Our angel, Dr Kwon from Teuim/AT

[north_star]

okk.. im sending you a pm.. pls check your mailbox!

 

[nliu48]

i am new to this forum therefore i can not start my own thread. But i have some concerns..i don't know you have come across with this situation before. i have already set up my plans going to korea in the middle of may to do epi, but i just realize that time i will have my period, i don' t know if i can go through the surgery or get good post-op recovery when i am having a period. i heard that it is easily going to get infected and i am so scared. I already bought my plane ticket and i do not know what to do now.
can anybody help and answer my concerns? thank you!!!!

 

[popcorndreams]

So it seems as if Dr Kwon was one type of style. Those people who wanted parallel folds aren't too happy because his method is very conservative.
I'm wondering if I should go back to his clinic for a revision because he doesn't seem to be able to do the parallel folds or big eyes that most people want.
I asked him for a slightly parallel and mine is very tapered. The size of my folds are very small now and you can't even see it if I put eyeliner on.
I like that his style is natural but I wanted more of a difference in my eyes.

 

[mickely]

north_star said: ↑

I also got an in-out kind of fold that is parallel at the top and sharply tapers in at the inner corners. What I wanted was an in-fold that very gradually tapers out. Maybe he tends to do the same type of crease for most people? Something for the rest to note about.

@mickely what were you seeking to correct for your revision surgery? how do you think of the revision results?

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Mine was tapered from other clinic, I wanted high caucasian like parallel, he understood he was on like caucasian right , then he said he can do all types of eyes, I was convinced then, now not so much.
The right eyes is low parallel that look somewhat tapered from a distance, the left was too tapered I feel esp with my current eyelid height, the transition from parallel to tapered is too sudden making it look odd.. If it's a smoother transition I ll just accept it.. Sigh I paid so much money on him.

Don't think Koreans doc do high fold in General. Was watching this YouTube video by a Singaporean blogger who had hers at JW, her friend wanted the same thing as me, high parallel the surgeon was like why do u wan t high fold, it doesn't look good. I think low fold is better
. It s the aesthetic difference really, perhaps I should go Japan instead, their celebs have eyes I want ...

Pm me if I wan pics, I can't seem to upload them from my mobile. Kakao : SaphireL

 

[hewlette]

Thanks for sharing.

 

[callmehyung]

mickely said: ↑

Mine was tapered from other clinic, I wanted high caucasian like parallel, he understood he was on like caucasian right , then he said he can do all types of eyes, I was convinced then, now not so much.
The right eyes is low parallel that look somewhat tapered from a distance, the left was too tapered I feel esp with my current eyelid height, the transition from parallel to tapered is too sudden making it look odd.. If it's a smoother transition I ll just accept it.. Sigh I paid so much money on him.

Don't think Koreans doc do high fold in General. Was watching this YouTube video by a Singaporean blogger who had hers at JW, her friend wanted the same thing as me, high parallel the surgeon was like why do u wan t high fold, it doesn't look good. I think low fold is better
. It s the aesthetic difference really, perhaps I should go Japan instead, their celebs have eyes I want ...

Pm me if I wan pics, I can't seem to upload them from my mobile. Kakao : SaphireL

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Except plenty of (East) Asians are born with naturally parallel folds... Which doesn't necessarily make them 'Caucasian'
Ex: Sui He, Won Bin, Takeshi Kaneshiro, Hu Bing, Yu Kiu, Zhao Wei, among COUNTLESS others

Or they get cosmetic surgery to make them slightly/extremely parallel and it doesn't seem to be an issue and looks great on them too!
Ex: Raymond Lam (HK Actor), Fan Bing Bing, Lee Bing Bing, Huang Xiao Ming, etc...!

It is DEFINITELY an aesthetic thing w/ Dr. Kwon and his mentality b/c there is no way I believe that a surgeon like him is medically incapable of creating that fold. It's merely about stitch placement at the inner corner that affects where the line starts.

 

[north_star]

I definitely think Dr Kwon has the ability to create all sorts of folds, as I have seen different kinds of folds on his website. In my case, I wanted a very low and thin crease but ended up with one that i feel is too big for me, but which some of you might consider a conservative fold. It is all quite subjective. For example I have heard many people saying he tend to do small and natural creases, but in my opinion, his style look more like dolly eyes to me.

Which led me to wonder how those earlier people who got the right type of crease they want communicated to him.. or did his style just started drifting towards the in-out crease that most of us get nowadays.

