My Experience at Regen, EverM, and DAPRS

[vanitygirl09]

Hi Peterpan,

Would you by any chance be able to name the translator who you hired who pushed you to consult these clinics. I asked my (potential) translator her recommendations and got these three clinics as well - DA, Regen and EverM. Is it because of high commission?

Don't want to make a costly mistake!

 

[quick2014]

To all forumers are trying to get in touch with Peterpan, ANY luck??

 

[meimei5105]

Thanks for sharing. Was not considering EverM because of lack of Englishspeaking staff. But now am having a second thought. I am always worryingbargaining might result the lower quality, but PeterPan, did you bargain atEverM? Wondering how you were bargaining with the other clinics......

 

[ddphan]

peterpan88 said: ↑

So as I promised, here is a detailed account of my surgery trip to Korea in March 2014.

Translation Service:

Before I came to Korea, I actually set up by myself appointments with Teuim, Item, OZ, and TLPS.
But God forbids, the biggest mistake I made on this trip is to hire a translator. I used the services of A (won’t say her full name, but many people on this board also use her).
Let me tell you this: hiring a translator is the worst idea EVER!
Not only do they not give a damn about you, their presence means you will pay 30-40% more for your surgery.

At first, I only wanted to hire A because I need to go see EverM, for my genioplasty. And unfortunately, they do not speak any English. My first appointment is with EverM at 10AM, and after that, I already told my translator that I need to go see Item at 12PM and then Teuim at 3PM. But she kept pushing me to go see HER list of clinics. And somehow, I got the feeling that she deliberately delayed the consultation process at EverM so that to make me late for my appointments at my chosen clinics (so that I would have to go with her to HER chosen clinics).

All in all, I’m not trying to condemn the translation services they provide. Obviously, if you don’t speak the language, and you have to consult with a clinic that only speaks Korean, then their services are a great help. But I just wish that were all they do: translate, instead of being these blood-sucking, money-greedy green monsters.

If you absolutely have to hire a translator (and it doesn’t matter whom you hire, they will all want to suck your wallet dry), then please stand your ground, and do not let them push you around. I made a mistake of being too friendly and too acquiescent. And that led to my not-so-productive consultations later. However, I thank God that my surgery went well, and that I ultimately made a good choice.

Consultation:

1. EverM: this is the first clinic we went to. My impression of EverM is generally favorable. I met with Doctor Yoon, who is the head Doctor/Maxillofacial specialist here. He looks relatively young. However, I got a warm feeling meeting with him. Dr. Yoon was very friendly, and he took the time to explain to me what he would do, as well as answering all my questions. I did not feel rushed here, and that’s a good thing.
Spoiler alert: in the end, I chose this clinic. Why? Three reasons: 1) Because they specialize in jaw surgery, and I need genioplasty. (2) because I did not feel pushed around here. They didn’t try to sell me more procedures than I asked for. Also, they had a standard price list (in Korean), that they showed me and I can see the prices clearly. And most importantly, (3), I feel comfortable with Doctor Yoon, his calm yet confident style, and his warm bed side manner (to be described later).

During the consultation, I explained to Dr. Yoon that I wanted a more angular face, more masculine (I’m a dude), and a more prominent chin. In the West, a strong chin signifies a confident and expressive male, which is very important in my career. Being an Asian male in America, there are many racial stereotypes that I have to overcome, one of which is that people tend to think of Asian men as meek, shy, and non-outspoken. Those do not translate well into career advancement. Hence, my decision to get genioplasty to make my face more masculine. I generally have a round/baby face. Thus, Doctor Yoon suggested that he would cut my jaw and lengthen it by 4 mms. He also said he would shave off the overgrown part of my mandible because I had a large mandible. I expressed my concern that cutting off my mandible would make me more feminine, which is contrary to what I want. However, he said that the opposite is true. Because my mandible is overgrown, that makes my face heavy. If just a small part of the mandible is cut off (and at the right angle), that would make my front look more defined, and it would also highlight my chin even more. I was still a bit skeptical (as I love my mandible), however, Doctor Yoon showed me the CT scan of my bone, and use a pen to draw exactly what part he would cut off. He then said he would use those bones to fill in my chin. Generally, during genioplasty, they would leave a hollow space when they lengthen your chin (and use a screw to secure it), then your bone would slowly grow to fill in the space). But in this case, because my own bone is used to fill in the space, that makes the recovery faster, and also my chin will be more resistant to external forces. He coined the phrase “bone grafting” for this method. It sounds good to me, so I agreed. I made sure to emphasize again to him: do not cut off too much of my mandible and keep my jaw strong. This is very important: make sure you let your Doctor know exactly what you want. Once your bone is cut off, they cannot grow back. So this is a one-time-only chance to express yourself. Do not be stingy with your words!

