Sharing experience: Dr Jung from Shimmian

[pa3568]

Just got a threatening message from their clinic, a man called M.Kim, he said his clinic will take legal actions if I don't remove my messages.
One thing they need to know is that our messages cannot be removed on forums like this. Another thing is that they ask to remove messages to get a refund, and if not remove then no refund. And then they threat by saying they will take legal actions...

So they are pushing to make us remove the messages and then make us hope that we can get a refund. But what if the messages get deleted and then we never hear about them again? it's a very tricky way of their so-called "negotiation".

 

[gantz]

pa3568 said: ↑

Just got a threatening message from their clinic, a man called M.Kim, he said his clinic will take legal actions if I don't remove my messages.
One thing they need to know is that our messages cannot be removed on forums like this. Another thing is that they ask to remove messages to get a refund, and if not remove then no refund. And then they threat by saying they will take legal actions...

So they are pushing to make us remove the messages and then make us hope that we can get a refund. But what if the messages get deleted and then we never hear about them again? it's a very tricky way of their so-called "negotiation".

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How is your nose?

Did he mention what kind of action he would take? First of all, can he take some kind of action? If there is an obvious botching I mean, plus if you are an international patient. Korean laws apply to foreigners? No, right?

 

[pa3568]

Gantz said: ↑

How is your nose?

Did he mention what kind of action he would take? First of all, can he take some kind of action? If there is an obvious botching I mean, plus if you are an international patient. Korean laws apply to foreigners? No, right?

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my nose is not good... i can't breathe properly, it makes me dizzy, with health repercussions.

 

[tajan]

xKIKI said: ↑

Hi all,

I would like to share with you all on this crucial information I found about Dr Jung from Shimmian. I hope this will help you all in making better decision.
I am glad to be able to help in any way possible. =)


So here goes from TOWNSTORY from Purse:

to the people who is considering Dr Jung
Dear all, I am not sure how many people remember me here now, I was very active in last couple months, then I was silent for a while. If anyone is interested, please click my name and check my previous posts for my whole story.

I am a Chinese girl living in Australia, I used L shape silicone implants for my first nose job in 1997. The result was good and I can see the great improvement in my nose, but then in 2008 I started to feel painful in my tip area. Did not want to bare the risk of protruding implant, I rushed myself into an Australian Plastic Surgeon (who is from Korea). Unfortunately, my nose was contracted a bit during years because of the silicone and this surgeon did not consider this condition and put Gore-Tex in my nose, as you can imagine, it was crooked badly. I was so depressed, so a week later, the surgeon decided to operate on me again. This time my nose turns out a lot nicer and I was happy with it, but one and half year later after the surgery, the Gore-Tex moved and my tip area (used ear cartilage)is separated from the Gore-Tex, so there was a line breaking through my thin skin and I can see my nose as two separate parts.

I went back to my previous surgeon and asked him to give me a solution, he sent me to Korea to Dr Jung. He said that is his teacher and he will do a good job on me, since my nose is very hard to operate for him. Until now, I was not happy about this surgeon's result, but I was really touched by his after care, no matter how many troubles that I have to go through, he was always there to give me a bit of support. So my conclusion to this doctor is he is a very kind doctor with a good heart but he needs more experience in cosmetic surgery area.

This year in March, I decided to make my Korean trip, I took six weeks off work and made my managements extremely unhappy about me. But at that time, I had a dream to have a perfect nose and I could not care less. On 9th March 2010 I went to Dr Jung's clinic, it was a very small clinic in an old building with an extremely small lift. There were a few other girls in the waiting room, but they are all from China and said they want to have nose job in Korea by the most famous Dr in Korea. I was in the waiting room for about one and half hour, and I did not see a single Korean girl came by. Finally I got to have the consultation with Dr Jung. He was smiling and looks nice at the beginning. Then during our consultation, he did not go through things carefully with me, I felt he was very rushed. I explained my situation and asked him to do a good job on me, coz I really did not want it to be failed again. He pointed out that my nostrils are extremely uneven, so I need a procedure to cut both of my nostrils to even them up. I did not agree on that procedure, which I can clearly tell that he was not too impressed by it. When I asked about the material to be used, he said Gore-Tex is the best. At that time, I actually kind of set my mind to Rib Cartilage, but how lucky, I did not insisted to go with rib with him. About five minutes of our consultation, he stood up and said he has to go. So my first impression to him: Very commercial doctor, not famous in Korea at all, but good at making his reputation overseas. Since my surgery cost will be covered by my previous surgeon, I felt that he knows that I will not have a second choice of the Dr and he just did not care about me at all.