 

[beefnoodo]

I've been wanting to undergo the DES in Korea for quite some time but am a bit hesitant with what clinic/surgeon to go with after hearing many horror stories with factory-like clinics. UNTIL I learned about Dr Kwon at Teuim. I visited his website and did lots of research into other clinics (of course the popular/more commercial clinics.. I don't know anyone local enough to know about other smaller scale clinics) and noticed he specializes with DES. When I stumbled on this thread and this forum, I noticed quite a few people have underwent DES with Dr Kwon and can say positive things.

Having said that, I'm VERY nervous and don't really know what to expect.. I had an online consult with Teuim and a few other clinics and basically most of them have recommended non-incision + epi but I'm a bit skeptical about the longevity of non-incision.. any opinions? Also, what are some things to be prepared to speed up recovery?

I'm pretty set on going this year (hopefully) but was hoping I could hear some of your thoughts/experiences with consults from other clinics and results

 

[kate2015]

Hi everyone,

thank you a lot for all your reviews! I'm considering Dr.Kwon for my eyelid surgery but now I'm a bit concerned because he seems to do very natural folds, even if you tell him to make large crease. :/
I already have natural tapered double eyelids which actually looks a lot like some of the results he does. But I want to have large parallel eyelids and now I'm concerned that after the surgery the difference will be only minimal. I want the crease to be still large and visible even after applying 2-3mm thick eyeliner. For example I like Fan Bingbing's eyes.

Those of you who asked him to do such a large crease but received a too natural and tapered one:
Can I ask you how your eyes looked like before surgery? I heard not all eyes are suitable for creating such a look for example because of skull structure. Maybe that's why he did smaller crease? But in that case he should have told you before the surgery...

Can you recommend any other surgeons or reviews of surgeons who does this kind of large parallel eyelids? Do you have pictures/reviews or know someone who got large parallel eyelids from Dr.Kwon?

 

[cardamine]

jillyqueen said: ↑

Anyway, to all forumners, if u are considering double eyelid surgery. I recommend Dr Kwon he really takes care of you. After the injection, the swelling went down by almost half. My eyes look more symmetrical at day 7. And I can already tell that it's going to look great. Most doctors would have just dismissed it and asked the patient to give it time. But Dr Kwon actually took time off to give me the injection, even though he was in the midst of another surgery.

I paid (slightly more than) 1.5 times more for Dr Kwon compared to other clinics like Wonjin. And it's worth it. It's your face ladies, don't stinge. Through this experiance, I learnt that the eyelid surgery is not as simple as people think. Yes it's a very common surgery, but NOT simple. An eye specialist is necessary not a mere "board certified surgeon".

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I know this is an old post but this person talked about how the doctor left to give injections during the middle of another surgery... is this not alarming to anyone else but me?? Is this normal practice? Why would a doctor just leave in the middle of surgery?

 

[jillyqueen]

He left in the middle of my surgery. Cause the anesthesia wore out. And it became very uncomfortable, he had to give me additional shots. And then went out to take a break
It's normal.

 

[mickely]

hmmm... i didnt know huang xiao ming had eye surgery but i do know won bin and takeshi kaneshiro did though LOL... won bin right eyes was single before and as for takeshi's he had both done.. i watched his old movies, he was single-eyelid then and that was about 10-15 years ago.. he looked great then and now...

Anyway does anyone know whether Dr Kwon offers free revision ?

@callmehyung.... i told dr kwon i want high "caucasian like' parallel because that seems to be the most comprehensive description..since its not typical for Koreans to be born with high parallel eyelids.. i worried he might not understand what an asian high parallel is....

@kate2015, I know dr kwon can do high folds if you INSIST but its not so much the height of the double eyelid that bothers me it's more the shape of it, it is not the usually parallel eyelid that u see, imagine a parallel eyelid that narrow towards the canthus instead of being open like most, fan bing bing, won bin etc.. that shape doesnt look natural if it is coupled with a high eyelid fold.. might work on a low parallel fold though which is what a lot of the eyelids shown in his website look like... i guess if you decide to go with him ask him whether he could make an open parallel... i was disappointed because I know I specifically ask for the open type and ended up with a tapered-parallel type...

 

[dollypolly]

Hi
Finally I have decided to go to korea for my double eyelid surgery. May I know what kind of medication or any cream I need to bring along for post surgery care?

 

[dollypolly]

CallMeHyung said: ↑

Dr. Kwon finished drawing on my eyes and from here on out, let’s split my surgery into three parts.