Anyway, after meeting with Dr. Yoon, we met with the manager lady, who quoted me a total of 9m for mandible and Genioplasty. I told her we would come back later after I make my decision.

About the size of this clinic: it is about mid-size, not big. But everything seems clean and modern. I want a clinic that is not too small (because the surgeries I want are pretty major, and a clinic too small will not have enough equipment and after care facilities available). I also don’t want a clinic that is too big, as the Doctor will not pay enough attention to you, and there is a higher risk of switching surgeons. So EverM is the right size I’m seeking.

2. By the time we finished at EverM, it was already 12:30PM. Again, delaying tactics by my translator to make me miss my own appointments and go with her. She suggested we visited Regen (on her list). So off we go. This is a VERY big clinic. They had a total of 17 floors, not counting the basements. And they offered everything, from skin, to teeth, to boob jobs. To be honest, my impression of Doctor Oh (the head Doctor) at Regen is favorable. I explained to him that I want my face to be more masculine, and more model-looking (high fashion). I showed him a photo of Gao Godfrey (the first Asian male model for Louis Vuitton), and told him I want exactly that face. Doctor Oh actually had a really good idea of how to make it happen. First, he said I need to have my cheekbones moved inward (zygoma reduction), then to have it augmented on the front (anterior malar augmentation), so that my face will be slimmer but the cheekbones will appear prominent. That is exactly what I want, and he seems to understand human aesthetics pretty well. So I was impressed by that. Then he said he would prolong my chin using genioplasty, and then also insert an implant which will be screwed onto my chin to give it the width I need. In addition, he said I need buccal fat removal to make my cheeks and jawline more defined. Last but not least, he said I needed ptosis to make my eyes more alert, and more westernized. Finally, he said I needed to have my salivatory gland cut off (under my chin), to make my jaw slimmer. He said that my salivatory gland is overgrown, and it makes my chin heavy. All in all, it would take him 4 hours (FOUR FREAKING HOURS) to complete all those procedures. He kept mentioning again and again that I am a very unorthodox case (because I want to go from Asian to Western). But that he would try his best to give me the look I want.

If you feel dizzy by this point, imagine how I felt sitting in his office listening to all these procedures. In my head, I was like: am I gonna come out human? There would be 3 screws in total on my face: two on my cheekbones, and one on my chin. I would look like RoboCop.

So, even though I wanted to have the perfect face, I weighed the pros and cons, and decided that it would not be worth it to go through all that ordeals. After all, what’s the point of having a perfect face is my health is like ****?!

So, by the time Doctor Yoon stopped talking (his English is really good, by the way), I already knew deep down that I would not want to go with Regen. I asked him one last question: of all the procedures, can he rank the importance of them in terms of effectiveness to achieve the look I want. He said all of them are important, and that I should do them all. That’s basically the last drop for me: I had the clear impression that they want to sell me as many procedures as possible to empty my wallet. This is the case with factory clinic: they always are after your money. Ethics is not the first or last thing on their mind. Your money is!

Again, I’m not disparaging Doctor Yoon or his skills. I’m sure he is a great Doctor and he has had many successful procedures, but the way Regen operates, I just don’t like it. I feel like just another cash cow for them to milk.
Despite having decided not to go with them, I still sat with the Manager to figure out the cost (just for the fun of it). My translator sat with me (of course, when it comes to money). The cost in total was 31m!!! I was like: WTF! I managed to get it down to 25m (just for fun, to see how my bargaining skills are). But still, it was extravagant. No way in hell I could afford that! I would need to sell my two kidneys lol!

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I'm very interested in getting two jaw surgery and V-line at EverM. Would you recommend Dr, Yoon?
Also, could you give me the directions to EverM if you still remember it? They sent me the address but idk how to get there from the subway station. 8F/9F/11F/12F, 104, Dosandaero, Gangnam-gu ,Seoul, Korea

 

[bigjaw]

hi peter pan. im planning to do the V Line surgery at vderm. they quoted me 9 mil won. can you show me the before and after pic? was it painful? i have square face. i never wear sun glasses or hat cuz of my square jaw. thanks

 

[hanohano]

Does anyone know if EverM has an English website? I know they have an English-speaking consultant you can email, but their website is entirely in Korean. I'd really like to see everything they offer in terms of surgery on the website.

 

[lolipop32swiss]

I have Gahee s émail address. We became friends now even tho im not doing surgery at her place. Can send it to you.

