hcolumbus Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Hello friends, I was continuing my research on ENT specialized clinics and hospitals in Korea as the primary reason for my rhinoplasty is to fix my breathing problems (secondary aesthetics). I happened to chance upon GNG Hospital which specializes in Rhinoplasty and breathing problems (sleep apnea etc.). It all seemed good until I realized that it had rather wide connections overseas along with medical tourism agencies like DocDoc. This together with the lack of reviews and comments online seems rather shady/biased so I'd like to inquire if any of you have had any positive/negative experiences here. There does seem to be a lack of mention about this hospital around forums and I am afraid it may be another hospital like JW etc. Also, for a hospital that caters to international patients, I'm sure the prices are blown up to far more exorbitant prices than the already inflated prices. Would love to hear your inputs, and if possible recommendations for other ENT surgeons / clinics / hospitals who perform plastic surgery too, thanks! P.S. Hoping to find a surgeon that performs microdebrider turbinoplasty on top of the usual septoplasty and other aesthetic procedures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hcolumbus Posted October 8, 2016 Author Share Posted October 8, 2016 I'd like to add that my obsession with obtaining a totally functional nose that is aesthetic has resulted in my preference for an ENT surgeon. I believe many people are unaware that a aesthetic nose may result in functional problems such as reduced nasal passage way resulting in breathing difficulties. It's fine if you can live with it, but personally I find it rather a huge hindrance. Reduced nasal passages can result from different procedures meant to give your nose its desired shape, including lateral osteotomy, narrowing of nasal cartilage (to a certain extent) and alar reduction ( smaller nostrils ). I guess what I'd like to say is please do proper research before going ahead with your surgeries especially one like rhinoplasty where it may affect your quality of living which is ultimately what I believe everyone hopes to improve on with plastic surgery.http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/841574-overview#a5https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4907167/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twocupcakes Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 I'm in a similar boat. The doctors I've seen in Australia haven't been especially enthusiastic about reducing enlarged turbinates. They basically said that it's not worth the risk of complications, and they'll probably just grow back again, so it's not worth the cost and recovery time either. But I suppose if you're going to be getting surgery, anyway, you might as well, right? I've been looking at Baroko, which I guess translates to "Just Noses". They only perform nose surgeries and nothing else. The results look good, but I can't tell if maybe they're just for some very specific cases. He has a whole page about using septal cartilage, when just about every source I've read says most Asians don't have enough of it to satisfactorily augment the nose. He also does closed rhinoplasties, if scarring is a concern.http://baroko.co.kr/m/htm/nose_11_01.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hcolumbus Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 Great find! It's the first website that I've seen showing turbinate reductions. Plus the doctor is an ENT so that seems to be in order. However, I've a feeling that the inferior turbinate reduction is through radiofrequency to burn the soft tissues (according to a rough google translated result that says "cauterization" which has been shown to be subpar when compared to microdebrider assisted turbinoplasty. Not so sure about their English translator tho. (btw, huge risk when undergoing turbinoplasty as it may cause "empty nose syndrome", in case you didn't know about it) For Asians, if you've a bulbous, wide or flat nose, chances are you can't use septal cartilage or any nasal cartilage to shape your nose. It is true which is why so many doctors prefer using implants. But what they don't tell you is that implants barely last for a life time, with most of them giving you problems a few years down the road (Up to 20% < 5 years and probably a higher number in say, 30-50 years? Speculations for second part of course because there ain't no sizable subjects that have had modern implants in their noses for 50 years??). Now back to septal cartilage in Asians, if what the doctor advertises seems too good to be true, it probably is false. If there isn't even enough septal cartilage to begin with, how would it be possible to actually use existing septal cartilage to shape other parts of your nose. On the other hand, using nasal cartilage is rather risky because if the surgeon uses too much, we run the risk of having a nasal wall collapse a few years down the road. After reading a considerable number of journals on how rhinoplasty works, I'm beginning to question my decision to alter the shape of my nose for aesthetics. Of course, functionally speaking, chances of correcting breathing stands a higher chance of success rate, as septoplasty is relatively easy to complete with little complication (think straightening something crooked). The problem arises when the main structure of the nose is meddled with for aesthetics reason, affecting the integrity and stability that we were born predisposed with. I guess it's the risk we're all willing to take for aesthetics, and a much higher one at that for us Asians. Resources:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3199839/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3938693/http://synapse.koreamed.org/DOIx.php?id=10.3342/kjorl-hns.2011.54.8.532&vmode=PUBREADER P.S. I've found a hospital that is extremely far away from Seoul that does microdebrider assisted turbinoplasty. Its in Gwangju, so if you're interested you could check it out.http://www.kch.or.kr/eng/about.