1) I was lying there, still listening to my heart rate on the nearby monitor when Dr. Kwon said, “You are going to sleep for a while.” I wasn’t aware that any non-local anesthesia was going to be performed on me (my bad for not asking I guess), so in surprise, I started counting the seconds between the moment he uttered that statement and when I started feeling strange. For those of you who have never taken drugs or been knocked out before, it will be an equally strange experience for you as it was for me. After I counted 15 seconds, my mind felt like it was being shut down or wrenched away from me, the music in the background screeching into one prolonged sound. The next thing I knew, I was seeing a kaleidoscope of colours that took the bass of the music to drum into one symphony in my mind. I was one with my mind, aware that there were cuts going my eyelids, but I was fine with that. I was also vaguely aware of where my limbs were, but I couldn’t really move them. I was more occupied with my sensory experience at the time though. I felt like I was inside my conscious and that I was in complete communication with my own mind. I could feel my own breathing in my head and I could also control the patterns in the changing colours that I was seeing (they changed depending on the pressure being put onto my eyes/what was being done to me). I could also make specific words light up and explode with colour at will. It was a very cool experience and I am pretty sure that this is what taking certain illegal drugs can do for you (not that I’m in a huge rush to go take illicit drugs now). Before I knew it, I was slowly regaining feeling in my limbs and my inhibitions were definitely lowered. I started laughing because I found this whole sensory experience so funny. Dr. Kwon left the surgical room while one/two nurses were left with me. One was applying pressure with icy patches to my eyes. At one point, she told me to open my eyes and when I did, I was like… Oh… Wow, what is this pulling feeling yikes (it wasn’t painful at that point, just unpleasant)

2) Dr. Kwon returned after about 10-15 minutes, at which point he put some eyedrops in my eyes, and I started laughing out loud (he probably thought I was cray, because he said, “Why?” when I started laughing). I remember thinking it was funny that these drops stung more than the actual surgery. The doctor started doing the epicanthoplasty and also doing the embedding in my eyes. Other people have mentioned that epi was the most painful part of the surgery for them, but it wasn’t for me. It was just a very strange experience that felt like I was getting a nose-job because of the strong, hammer-like pressure being applied in the top portion of my nose. It did feel very strange and definitely did not feel like that was where my eye-corners were. The holes/threading was also okay, until the very end of the second part of the surgery when I feel like my anesthesia was wearing off. I was whimpering under the hands of Dr. Kwon at that point because of how unpleasant the entire thing was. It was quite a painful experience feeling the texture of the thread being pulled through your eyelids and tightened. I started screaming in my brain, “BEAUTY IS PAIN. BEAUTY IS PAIN.” At one point, Dr. Kwon had to stop and inject more anesthesia in my eyes because he probably realized I’d probably be in serious tears if he didn’t. The additional local anesthesia shots were semi-painful but they really did not hurt compared to the threading I started feeling in both my eyes. Here, Dr. Kwon left again to let the drugs kick in and to take another break.

3) I asked the nurse how much longer she thought I had left in the surgery, and she guesstimated about an hour. I was really hoping that the anesthesia was kicking in with full force at this point as I did not want a repeat of the end-portion of the second part of my surgery. I also really, really had to pee because of the IV bag being completely emptied into my body, but obviously I could not so I held it in for dear life. I had gone to the washroom to empty my bladder before the surgery, but I guess that wasn’t enough? Dr. Kwon eventually came back and finished the stitching on my eyes/final touch ups which took about an hour as the nurse earlier guessed. I guess the stitches were the easiest part of the surgery because Dr. Kwon engaged in some pretty friendly chit chat with his nurses at this point. From what I picked up, they were talking about one of the nurse’s boyfriends (namja chingoo?) who was a computer programmer. He seems to be on pretty good terms with his staff, which was nice. Anyway, towards the end of the third part of the surgery, it started hurting again, but not as badly as before. I just sucked it because I knew he was nearing the end of the surgery (you can guesstimate because of the direction that the stitches are going in). I thanked the doctor after the surgery finished, the nurse bandaged me up with two hard things between my nose bridge, Alice came in and showed me the fat that they had cut out of my eyelids, and I was led over to the recovery room. I felt tired, like someone had punched both my eyes with their fists, but was fine overall. I just really had to pee.

Recovery: The first day was the worst. I felt really groggy when I got home and I could hardly open my eyes. I also felt really tired overall and was really low-energy. Teuim gives you two eye patches that you can use for icing/hot pack-ing, antibiotics for three days (that have a tylenol in them that you can take optionally. I did not), and some antiseptic cream that you can apply to your stitches after your bandages are taken off.

