vippatient Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Haha I'm getting mine done at the end of April!! >_< May not be the best choice but its free revision lol~~ Okay also this may be a weird question.. but how do you know if you had paranasal? When I went to VIP Dr.Lee suggested I get paranasal but after the consultation with the doc, I talked to Joann and it was too expensive so I declined. But when I woke up from the surgery I had a cut inside of my mouth under the top lip =s I don't understand why he would make that cut if not for paranasal and didnt wanna ask in case they charge me extra lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-couture Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 ummmm why do you have a cut there? that incision site is only for parasal or cheekbone work :S do not be afraid to ask if they did it to you. They have no legal authority to charge you. They can only charge you for procedures you approve on paper when signing the documentation. As i advised before, i would seriously think twice about getting a revision with someone who botched you because even if its free, there's a high chance of u getting botched again. By that point a 2nd revision would be very difficult to fix. Im going through a 2nd revision now so i wish i had been more careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vippatient Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 I dont know.. I think it may have been a misunderstanding and Dr.Lee did paranasal on me but I dont see any difference lol.. And uhm I guess so. I dont think he botched my nose though.. I still thinks it looks better than before but I just wish it was smaller. It's hard to operate on a thick skinned nose and achieve definition without making it bigger. I'm just hoping this time he can take out some cartilage so that the tip is lower and make the tip narrower, I just dont like the tip so high... I searched the forum and I actually found 4 other members who also went back to Dr.Lee for revision because they found their nose bridge/tip too big/high over the years. However all of them are rib patients, where I used ear+septal. But they never came back to share their results and stopped posting after lol.. Does anyone know what happened to kekekeke or like yellowsuitcase?? Perhaps that's a good thing cause most people usually come back to complain haha. Or maybe VIP kidnapped them. Either or lol XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vippatient Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Hey everyone who is considering Rhinoplasty at VIP: I really wish I did more research before going with VIP. Back when I had my surgery, there were only a few people who reviewed them so far. Mostly Kain as far as I can remember, who gave them glowing reviews. This topic has been mentioned before by many, but I just wanted to make sure since recently people seem to be interested in VIP, so want to make sure they don't make the same mistakes. I wish I had realized that VIP mostly did one type of nose: high, straight, large tip. Which imo is a great nose for a male.. However this type of nose does not suit my small, girly features at all. I wanted a nose that did not draw attention. Instead I got a nose that was like "BAM look at me im the biggest asian nose around". I did not have high expections at all, I would of been satisfied if my nose tip was just a little bit smaller. I told Dr.Lee I wanted to narrow my tip and make it more defined, but wanted to keep the general shape. I mostly trusted Dr.Lee to do whatever nose he thought was best for me. If you do not make it very specific what type of nose you want with Dr.Lee.. he WILL make you the same type of nose he's given everyone in this forum so far. (see # I think this is why so many people went back to get revision, because they wanted a small tip but got a big and high one. However, if you like the strong and high type, then by all means go for it Dr.Lee is a great surgeon for those types. But make sure you have the face structure to support it. This is also why they recommend everyone to have forehead and chin and paranasa surgeries - because they know they will give you a nose that does not suit your current features. Obviously the typical small asian face won't support a giant and defined nose, so it will look super odd and unsuited afterwards. Therefore, they want you to change the rest of your features so it can supposed and balance the nose they give you, instead of changing your nose in a way to support the rest of your features.(More $$ for them yay) That is just Dr.Lee's definition of beauty/perfection, so make sure it's in line with yours or you will not be happy =\ Now I have to go back to do forehead fat graft and cut my double eyelids bigger to balance out my now giant nose, and eventually I will have to get genioplasty. However even after photoshopping the best possible results with these procedures to see how I will look after, the nose is still way to big. I am planning to go to Dr.Lee and just tell him to make my nose as small as he can -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quick2014 Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Agree with K couture about going back. No way for me. Have mentioned this before, when you go to have face to face consult. Clinic pre-carved thousand of noses(silicone). Look around of each clinic- they all look the same- either straight or slightly curve but size wise - exactly same height& same size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliwish Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Hi, everyone! Did