a magic wand that could do it for me in a tap. I'm never undergoing any other type of cosmetic surgery from here on out; no matter how much I dislike something, I'm not going to risk losing a part of me ever again.

Thank you for your reply though, I feel like I finally have someone I can relate to.

 

[thuytrang]

Moody said: ↑

ThuyTrang said: ↑

yes, I'm VietNamese and now I'm planning to do nose surgery in Korea. Because allmost result after plastic surgery in VietNam so bad ([/QUOTE

Im viet as well, and surgery in Vietnam is bad. But not only vietnam, theres a famous surgeon in Houston texas whos wife is always on those viet concert tapings...just as bad. People get it done cause its easy to communicate and affordable. I rather hire a translator and go to else where.

When are you planning to have your surgery? Im looking at jw in Korea for rhino

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hi you...I'm planning to do nose surgery in Korea. Maybe I will choose WonJin or GranD.

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[thuytrang]

Moody said: ↑

ThuyTrang said: ↑

yes, I'm VietNamese and now I'm planning to do nose surgery in Korea. Because allmost result after plastic surgery in VietNam so bad ([/QUOTE

Im viet as well, and surgery in Vietnam is bad. But not only vietnam, theres a famous surgeon in Houston texas whos wife is always on those viet concert tapings...just as bad. People get it done cause its easy to communicate and affordable. I rather hire a translator and go to else where.

When are you planning to have your surgery? Im looking at jw in Korea for rhino

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Hey I will be landing in Korea on Feb. And you?

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[moody]

Moody said: ↑

Hey I will be landing in Korea on Feb. And you?

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I'm not sure, still looking around for doctors. I've never heard of granD before, but their b&a pics look amazing. how much are they quoting you for rhino?