suturecabra Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 No, in the U.S., prices are much more expensive, and almost everywhere you go they will insist on orthodontic braces first which greatly lengthens time before end result. Korea is more advanced in the field as a whole. It's also a cultural attitude issue....The U.S. focus is on minor and incremental tweaks like injectables and lifts, mainly for appearing younger. They take a conservative view of the types of procedures and outcomes offered routinely in Korea and don't follow the more accepted Korean idea of using surgery to achieve beauty for societal gains. U.S. doctors view 2-jaw as almost exclusively medical and not cosmetic, and it is performed much less frequently. The types of drastic changes seen in many Korean before/afters just aren't commonly done here, and when they are, the result is more likely to look "off" (uneven, unnatural, or obviously not the person's original appearance to strangers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyleigh Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Thanks for the tip Krisvonoz, boredom is one of my concerns, being on my own for a month with nothing to do... eek.. Being from the UK, it has been a struggle with orthodontists and surgeons. Its not a problem if you want to go private, but the cost would be around 20k (gbp) plus they dont perform surgery first. My teeth align at the sides, but i have an edge to edge bite at the front, which could be fixed with braces, but my upper face would still appear flat, which is something i really want to fix. Don't get me wrong, I am really scared about the procedure, compounded by the fact i will be in a foreign country, but I would prefer to have the surgery first and then fix me teeth. If i could do it that way round my country, then I would, but like i said, the standard is orthodontist first - about a year to 18 months of braces, then surgery followed by post braces.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisvonoz Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I haven't given any serious thought about jaw surgery but do you need to have braces before surgery? or do you even need to have braces to fix the bite even after surgery. surgery should get both fixed.one stone two birds right? There's a doctor in Taiwan called adrian hsieh who is a maxillo-facial specialist trained in the USA and he does a lot of the kind of surgery that you seem to want (you want to make your upper face less flat = bring the upper jaw out, right?). wouldn't bringing the upper jaw up fix a slight under bite? your case from your photo really does not look bad. you could try e-mailing or calling him. http://www.mch-oms.tw/meet_dr_hsieh_en.htm have you had any consultations in the UK? if so, did they recommend upper jaw advancement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisvonoz Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 the jaw surgery results look great and natural to me in the US. I think the jaw results in Korea completely change the person or the person comes out looking like a doll. I still think finding a respectable cosmetic specialist will be enough as he has done it his whole career regardless of whether the US frequently does many jaw surgeries or not (which I think is actually more common in the US than you think) How much do you really want to change your face that much anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyleigh Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Thanks for the link Krisvonoz, I will have a look into that. Currently, my teeth align perfect in many ways, so moving my jaw will have a negative effect on my teeth, which will mean braces post op. I have already had lower jaw surgery here in the UK, when I was a teenager, they should have moved the upper jaw forward and the bottom back, but they only moved the lower jaw. My front profile looks ok, but its my side profile that bothers me most, my upper jaw needs to be moved forward around 5mm. I have consulted with 3 maxillo surgeons in the UK, one said both jaws need doing (upper forward, bottom back), another said only the top needs moving forward and the third said I was told old... (I was 29 at the time) Because my upper jaw is too far back, it makes my lower jaw look longer, if that makes sense, the upper part of my face is flat, no check bones, no definition... the surgery is purely cosmetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suturecabra Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 While my case could be classified as medical, if I'm going through the trouble of jaw surgery then I don't really want a subtle result.....and I want other facial features brought into balance and improved. That's not happening in the U.S., and certainly not for 1/3 of what it would cost me there. I did a lot of research before considering leaving the U.S., including clinics and practices across the country, which would naturally be easier than travelling to Asia even if on opposite coasts. I have also had several in-person consultations with maxillofacial clinics here. The value proposition just isn't there, and U.S doctors have different goals in mind with regards to surgery. It's still mostly considered too extreme in the U.S.....it is not in Korea, and that's why it's performed far more often, they're on the cutting edge (pun intended) as far as technique and don't need braces first, and why I'd prefer it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisvonoz Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 How much were you quoted in the US and from Korean clinics? Korean surgeons also have different goals in mind with regards to surgery. What kind of change do you want? I mean what do you expect to look like after the surgery? It's easy for a surgeon to create a same kind of look than it is doing something that is aesthetically different from his culture's own standard of beauty for men, especially when they are opposites. When men have jaw surgery in Korea its about feminization and becoming a "flower boy". You might feel safe having a surgeon whose done so many of the same surgeries but in the end will it turn out what you had in mind? So you don't want a subtle change but just be really sure the surgeons there can give you the drastic change that you want and can expect. Do you know any non-Asians who have had jaw surgery in Korea? I know a caucasian male on real-self who did genioplasty in Korea and there was practically no difference (he wasn't very pleased) Also, what clinics do you have in mind? maybe I can help you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainphillips Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Anyone here have gotten surgery done in U.S Cali area? More specifically, men who've gotten double eyelid surgery done and can share pls. Much Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victor888 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Yeah it's mostly girls dong this surgery I want a man thread!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeet-dhindsa Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 If you go to clinics that have experience treating international patients they are familiar with maintaining ethnic markers. There is a US military base here, and I've had some male military patients who had facial contouring and wanted to make sure they maintained a masculine, but more balanced and defined jaw line. I think I know who you're talking about on realself. He was one of the first members on my community as well, and I also think he was active on this forum too a long time ago. Was it a patient who did rhino and genioplasty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjaw Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 im getting a Vline surgery in South Korea next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjaw Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 can you guys show me your before and after pic with Vline surgery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhoony Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I have a few questions please give me the answers senpais 1. I really want to go to South Korea to get Vline + Zygoma reduction, however because of Canada's sh*t economy the value of the Canadian has dropped significantly and is projected to continue dropping... because of this I was wondering what are the best and cheapest clinics that offer vline + zygoma reduction for a good price? 2. How do I find out about events so I can get a solid deal? 3. Does MannNature offer vline + zygoma and if so what are their prices? Please help :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qri Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Have any guys been to Korea recently? (or any browsing right now) Planning to go back in April/May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultron Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Im at Seoul right now and will be going to daprs and the face dental later in the afternoon for consultation on jaw and cheek reduction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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