Kakao me. Swiss07102010

 

[lolipop32swiss]

Oh sorry she is the english consultant at everm

 

[laluna2015]

Quick2014 said: ↑

Peterpan88,

Thank you so much for such a detailed info's. Totally agree with NO TRANSLATOR deal. most clinics have English translator. Am going to D.A as is. Relax,rest and speedy healing.

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Thanks for sharing such a detailed feedback of your experience! I am new in this forum and am also trying to get myself educated and informed how to pick the right clinics in Korea without getting slaughtered and drained financially!

 

[bigjaw]

peterpan is not responding? is he alive?

 

[jellyv]

bigjaw said: ↑

hi peter pan. im planning to do the V Line surgery at vderm. they quoted me 9 mil won. can you show me the before and after pic? was it painful? i have square face. i never wear sun glasses or hat cuz of my square jaw. thanks

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bigjaw said: ↑

peterpan is not responding? is he alive?

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That member hasn't posted here for a full year--did you notice the date of his post?

 

[bigjaw]

semilar jaw

 

[blasian]

bigjaw said: ↑

semilar jaw

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ID clinic is not necessarily popular in this forum. I would do some searching around on this forum and reading. Check out the thread that lists negative clinic experiences.It's filled with alot of useful information.

link: #

 

[carnation]

The only translators I have heard about on these forums is some lady named Zoe and Seoul touch up. Are there any other recommendations?

 

[emma26]

peterpan88 said: ↑

So as I promised, here is a detailed account of my surgery trip to Korea in March 2014.

Translation Service:

Before I came to Korea, I actually set up by myself appointments with Teuim, Item, OZ, and TLPS.
But God forbids, the biggest mistake I made on this trip is to hire a translator. I used the services of A (won’t say her full name, but many people on this board also use her).
Let me tell you this: hiring a translator is the worst idea EVER!
Not only do they not give a damn about you, their presence means you will pay 30-40% more for your surgery.

At first, I only wanted to hire A because I need to go see EverM, for my genioplasty. And unfortunately, they do not speak any English. My first appointment is with EverM at 10AM, and after that, I already told my translator that I need to go see Item at 12PM and then Teuim at 3PM. But she kept pushing me to go see HER list of clinics. And somehow, I got the feeling that she deliberately delayed the consultation process at EverM so that to make me late for my appointments at my chosen clinics (so that I would have to go with her to HER chosen clinics).

All in all, I’m not trying to condemn the translation services they provide. Obviously, if you don’t speak the language, and you have to consult with a clinic that only speaks Korean, then their services are a great help. But I just wish that were all they do: translate, instead of being these blood-sucking, money-greedy green monsters.

If you absolutely have to hire a translator (and it doesn’t matter whom you hire, they will all want to suck your wallet dry), then please stand your ground, and do not let them push you around. I made a mistake of being too friendly and too acquiescent. And that led to my not-so-productive consultations later. However, I thank God that my surgery went well, and that I ultimately made a good choice.

Consultation:

1. EverM: this is the first clinic we went to. My impression of EverM is generally favorable. I met with Doctor Yoon, who is the head Doctor/Maxillofacial specialist here. He looks relatively young. However, I got a warm feeling meeting with him. Dr. Yoon was very friendly, and he took the time to explain to me what he would do, as well as answering all my questions. I did not feel rushed here, and that’s a good thing.
Spoiler alert: in the end, I chose this clinic. Why? Three reasons: 1) Because they specialize in jaw surgery, and I need genioplasty. (2) because I did not feel pushed around here. They didn’t try to sell me more procedures than I asked for. Also, they had a standard price list (in Korean), that they showed me and I can see the prices clearly. And most importantly, (3), I feel comfortable with Doctor Yoon, his calm yet confident style, and his warm bed side manner (to be described later).