My surgery was scheduled the same day in the afternoon, and when I entered the surgery room, I saw about ten Chinese Doctors standing there and the nurse explained that they are here to study and learn from Dr Jung. After my surgery I was lucky enough to talk to one of the Chinese Doctors, he told me they paid really high tuition fee to Dr Jung to come for a two days' "hands -on" course and he will give them a certificate to hang on their clinic's to prove that they are qualified. What'd hell is this? From this behavior, we can see that he can achieve two results at the same time. First make more money by doing this: second, build his reputation in China and make people think that he is the best doctor in Korea. He just did not care about whether those doctors are truly qualified for the plastic surgery, as long as they pay the money; they will have the certificate from him. This is kind of funny, as he is an ENT doctor and not a plastic surgeon.

In the surgery room, I felt very stressed, as you can imagine, more than ten people were standing around you, and they were breathing and talking, so poor me have to bare a much higher risk of infection. After about one and half hour later, my surgery is finished and he woke me up and the nurses helped me into the recovery room. In there I took a small rest and then they asked me to walk back to my hotel.

I was not happy about Dr Jung's way of operating his clinic by then, but worse things are just yet to come. The after care service in his clinic was extremely poor, I did not get to see the doctor much, it was always a nurse helped me with my dressing and so forth. I can only see him if I have a good reason and keep on begging the nurse that I want to see him. I thought he should check my nose each time I go to the clinic to make sure everything is ok, but it did not happen at all. Then the nurse told me to massage my nose, which is squeeze the implant in to help desawallen. Without much consideration, I started to massage my nose 20 times a day per nurse's instruction.

Two days after the massage, I noticed that my nose become narrower and I can clearly see a line around my implants at the right side of my nose. I was very concerned and worried, I rushed myself to the clinic and asked for help. Dr Jung checked it for around one second and said, “I can't do anything right now, you have to wait for another half year to see the result and do the revision". I could not help crying in front of him, but he just stood up and asked me to go back to my hotel. I came back to hotel with great depression and disappointment. Each time I woke up at that night, I couldn't help crying. I believe each single ppl who had nose job before will understand me, having one botched nose job was enough stress to put on, and I have to go through that kind of stress and depress for three more times.

On the day when I supposed to go back to Australia, I went into his clinic to ask for a final confirmation and check up. When I came in, he saw me and he left me on the treatment chair, without greeting me or anything, he started to brush his teeth in front of a sink in the same treatment room. There was awkward silence in that room, and he was really taking his time to clean up his own teeth. I considered this behavior is extremely arrogant. If only he has ever had a heart for his patient, he should understand their feelings and give their consultation priority to his own teeth.

As you can imagine, he did not tell me what to do again rather just told me to wait. By then I knew that no matter how much I hated it, I have to go through for another revision, when I asked him what kind of material that he has used, he told me that he used Gore-Tex and my ear cartilage. I found out now after another surgery, that he used donated rib cartilage without discussing with me. What happened is half year later, the donated rib cartilage filled area got fully absorbed and my nose is more deviated.

This is actually the first time I decide to post my experience with him to the everyone in this forum. As a girl who has went through so many nose jobs, I fully understand how important it is to choose the right doctor. I hope my post will warn anyone who is interested in Dr Jung, please just remember: First he is not a plastic surgery doctor, he is ENT and his cosmetic result is very limited. Second, he is a good in making himself famous in overseas, but he is really nothing in local Korean area. Third, he is very money driven and he does not provide good after care and all in all, he doesn't care about his patients at all.

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Hi there I am more worse than you , did you find a good doctor or not ?

 

[pa3568]

no they proposed me to refund me some money if i delete the comments here... but i only want to discuss with doctor while they don't let me, they hired a guy to handle this, he is trying to "negotiate" but it's ridiculous.

 

[jian0603]

first of all I'm so sorry to hear your experience with Dr.jung .I cannot believe how he is so rude and not competent at all ... i think he is not DOCTOR... just someone who wanna earn money.

 

[pa3568]

jian0603 said: ↑

first of all I'm so sorry to hear your experience with Dr.jung .I cannot believe how he is so rude and not competent at all ... i think he is not DOCTOR... just someone who wanna earn money.

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i don't know about the doctor because they don't let me talk to him, however the way people manage the place seems really fishy.

 

[pa3568]

The clinic proposed me some refunds for a surgery in other hospitals but under the following conditions by proposing me a "Letter of Agreement" :

"Shimmian Clinic understands that X has experienced that the surgery did not turn out as desired. Hence, Shimmian Clinic will be compensating as much as $XX for not having the desired results for the patient"
"X shall, upon signing of this Agreement, no longer post comments in the form of letters, pictures or videos on the World Wide Web or the internet regarding his experience with Shimmian after the compensation as mentioned"
"X shall also work cooperatively with Shimmian Clinic in taking down the negative posts he has uploaded regarding his experience in Shimmian and the posts will be deleted by the end of this year, 31 December 2017"
"When the terms above are not met, twice the compensation fee, as much as $XX, shall be refunded to Shimmian by X" so it means they destroyed my nose and then they even ask me to pay!!! what is that.
"Now, therefore, Shimmian and X do hereby mutually agree that compensation will be made at these terms. This agreement is legal and binding and will be put into effect as soon as both parties have signed it"

And the letter has been under name of Jay Lee.

