kimmmy78 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 This is great! Are there any April travellor? I don't seem to notice any? Yes I have booked mine! Pls let's meetup fpr support!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmiknox Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 In other words, it makes your eyes look longer from the side view. Doesn't do much for the front view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmiknox Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I just found another clinic for anyone interested:AONE Plastic and Aesthetic Surgeryhttp://eng.aone.ac/ Update: Can't view half of the website unless you join up as a member. Although you can't type in the input box. What in the actual f*ck? Anyone manage to register? Update 2: Hit the TAB key to navigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hongkongphooey Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Yes I know about ptosis surgery but I'm not a candidate for this surgery as my upper eyelids don't droop down but it is a typical Asian trait and there are many clinics in Korea offering this procedure. I will go to Teium and see what they say, maybe I can do no more and this is the biggest I can have my eyes, I hope not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hongkongphooey Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Hey! Yes there are others going in April. Have you seen the diary list on here, if you scroll back one or two pages you should find it and add yourself to this list so we can all meet up. I will private message everyone going in April with my email nearer the time so we can all communicate and meet up for chats, coffees, shopping, dinner!! I don't have a smart phone or android phone so can't use whatapps and the other apps, I only have an iPad and don't think there is a chat app for this (unless I am wrong?) so I can only communicate by email or skype. Have you booked your accommodation yet and which country are you from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hongkongphooey Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I am not sure, I may go to more clinics for eye consultation as I have 3 weeks in Seoul, it all depends on what Teium will say to me. Do you have your accommodation booked yet if so which district will you be at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinnie Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I have seen several pictures in which people had their eyes visibly open, but unfortunately I do not know the name of this procedure ... I also wrote to Teuim, but they did not have yet responded ... By the way, the mail is [email protected]? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchallthetime Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 You can get kakaotalk on the ipad IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taeyang123 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 hey, i'm extremely sorry about what happened with your results. are you sure that what the doctor at grand did with sewing up your gums cannot be undone?? i really hope with time everything will get better and hopefully this is something another doctor will be able to fix, so don't loose hope i recently went through something and for 2 years i didn't get out much or see my friends so i get how you feel. please let us all know how your recovery goes and don't loose hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seoulforreal Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Hi onlyif, The labiomental fold and re-suspension of the mentalis muscle was one my biggest concerns about genioplasty. I did a lot of research on this. I bought and read several journals on genioplasty, and and consulted with pro doctors in the US who specifically understand the nuances and variables of bone and soft tissue augmentation of the chin. I then talked to a variety of Korean doctors who all had different opinions I learned a lot from this journal as well.Aesthetic refinements in genioplasty: the role of the labiomental fold. by Dr. H. Rosen It's really hard to judge your case because I'm not looking at any before and after photos, so I was wondering if you can answer the following:What was the purpose of the genioplasty? - Prior to surgery - From the front view was your chin too short or long vertically? From the side profile view was it receded back or protruding forward horizontally? or a combination vertical and horizontal concerns? - Do you have an overbite or under bite - Do know the class your overbite such as a "Class II" - Prior to your surgery from the side profile view was your lower lip slightly behind your upper lip or in alignment.The 3 cm description you provided doesn't sound like a labiomental fold, but possibly postis from your mentalis muscle retachment (this can be corrected). If you truly have a deepened labiomental fold the typical causes can be the following First, it's normal to have a labiomental fold, but it should not be a deep fold, meaning from the side profile, the folds angle should be somewhat obtuse; 90 degrees or more, if it's acute and sharp angled then there were probably some miscalculations by the doctor not anticipating the changes in soft tissue morphology. Possible causes: Scenario 1: If your chin was vertically and horizontally short before surgery and... - You had a class II overbite - Your chin was also receded back - Your lower lip was slightly behind upper lip. - You already had a labiomental fold, but it was not as deep If you fit the above scenario moving your chin forward without also lengthening it will deepen the fold. Scnenario II: If your chin was vertically too long prior to surgery Then you may have had a relatively flat fold before surgery, but since the bone was reduced it produced a fold because its not stretching the soft tissue as it was before. Think of holding a piece of string from two ends and stretching it, it will be flat, now bring the two ends close together, and a fold will start to appear. Also the mentalis muscle may not have been reattached optimally effecting lower lip moment and fold as well, but changes in lower lip are to be expected with genioplasty. If anything, you need to give it some time since you are still healing and your muscle needs to get used to their new position. After 10-12 weeks you should have a better idea of the long-term results. If you're not happy with the results then consider a revision. If you get a revision go to a very good maxillofacial surgeon who has experience with revisions since they specifically deal with these matters.Nose Scar if you had an open procedure, a scar under your columella (the wall that divides your nostrils) is to be expected and will fade with time, but rarely go away 100%. I'm assuming this is what you are talking about (again pic would help) Also your post opp, condition and state of your body before and after surgery play a significant role (smoking, alcohol, diet, physical health, etc...)Korean Jack of All Trades Doctors - Not sure if this was the case at Grand, but in my opinion you should not rely on one doctor to do so many diverse areas. I think