During the consultation, I explained to Dr. Yoon that I wanted a more angular face, more masculine (I’m a dude), and a more prominent chin. In the West, a strong chin signifies a confident and expressive male, which is very important in my career. Being an Asian male in America, there are many racial stereotypes that I have to overcome, one of which is that people tend to think of Asian men as meek, shy, and non-outspoken. Those do not translate well into career advancement. Hence, my decision to get genioplasty to make my face more masculine. I generally have a round/baby face. Thus, Doctor Yoon suggested that he would cut my jaw and lengthen it by 4 mms. He also said he would shave off the overgrown part of my mandible because I had a large mandible. I expressed my concern that cutting off my mandible would make me more feminine, which is contrary to what I want. However, he said that the opposite is true. Because my mandible is overgrown, that makes my face heavy. If just a small part of the mandible is cut off (and at the right angle), that would make my front look more defined, and it would also highlight my chin even more. I was still a bit skeptical (as I love my mandible), however, Doctor Yoon showed me the CT scan of my bone, and use a pen to draw exactly what part he would cut off. He then said he would use those bones to fill in my chin. Generally, during genioplasty, they would leave a hollow space when they lengthen your chin (and use a screw to secure it), then your bone would slowly grow to fill in the space). But in this case, because my own bone is used to fill in the space, that makes the recovery faster, and also my chin will be more resistant to external forces. He coined the phrase “bone grafting” for this method. It sounds good to me, so I agreed. I made sure to emphasize again to him: do not cut off too much of my mandible and keep my jaw strong. This is very important: make sure you let your Doctor know exactly what you want. Once your bone is cut off, they cannot grow back. So this is a one-time-only chance to express yourself. Do not be stingy with your words!

Anyway, after meeting with Dr. Yoon, we met with the manager lady, who quoted me a total of 9m for mandible and Genioplasty. I told her we would come back later after I make my decision.

About the size of this clinic: it is about mid-size, not big. But everything seems clean and modern. I want a clinic that is not too small (because the surgeries I want are pretty major, and a clinic too small will not have enough equipment and after care facilities available). I also don’t want a clinic that is too big, as the Doctor will not pay enough attention to you, and there is a higher risk of switching surgeons. So EverM is the right size I’m seeking.

2. By the time we finished at EverM, it was already 12:30PM. Again, delaying tactics by my translator to make me miss my own appointments and go with her. She suggested we visited Regen (on her list). So off we go. This is a VERY big clinic. They had a total of 17 floors, not counting the basements. And they offered everything, from skin, to teeth, to boob jobs. To be honest, my impression of Doctor Oh (the head Doctor) at Regen is favorable. I explained to him that I want my face to be more masculine, and more model-looking (high fashion). I showed him a photo of Gao Godfrey (the first Asian male model for Louis Vuitton), and told him I want exactly that face. Doctor Oh actually had a really good idea of how to make it happen. First, he said I need to have my cheekbones moved inward (zygoma reduction), then to have it augmented on the front (anterior malar augmentation), so that my face will be slimmer but the cheekbones will appear prominent. That is exactly what I want, and he seems to understand human aesthetics pretty well. So I was impressed by that. Then he said he would prolong my chin using genioplasty, and then also insert an implant which will be screwed onto my chin to give it the width I need. In addition, he said I need buccal fat removal to make my cheeks and jawline more defined. Last but not least, he said I needed ptosis to make my eyes more alert, and more westernized. Finally, he said I needed to have my salivatory gland cut off (under my chin), to make my jaw slimmer. He said that my salivatory gland is overgrown, and it makes my chin heavy. All in all, it would take him 4 hours (FOUR FREAKING HOURS) to complete all those procedures. He kept mentioning again and again that I am a very unorthodox case (because I want to go from Asian to Western). But that he would try his best to give me the look I want.

If you feel dizzy by this point, imagine how I felt sitting in his office listening to all these procedures. In my head, I was like: am I gonna come out human? There would be 3 screws in total on my face: two on my cheekbones, and one on my chin. I would look like RoboCop.

So, even though I wanted to have the perfect face, I weighed the pros and cons, and decided that it would not be worth it to go through all that ordeals. After all, what’s the point of having a perfect face is my health is like ****?!

So, by the time Doctor Yoon stopped talking (his English is really good, by the way), I already knew deep down that I would not want to go with Regen. I asked him one last question: of all the procedures, can he rank the importance of them in terms of effectiveness to achieve the look I want. He said all of them are important, and that I should do them all. That’s basically the last drop for me: I had the clear impression that they want to sell me as many procedures as possible to empty my wallet. This is the case with factory clinic: they always are after your money. Ethics is not the first or last thing on their mind. Your money is!

Again, I’m not disparaging Doctor Yoon or his skills. I’m sure he is a great Doctor and he has had many successful procedures, but the way Regen operates, I just don’t like it. I feel like just another cash cow for them to milk.
Despite having decided not to go with them, I still sat with the Manager to figure out the cost (just for the fun of it). My translator sat with me (of course, when it comes to money). The cost in total was 31m!!! I was like: WTF! I managed to get it down to 25m (just for fun, to see how my bargaining skills are). But still, it was extravagant. No way in hell I could afford that! I would need to sell my two kidneys lol!

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Thx for the detail review! it is sooooooooooo helpful