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twocupcakes Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 The clinic offers both coblatian and microdebrider methods, but it's transliterated into Korean phonetically on the website, so Google Translate doesn't pick it up very well. It comes up with Kobeul Radar and Dev Rider . _ . I'd prefer using autologous materials for my nose, but a 12% complication rate (with rib cartilage) seems pretty high. On the plus side, attempts at growing living cartilage using stem cells have been pretty promising. So, hey, maybe in another 15 years, we'll be able to grow cartilage for rhinoplasties~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hcolumbus Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 I see, I see. You're proficient in the language? I'll be starting on the language in a month time to at least pick up some basic command of the language while in a completely foreign country. Ah oh well, no hope for us till then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twocupcakes Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Eh... my Korean is okay. Sort of. Like, for a normal person it's okay. But when you consider that I used to live in Korea, then my Korean is actually pretty bad, hahaha. I can order McDonald's, at least, so I survived! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantz Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Hey girls/boys, you both seem so to have so much knowledge May I ask how did you find these hospitals? I mean Baroko, the other one where they perform microdebrider assisted turbinoplasty, etc? What did you type and where? Google or naver? Korean or english? Sorry for the many questions, I'm trying to improve my research keys, which are basically using english words and google translate I have seen GNG mentioned in sooyoung, many times, for facial contouring though, so I suppose they market on the chinese, and the price might be inflated because of that indeed.. Thank you! Hope to find the right doctors both of you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoseye Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Hi Hcolumbus. Thank you for your information, I have been thinking the same. I am considering to have alarm base reduction and just by trying yourself pressing the nosrtils little smaller, you can alreasdy feel the big difference in breathing, so little worried. I wonder is it a relevant and inevitable thing in rhinoplasty for the breathing to change and people don´t mention it. I haven´t have nose surgery. Can someon tell? Did you have some problem with JW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hcolumbus Posted November 24, 2016 Author Share Posted November 24, 2016 Sorry for the late reply, have been rather busy lately. That is my exact sentiments and something I've been rather worried about too. But according to the information I've gathered, reducing the size of the nostrils (external nasal valve) are not really critical in the breathing process. it's the internal nasal valve, a little inside the nose near the inferior turbinate that poses as the bottleneck for air flow. If you're already breathing fine, I suppose a slight reduction in the nostrils wouldn't do no harm, perhaps at most a 10% reduction in breathing, but not something to be concerned about. You should always check with your doctor as will I, should I proceed with the surgery, and hopefully everything will be alright. Til date, I'm still pretty convinced that rhinoplasty is sort of a hit and miss situation when acquiring success. More of than not, it's a miss but pretty sure I'm pessimistic when it comes to that. Oh well, I guess a better way around would be to deal with the demons within our heads and the endless chase of physical perfection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hcolumbus Posted November 24, 2016 Author Share Posted November 24, 2016 Well I'm pretty lazy with my research so I just google something like "best ENT Korea". Have a really bad feeling that this will be my eventual downfall when finding a hospital Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p-joann14 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 does anyone have any more information about GNG? I cant seem to find their contact info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarhead64 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I couldn't agree anymore. I think too many people go blind sighted into surgery with only aesthetic improvement on their mind, not realizing the functional issues that can result from it. Most plastic surgery "clinics" only work on cosmetic improvement, and have no regards whatsoever to the functional issues that can arise from it. GNG is in actual hospital, rather than a clinic, judging from their Korean site, its a 10 floor building http://www.gngface.co.kr/ I don't know much about this hospital either, but they seem to not market much to foreigners, which is probably a good sign. Probably doing well enough with the locals, i guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyolly1 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Did you end up checking them out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelypeach Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 GNG is famous for their rhino they are well speacialized in that area and they do have an english website (only for rhino) Do you guys think it's possible to get FC at GNG? A chinese girl went there for FC and she had amazing results! I'm not fluent in Korean thought it might be a little difficult to communicate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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