you miss me? It's been quite a while since my last visit here and there are two reasons I came back! First.. I'm terribly sorry to those who I couldn't reply the emails! That naver email was for just a temporary use(only for my ps journey, I've heard that using naver email kinda gives the clinics the impression that I'm familiar with Korea or have local friends or something, just in case they try to pull foreigner rip-off XD) Thus I didn't check that email box for a while after replying some emails from those who emailed me within 2 days from my post. Didn't think more would come gradually. Well I was wrong and I just found out that a lot of members have been emailing me until even today! To a few I could reply back but it kind of became too much and I don't want more people thinking that I've ignored them in the future so I just decided to post the surgeon's name. [FONT=바탕]I had my surgery by Dr.Kim Jae Hoon from April31 clinic. Some of my Chinese friends told me that he is like the best rhinoplasty surgeon [/FONT][FONT=바탕]in Korea so I did some research and went for it. Although I was happy with their b&a pics from their blogs, I still visited 3 other clinics just in case before I made my final decision. Anyways, I saw many mentioning the clinic's name that they had their surgeries with so I thought it would be ok to just mention the clinic's name. I really hope I don't get blocked because of my seconde reason that I came back here! Yes...I got greedy..now I want BA, LOL! It's like chapter 3 for me LOL. The information searching&sharing phase again! So it seems like I will be around for a while again my dear friends.[/FONT] [FONT=바탕]ps - Some emailed me sharing their current situation and ps history...I'm terribly sorry to hear about all the agony you have to go through. I was there, I know what it is like. Trust me, you are not alone and everything will work out! I really wish all the best in all of you's ps journey. But hope you don't get greedy like me after a successful surgery! I mean...look at my ID! I was so sincere and meant it when I first made that ID..when I was suffering from a failed surgery. But now I want to be happier LOL![/FONT] [FONT=바탕]ps 2 - Many asked for my frontal view picture so..[/FONT] somehow I cannot attach an image now! Oh, well I will send it through email to those who asked for it but pls do not share it with anybody else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extensive Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Hi guys, I would like to consolidate some information. It is difficult as there are many surgeons, and some surgeons specialise, making them good in some areas and not so good in others. I have created a list so we can rank them. Please just state who the surgeon you think is the best, from which clinic and in what area and a short write up of what he did for you and why you are happy with it. For example, Dr Park, from Dream, rhino, did my nose last year very pleased with results and his aftercare. I will consolidate the findings. THank you, Extensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-couture Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 look vippatient, what u have to understand is that kind of nose he gave you IS NOT WHAT SURGEONS AIM TO DO. No surgeon aims to give a patient a big nose. The aim to give the patient is more DEFINED nose. There's a huge difference. What you have described comes down to 2 factors a) cartilage has a common aesthetic side effect which includes what you are experiencing, unevenness asymmetry and bumps. This is regardless of what type of cartilage he used on you be it diced or undiced. Undiced has less chance of the bumps tho but the unevenness and hooked nose look and big nose look is a potential side effect b) only the most skilled and well trained surgeons at using cartilage grafts can achieve the same aesthetic look that silicone can on a regular basis. And Dr Lee at Vip is clearly not one of them. Not even a well known surgeon like toriumi is actually skilled enough to avoid those side effects i mentioned before. Also, you should know that if you opt to remove some of the cartilage, well.....that will be extremely difficult. The structure of the ear cartilage method does not allow a surgeon to remove it without causing unevenness. Even if he uses a more invasive method to remove some cartilage through open rhino, the scalp tissue around the cartilage has a high chance of dying and may not be reused. Which means more scalp may need to be harvested, causing more scarring on you and that will be emotionally problematic should results not turn out well. I myself am currently with a botched nose. I know what you mean when you said your current nose is better than the original. However it is still not what you paid for or wanted is it? You see i too feel my current nose is better than my original despite the bumps and unevenness and damage to the skin. Because before i had a flat low nose. This was the lesser of 2 evils but it should not be like that. I know this because before i used ear cartliage, i used silicone for my primary nose job and it was absolutely perfect and beautiful. The unfortunate situation was that i had gotten it done in thailand and instead of giving me a proper manufactured implant, they cut out a shape from a block of raw silicone and shoved one that was jagged at the side into my nose. This was causing me discomfort so i opted to remove it thinking cartilage was the be all end all. So again, my advice, do