While bandages are on (for one to two days), there is going to be a lot of buildup on your eyelashes from dried tears/eye mucus. It was hard for me to open my eyes in the morning as they were sealed shut. Don’t hesitate to ask for saline water from the clinic and remember to bring Q-tips. to clean your eyes/eyelashes. The worst part for me was walking out in public with my plastic-surger-ied face after the procedure. Yes, it is a common sight in Korea, but do not underestimate the knowing looks on the people’s faces, especially in busy busy Gangnam. Taking off the bandages did not hurt very much, although when the nurse got too close to my epi stitches, it did sting. When the bandaids came off, I no longer had a huge issue with the eye mucus, but I did notice that I had uneven swelling and also dark red bruising under the inner corners of my eyes from the epi. I had to religiously ice my eyes for three days followed by hot compresses until my stitches were out on day 6, which was supposed to help with swelling, but I don’t know if it made that huge of a difference. Better to be safe than sorry, I guess.

I’ve read people saying that taking out the stitches hurt a lot for them. Compared to my anesthesia wearing off during my surgery, the pain was negligible to nothing. It honestly felt like someone was lightly pinching my eyes, even when it came to the epi stitches. The most ‘freaky’ part of getting them removed was the nurse peeling back my lower eyelid and removing the stitches from the inside of my eye. I guess I was also very calm and very still, so it probably gave the nurse an easier time not having a squirming patient on the table. I saw Dr. Kwon after and he told me that my swelling was going down unevenly and that I needed to icepack a lot more, but that my eyes looked fine otherwise. He told me that because I had asked for a higher lid, I should expect more swelling in general. I thanked him one last time and left the plastic surgery center. Six days later, with concealer under my eyes, I was able to walk out without sunglasses and look -relatively- normal. Sure, there was still that slight sausage-like effect on my eyelids, but I looked passable as a human overall. Will continue to update as time goes on, but I can say that I am pretty happy with my results so far and I have a very realistic mindset about healing/how long it will take for a full recovery.

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Thanks for your detail experience!! Hope to get more of your updates soon!!

 

[callmehyung]

Hi guys. A bit over the two month mark in recovery at the moment. The scars in my eyes are almost completely gone, but I can still see faint, faint red lines where he cut into my lid (partial incisions) and also feel the bumps where he threaded my eyelids. The inner corners of my eyes still get red though, especially when I use any products like tinted moisturizer/concealer on or around that area. Also, if you use any concealer/foundation OVER your actual 'line' that has been created, you will notice after a few hours that product tends to... collect there? Hmm... How to describe this. Basically, when you completely close your eyes, you will see your foundation 'collecting' where the line is, so you see a line of foundation where the line is. Is this normal for people with double eyelids? I have no idea, but I have a feeling that it isn't.

I am okay with the epi area taking longer to recover because the stitches are on the inside I believe. It's fine, because the redness isn't permanent, but it is still annoying.

As for the crease height, I think that it has definitely decreased by about... 30-40% of where it was from the first week of swelling. To be honest, I think it's at where it is supposed to be now. I'm not swollen at all and it looks pretty darn natural. The only thing is, again, is that my eyes are VERY slightly parallel as opposed to what I imagined and asked for (see discussion above with other purseblog members). They definitely aren't completely tapered, but you have to be a few inches away from my face to tell. Iunno. I'm satisfied enough with how it looks that there is no way I would go through the hassle of going all the way to Korea again to get it 'fixed'. I'm fine with the way that my eyes have turned out and when I see myself barefaced in the mornings and evening, I am finally satisfied with the way I look instead of thinking, 'ugh. My eyes are so.... Ugh' and that is just the hugest relief that I have taken away from this surgery.

Mentality is extremely important going into this. If you are looking for purely external validation from others, it might not be the wisest thing to jump the gun and just go to Korea. I honestly thought this would be a natural progression of my life, so it feels... Fated that I would do this? I know what a botched job is, and Dr. Kwon definitely did NOT botch my face. I'll keep updating with time, but would I have chosen a different surgeon in Korea if I could do it all over again?

As a foreigner, unless I had a local Korean friend, probably not. You guys will understand if you visit Apgujeong. That place did not make me feel safe at all. You may be getting a steal there and your results may be amazing. You may get your high, perfectly parallel, Won-Bin ish eyelids, but I felt really uncomfortable there. I honestly did. Dr. Kwon may not be 'worth it' in the end and please only trust Alice with a grain of salt (she is iffy about telling the truth, like who actually did her eyelids), but I went in completely trusting him and I came out.... 85% trusting him? He promised no scars. We shall see, but I am optimistic that in another 2-4 months, I will see close to nothing. He promised parallel lids with someone I gave him human evidence to look at. I'll give him a 50% here.

That's all for now. Ask any questions if you'd like (if I haven't already answered it in a past post. Won't answer redundant questions and waste space/time so I hope you go through posts carefully)