hospital's like Regen and ID have a good practice of having subject matter experts and specialist doctors only operate on these area, so if you're doing nose, chin and eyes, you'll have 3 doctors working on you. Doctors can't be a master of everything, and you don't want to be someone's test subject. Another good example of specialists are Dr. Han at FacialHan who only does jaw, chin & dental related surgeries. he's meticulous and well studied. EverM also only does these procedures as well. Dr. Jung at Shimmian only does noses and he can do chin implants, but i would just go to him for nose only. Lee at VIP does multiple areas, but he has a high reputation and specialty in noses. Give it some time, it might not be as bad as you think, and overtime your scar will fade and your mental image of yourself will align with your physical as well, and you may like the new look. Sometimes people are distressed because their own bias of how they thought or expected to look, when in the eyes of strangers you look fine. Of course other people you know will notice your face is different - you just had 3 operations done and are only a month out of surgery, so just relax and take it easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seoulforreal Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Mentally Preparing Yourself 1) Do not rush your decision because of timing and vacations days, etc... 2) Do not trust B&A pics 100%. Use them as a guideline, these pictures are carefully chosen, and often the gap between the pictures is 3-6 months even a year or more. Don't think you will look great right away some of course are an exception to this. 3) Take a break from thinking, talking and researching surgery (1 month) and then come back to it. Distract yourself with other things. 4) If you are bringing in photos of KPOP idols and Korean celebrities and expect to look like them that's not a good sign. You need to have reasonable expectations. 5) Be aware of your own preconceived notions, expectations and bias you may have of your own self image and the result you are expecting. If you are so fixated on a certain look it may not be realistic or even if you look better, but not how you imagined you may cause yourself some stress. 6) Ask yourself how you rate your current self-confidence in your appearance. If you feel have a lot of negative self-dialogue and beat yourself up a lot. You should consider working on your self-esteem first. Your whole opinion about surgery might change. 7) What are goals and reasons for surgery? Really have a no BS self dialogue about this and write it out. If your reason is to look hot and have people envy you, then maybe you need to reevaluate, and ask yourself if that's the right state of mind or intention to have. If it's because you truly feel your physical aesthetics are not normal, effect the quality of your life because others make you aware of this, and you simply want to fall within normal to good aesthetic proportions then that may be more reasonable. 8) Don't be too positive with wishful thinking, so that you drop your guard. 9) Don't get swept up in what Koreans are doing. KPOP and all these Gangnam princesses are seducing Asia and Asians abroad. A lot of their beauty features are not ethnically Korean nor naturally achieved. Their images, mannerisms, dance moves, photos, etc.. are all carefully choreographed to seduce. They'be been through years of training and sponsored surgeries acting out a perfected formula of what grabs people's attention. It can seduce you into wanting to mirror their behavior and put a false idea in your head that somehow these people are better off and you want the kind of admiration they receive. I live in the circus that is Gangnam, and have seen what happens behind the scenes - I can tell you that a lot of these people are not normal, most are textbook narcissists (filling a deep emptiness with envy and admiration from others), or are victims of being seduced to follow and mirror narcissists. A lot of aspects in the Korean psyche enable unhealthy levels of look-ism and vanity to persist to a high degree, but this makes sense in Korea and is befitting to current Korean popular culture, but not else where (except Hollywood and Brazil). Since Koreans follow the crowd, it's easy to normalize KPOP behavior that would normally be shocking in your home country. If you ask most most people outside of Korea what they they think about V-Line surgery, etc... they might be shocked at how invasive it is, and the lengths and relatively ease Koreans go about surgery, it's becoming as nonchalant as a haircut. But it's not a haircut! It's surgery and this is absolutely 100% serious and should not be taken lightly, and is something you only want to do once. 10) When you finish surgery. Don't freak out. Realize that you just traumatized your skin, tissue, muscles, nerves and bone. Your body needs to heal, deswell and normalize. it takes time, also realize you have looked at the same face in the mirror for years, when you change something and your mind is not adjusted to it yet, you may scrutinize it to a high degree, and over analyze things that are not noticeable to others, so be flexible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seoulforreal Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 The Korean web is not friendly to many web browsers expect internet explorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bella147 Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Hey everyone I'm in Korea now and about to have eyes done in about 2 hrs!!!! At Teiums. Will post a proper full review when i get back home - the phone TPF app on my iphone sux lemons and basically i can't access TPF on phone - already deleted and downloaded it, like 4 times over the last 2 weeks!!!! If ur in Korea feel free to pm me and I'll email u my Ktalk id Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bella147 Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Sorry to read about ur experience with grand - they're literally around the corner from where I'm living now. Stay strong and i really hope ur surrounded by loved ones and friends to get u thru We're all here for u !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnewelljr Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Hey guys, first post in this thread. This whole thread is very overwhelming. I am currently planning on getting rhinoplasty and a chin implant in South Korea in early April. I am looking specifically for English accessible clinics, as I don't intend on hiring a translator. I am a caucasian male, and I currently live in Tokyo (yaya for cheap flights! ). Anyways, I keep sifting through all these pages and read so many things. Can someone who has been keeping up with this thread recommend about three places to schedule appointments for consultations. I plan on visiting all of them and then picking one based on my comfort first, and then price. I don't want to overpay, but this is my face we're talking about, so I don't want to skimp out either. Thanks for any help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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