not go back to Dr Lee. It is your face no amount of free surgery can warrant such a risk is my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-couture Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Hi extensive, im actually going to dr park in May to do my nose. Can i ask if you used the ultra soft silicone method under the muscle or did he use auto dermis on you? And would you be willing to share with me privately before and after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vippatient Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Yes but your case was different than mine, its a lot easier to do bridge work than tip work. I did not have any work done on my bridge only my tip, so silicone is not really an option for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-couture Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 my bridge work was botched too. It was done using septum and ear cartilage. My nostrils are uneven and my nose has a slight hook depression down where the tip is. ummm not to sound rude or anything but r u sure u had no bridge work done? Your bridge looks completely different in the before and after pics u posted. i mean....you dont even know if u had paranasal is why im asking u this lol. Also, the cut in your upper lip that u mentioned, it might be that he wanted to begin with the paranasal work so he made an incision but then realized that it wasn't a procedure u paid for? If u had paranasal u should be able to feel the difference lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachygiraffe Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 hey guys, so I'm planning to get my first nose job this summer. Any suggestions on procedures? I want to fix my side profile, and still retain my front profile as much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icy-c Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Thanks I think my nose is really bulbous, the skin is really thick and really round. I don't have any breathing problems but it hurts whenever I push the side of my nose near the tip. I had a ct scan and the dr couldn't see any problems to do with sinuses or infection. I did some exploring in my nose, the position where it hurts is exactly where the septum ends. I did some research online and It seems like the septum is pushing against the side wall of my nose. I'm sort of worried about the silicone implant shifting. I am quite careless with my body (I bump into things a lot and even dropped my ipad mini on my face a few times haha) I'm not sure whether it's worth the risk :s would it be safer for me to just do the bulbous nose reduction and tip plasty? Is the tip plasty ipad proof? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espressolatte Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Best of luck, CrissyQ! I have the same long-term concerns as you and while reading back, I came across Dr. Wang. I was really disappointed that there was no followup from the one person that ultimately chose to do her rhinoplasty with him, so I will be interested in how your experiences go. My father asked a few colleagues from Dalian about Dr. Wang and while they did not comment on the reputation/skills of the doctor himself, they did say that in China, it tends to be more safe/reliable to do procedures with doctors from larger hospitals rather than private clinics. That, and a lack of reviews on Chinese forums has led me to decide on sticking to Korea. Again though, I cannot comment on Dr. Wang specifically, and his B&A pictures do look very nice! VIPpatient, thanks for the honest overview of your experiencesand I wish you the best in your revision! I would also have the same concerns as you about tip size since my face is also small. May be reconsidering there. K Couture, after consulting with a surgeon in Korea, he gave me an overview of his technique: via closed rhinoplasty, he will create a pocket above nasal bone and beneath muscle & periosteum to insert the implant. Is this the technique with Ultra Soft Silicone you were talking about, where the muscle keeps the silicone in place? I saw a photo of extruded I-shape implant in the area between the eyebrows, rather than the usual tip caused by L-shape *cringe* Did your doctor say anything about risk of extrusion even through the muscles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-couture Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 my surgeon is park yang soo from dream. Your surgeon is proposing the exact same method i am using for my revision. The purpose of this technique is to stop any shifting of protrusion of the implant. Its very odd that the photo you saw is extruded via the top. can you link the pictures so i can take a look? If yours is a virgin nose aka primary rhino you dont have to worry. I on the other hand have to because my nasal skin in the area between the eyesbrows is very thin and has been damaged by the cartilage graft i used for my revision rhino. Not to mention that my muscle might be damaged already because ive had 2 surgeries on my nose. The more surgeries you have the higher the risk of muscle damage. I actually consulted my surgeon here in Melbourne who advised me that while that method does work well with a surgeon who is trained in closed rhino, for me personally i need to take into consideration my muscle may already be damaged and may not offer sufficient hold or protection as yours would. Which surgeon have u consulted with btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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