peiyoung Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 So I just saw this news from China, saying a chinese girl went through several plastic surgeries in korea, including double eyelids, cheekbone reduction and facial grafting. Her entire face even her lips are severely damaged after the surgeries, the doctors in China say her facial nerves are completely damaged and there is little hope to be recovered. After talking with her so called "surgeon" after the surgeries, this girl found out that the actual surgeon who performed the surgery wasn't the doctor she had consultation with... This chinese girl spent about US$60000 but now lost everything and has committed suicide for 2 times. I just feel like a lot of bad surgeries are results from switching surgeons without letting the patient knows...and I heard that a lot of plastic surgery clinics and hospitals in korea have famous doctors for consultation, but secretly having new, unexperienced doctors to perform the surgery...especially for surgeries such as cheekbone reduction and jaw-line revision, the patients have no knowledge who is actually doing the surgery, even for nose job, there's a short period of time when the patient is not conscious... So is there a way of avoiding all of these? I'm planning to do my nose and Botox injection in Dream Clinic, does anyone know if they have the problem of switching doctors in Dream?? Thanks
nilesy Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 If this is Dream i.e. Dream Medical Group, I would vouch for them as being legitimate. There're quite a few users on the forums here who have gone to Dream as far back as last year and even more recently. I don't personally think there is a way to guarantee that they won't switch doctors whilst you're sedated. That said, I think it is less of an issue with small to mid-sized clinics for obvious reasons. Also, if you do end up going to Korea for consultations, check their website and see how many surgeons and staff they have, including anaesthesiologists, as well as their qualifications. Dream's site layout is very comprehensive and clear and is a good example of this.
wishingstar Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 Peiyoung - do you know what clinic the article is talking about? I'd avoid ID, Wonjin, and Grand. The first 2 are notorious for dr switching. People have died at both Wonjin (when a dentist gave jaw surgery and Grand. Jewelry is another one to avoid....they had a scandal recently where the dr and nurses were celebrating a birthday and partying in the operating room during a patient's actual operation while the patient was under anesthesia. (Some nurse was dumb enough to post it on social media.)
peiyoung Posted April 7, 2015 Author Posted April 7, 2015 that's wonjin I think...there are a lot more bad reviews about wonjin I can find on chinese website
peiyoung Posted April 7, 2015 Author Posted April 7, 2015 So do you think I should go to mid-sized clinics like Dream? Do you know other good clinics for nose job and botox injection in korea
nilesy Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 I don't know about Botox but supposedly, Dr. Kim Jae Hoon at April31 is very good for rhinoplasty (he has done many successful revisions, I believe) and Dr. Park at Dream Medical group is also very good, particularly if you definitely want to have closed rhinoplasty. What I meant about small to mid-sized clinics is that they usually only have a few doctors e.g. one rhinoplasty specialist, one facial contouring specialist, one eye specialist. So they're not likely to swap on you because it's not like they have any other rhinoplasty specialist to choose from. I hope that makes sense. Maybe I'm wrong but that's just my logic.
wishingstar Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 Peiyoung - One thing I forgot to mention is there is no universally good clinic or surgeon for a procedure... you'll need to research and consult with many to get a sense of what they can and can't do for your specific case. Also, just because someone likes a certain surgeon's style or gave that surgeon a good review on this forum doesn't mean that YOU will like that surgeon's style. (For instance, some of the highly reviewed dr's on this forum have been known to do noses that are TOO perfect *or* TOO subtle for my taste... it all comes down to individual preference.) Be sure to do your own research... be careful. Hope this helps!
tangytomatoes Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 This reply will be pretty late but it might still help if you haven't done your surgeries yet or if other people stumble on this thread. I've read that good ways to avoid clinics with doctor switching is to see how many clients the doctor performs each day. If the doctor you want performs facial contouring, then most likely, he won't be able to see more than 3-5 clients per day since fc usually takes a long time (as it should-it's a very serious procedure). If you go to a small to medium sized clinic with not many doctors and you go more than once but each time, you see a lot of clients waiting, then there might be a chance they do doctor switching, since how can 2 or 3 doctors consult that many clients all the time as well as perform the surgeries? Which brings me to my next point... it might be safer to stick with medium sized clinics since large clinics might have larger chance of doctor switching (of course this is not always true because a lot of large clinics/hospitals are very reputable and have great results) and small clinics might just be inexperienced (which is also not always true too). You can search up xKIKI on purse forum. She wrote about her experience at Shimmian and she said that when she arrived at the clinic, there were about 10 Chinese doctors there and they were going to watch the doctor perform. If I saw something similar at a clinic, I would greatly believe they practice doctor switching. I wouldn't want those Chinese doctors in the surgery room while I'm on anesthesia... anything could happen when you're under. I also don't think any extra doctors or nurses should be in the surgery room if they are not needed or just "to watch". Last thing is that some clinics will live stream/real time monitoring the surgery so your parents or friends can watch on a device in another room and they can make sure that there is no doctor switching. I think this is the safest method. If a clinic does this, I would be confident they don't practice doctor switching. I heard that you have to request this so you should ask if this clinic provides this. Again, not all clinics that don't live stream are bad or practice doctor switching. But everything I mentioned is like triple checking and for the extra cautious people. There's also other factors that might lead you to believe there's sketchy behavior at a clinic and some are just little things that might give you a bad feeling... listen to your intuition during those times.
tangytomatoes Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Oh, I wanted to add that clinics that advertise mostly to foreign patients esp to people in China and when you go to their clinic, there's hardly any Koreans, I would be sketchy of the place. I'm not saying all those type of clinics practice doctor switching but there's a higher chance. If you see this along with other things mentioned in my previous post such as having a lot of clients even though clinic only has 2-3 doctors, it only increases the chance there is ghost doctors. I see a lot of articles on blotched surgeries and a lot of times, the worst ones are about people from China coming to get plastic surgery and this led me to assume that that happens cause those clinics advertise a lot to China and to overseas/foreigners. You might have heard this advice before but I recommend trying to find clinics that are popular among locals.
popcorndreams Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Isn't Dream considered a "factory" clinic? I'm considering them for surgery but scared they might switch doctors on me since they are so filled with patients
k-couture Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Exactly. With mid-sized clinics like Dream, JW and the Line there are very strict protocols. There's a reason why there's only one specialist for each category of procedure at mid sized clinics like them so you know you will only get the surgeon who specializes in that particular procedure to operate on you. Clinics like these clinics have no additional surgeons to even do doctor swapping lol. A clinic that is filled with patients also doesn't mean they are factory styled. That is one of the most lacking assumptions. Look at Braun. Braun is also not a small clinic but is always packed. Wayyy more packed than JW, Dream or Line. They are also a specialized clinic like the other 3. It just means the clinic is sought after and getting a surgical slot may not be that simple depending on how ahead you book and how many slots left the specialist you booked with has remaining. So naturally during peak period it is best to call in to see how many slots are available a week before you arrive in seoul
beauty12 Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Unfortunately, there 's no way to know for sure if doctor switching occurs, especially when they give you General anethesia or sleep sedation without waking you up.
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