Just be aware!

 

[gantz]

pa3568 said: ↑

The clinic proposed me some refunds for a surgery in other hospitals but under the following conditions by proposing me a "Letter of Agreement" :

"Shimmian Clinic understands that X has experienced that the surgery did not turn out as desired. Hence, Shimmian Clinic will be compensating as much as $XX for not having the desired results for the patient"
"X shall, upon signing of this Agreement, no longer post comments in the form of letters, pictures or videos on the World Wide Web or the internet regarding his experience with Shimmian after the compensation as mentioned"
"X shall also work cooperatively with Shimmian Clinic in taking down the negative posts he has uploaded regarding his experience in Shimmian and the posts will be deleted by the end of this year, 31 December 2017"
"When the terms above are not met, twice the compensation fee, as much as $XX, shall be refunded to Shimmian by X" so it means they destroyed my nose and then they even ask me to pay!!! what is that.
"Now, therefore, Shimmian and X do hereby mutually agree that compensation will be made at these terms. This agreement is legal and binding and will be put into effect as soon as both parties have signed it"

And the letter has been under name of Jay Lee.

Just be aware!

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Omg !!! So what will you do?? Such inhuman practices

Also, what do they mean surgery in another hospital? Which hospital? Who will operate?

 

[sandymaxwell]

pa3568 said: ↑

The clinic proposed me some refunds for a surgery in other hospitals but under the following conditions by proposing me a "Letter of Agreement" :

"Shimmian Clinic understands that X has experienced that the surgery did not turn out as desired. Hence, Shimmian Clinic will be compensating as much as $XX for not having the desired results for the patient"
"X shall, upon signing of this Agreement, no longer post comments in the form of letters, pictures or videos on the World Wide Web or the internet regarding his experience with Shimmian after the compensation as mentioned"
"X shall also work cooperatively with Shimmian Clinic in taking down the negative posts he has uploaded regarding his experience in Shimmian and the posts will be deleted by the end of this year, 31 December 2017"
"When the terms above are not met, twice the compensation fee, as much as $XX, shall be refunded to Shimmian by X" so it means they destroyed my nose and then they even ask me to pay!!! what is that.
"Now, therefore, Shimmian and X do hereby mutually agree that compensation will be made at these terms. This agreement is legal and binding and will be put into effect as soon as both parties have signed it"

And the letter has been under name of Jay Lee.

Just be aware!

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I am so sorry for you. They are really bad clinic.
I have seen law firm that specialized in plastic surgery in Korea before. Maybe they are willing to help you.

 

[miasong]

This clinic sounds like it conducts business like North Korea. They're not negotiating with you. They're dictating what they want you to do which is scam you to get twice as much you paid them for surgery! I can tell they mess up people's noses by the nature they conduct business. No ethical and competent doctor's office would operate like this. This doctor should have his license taken away for allowing such behavior. Look into that.

 

[miasong]

If you don't know how to report this doctor the medical board where he's licensed in Korea, you can at least write a complaint about his office practices to the societies he is a member of. I encourage everyone who has had issues with this clinic to do the same. This doctor is a member of the following societies, which is not many societies for a plastic surgeon to belong to.


Korea Society of Aesthetic Surgery Convention

ASACS (Asian Society of Asian Cosmetic Surgery)

 

[pa3568]

miasong said: ↑

If you don't know how to report this doctor the medical board where he's licensed in Korea, you can at least write a complaint about his office practices to the societies he is a member of. I encourage everyone who has had issues with this clinic to do the same. This doctor is a member of the following societies, which is not many societies for a plastic surgeon to belong to.


Korea Society of Aesthetic Surgery Convention

ASACS (Asian Society of Asian Cosmetic Surgery)

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thank you for the information! would you have any links for that?

 

[miasong]

I don’t know if the doctor wrote fake associations on his website because he doesn’t belong to any. I couldn’t find the ones he referenced on his website that I wrote in my last post. However, I did find these associations which are close in name but different. You could contact them and ask if he’s a member. He may be trying to hide the associations he is a member of so patients don’t complain to them if he’s actually a member. Ask them for help as to who you can complain to if he’s a not a member there. Try to find all the facial plastic surgery associations in South Korea and complain, complain, complain. Spread awareness to professionals in the field. Also, find out where he advertises his classes to students (and possibly allows them to operate on patients for a fee) and share your experiences with students. As an aspiring doctor, I wouldn't want to associate with such an unethical clinic.


The Korean Society of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgeons

[email protected]


Asian Facial Plastic Surgery Society (AFPSS)

[email protected]

 

[sandymaxwell]

http://shimmianclinicrhinoplastywithjung.blogspot.kr/2012/

I just saw this review. It seems like you are not the first person experienced this issue.