pinkcats-purplepeonies Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 Hello Ladies, I am Looking to get rhinoplasty and chin reduction (is this considered facial contouring also?) in conjunction with the other. I have also been considering a jaw shave, just a slight shave nothing so drastic. I had originally considered travelling to central Europe for the rhinoplasty with Dr. Osuch in Warsaw, Poland as he offers amazing price and is highly recommended. Since he is based in central Europe and deals largely with Caucasian features and myself being Caucasian, I believed this was a good match and he would be the most competent to deliver the best rhinoplasty result for me. But he does not do chin reduction nor is a maxillofacial specialist so I can't get both procedures done at the same time if I choose Osuch solely for rhinoplasty . Although the rhinoplasty may be good. He does facelifts however and I had considered getting rhinoplasty and facelift with him, thinking that a facelift would correct my asymmetry of my chin and jaw by lifting the soft tissue upwards thus improving the shape and contour of the jaw and chin and overall plump my cheeks from the major weight loss i have suffered. (I am 27 btw.) But I am not certain of this. So then I thought perhaps I should try to source a plastic surgeon or clinic who specialises in both rhino and chin reduction/facial contouring/V line/ maxillofacial specialist. This has led me to consider the possibility of either travelling to South Korea for these procedures(I read GNG is highly esteemed and TL) or Japan (I will be in Japan this year anyway so it seems convenient, such is South Korea since it is close from Japan.) But I am not sure the surgeons here could give me the best rhinoplasty as i'm Caucasian. And I also read possible foreign clients have been denied treatment by some clinics in Japan. There is also the highly likely outcome of being charged more for the surgeries for being foreign although I have researched how to combat this (bargain with the surgeon/consultant etc.) With regards to South Korea or Japan for these surgeries, I feel lost in sourcing a translator, accomodation etc and don't exactly know the best approach in organising this. I think I would feel the most comfortable to undertake these procedures in Europe, but I don't know a good clinic or surgeon for both rhino and chin reduction/ featuring a maxillofacial specialist. I am still open to SK and Japan if anyone can recommended or advise good clinics for both rhino and chin related procedures. I am also interested in less trauma procedures for chin reduction. I read here someone advised Dr. Lucian Ion of Harley Street London can correct and shave the chin with method involving laser and less trauma. Do you know any other places which offer such method? The reason I enquire this is because the less trauma involved during the procedure would be most optimal for me, I have a root canal from a few years ago that I worry a procedure involving the Chin and around that area (even jaw) could affect it. Really, it is my preference to have these procedures done in one operation. Any suggestions, ideas, recommendations? Would love to hear what you think. Thanks Ladies.
pinkcats-purplepeonies Posted February 3, 2018 Author Posted February 3, 2018 No advice or response whatsoever? That's such, a disappointment. I had heard this community was so helpful and knowledgeable. Now, I don't think so much anymore. I honestly thought you'd have answers to these questions with your priceless advice. Oh well guess I was wrong.
eurasianbeauty Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 We're here to share and help when we can. There are many threads, so this may have gotten lost. Or someone who has seen it doesn't have personal experience with what you are asking. That is especially possible since most people here are Asian or half Asian. You are not. Also, most surgeries here have been done in Korea. So unless someone who has seen this has some experience in Japanese surgery, they can not answer your questions. It's also Friday (today), so many people are out. Seoul is a day ahead, so when you posted this on Thursday, it was Friday there.
perceval Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 Woah, you gotta be patient dude, especially if your starter thread is long. People actually take the time to read things and if there's something different they've never seen before they must look into it more before they reply. You don't want someone to reply with something that is inaccurate that you end up with a botched job because you followed their flawed advice. And as Eurasianbeauty said, threads get will get no replies right away unless someone that knows the answers is online to give that information to you. If not, the other threads will pile over it. Just bump the thread if it's no longer on the first page. I too had to wait a day or two to get replies to my thread since I had a lot of information I was seeking to get help on. Just be patient and hopefully someone with experience or some knowledge will come and help you. For now, you should help yourself with some research just as I did when I was waiting. Please don't take this in any wrong way, we are only just trying to let you know why you weren't able to get any replies right away. Now, I can answer just a couple of questions. Yes, Korean clinics can work with any type of nose. You just have to make sure to communicate with the doctor by telling him what you're looking for. Be sure to compile a couple of pictures and show them to him, it'll help give an idea as to what you're looking for. Try to be as realistic though. I do agree with GNG being a good clinic for nose, but I'm not too sure about TL? I'd have to look more into that one. View has specialists in both facial contouring and rhinoplasty but don't take my word for it. You should visit as many clinics as you can and choose one that you know will give you the best results and care. Most Korean clinics will have a translator ready to assist you and help you communicate with the doctor. If they don't seem passionate or something's off, you should probably not have your surgery done at that clinic. Chances are that they didn't communicate fully to the doctor with your wants/needs. As for Japan, if they don't want to work with Caucasian patients then that probably means that they have no experience with them and therefore they don't want to take the risks. I wouldn't want to go there to have my surgery done if that is the case. Just my personal perspective on that. Also, yes, you can bargain with clinics if they charge you more than the local price. But let me give you an idea as to why they do that. Translators (that work at the clinics), medicine, extra care (yes, because they need to make sure that you're fine before you leave as they know you won't be staying around for long). Actually lemme just paste this here, since I kind of suck at explaining this lol:https://ibb.co/dg2DR6 Read on that, I cut out the first line since the person said something that was a little rude. I know you probably don't care what I'm trying to explain here but I think you will understand. Sorry for the long post, I hope this helps you a bit for a start.
csolare Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 I agree, it took me a week to get a few replies but once they started they kept coming! You just have to be patient, as people here tend to update threads very quickly. GNG has some ample experience with non east asian faces and in my opinion they look absolutely amazing. It's all up to you but I would personally not look to TL for rhinoplasty; it's not what they're known for in any case, and the results are very underwhelming; they also don't seem to be well versed in having diverse results, which may not be what you want as a non-east asian person. But make your own judgement, as this is entirely my opinion. Visiting clinics and doing online consultations will help you in deciding which surgeon (not clinic) is the best for your case. if the problem with your chin is excess fat (double chin, soft tissue) then yeah, acculift or some kind of less invasive sculpting may help. Otherwise, if you mean you have chin bone asymmetry then that's more of a facial contouring technique that requires either shaving or some kind of osteotomy. Just remember that bargaining, like any other practice, is a bit of an art. First thing you need to do is internalize average foreigner prices for your situation (number of procedures, complexity, high or low season, head surgeon or not, qualifications of said surgeon, what they offer as extra services, etc...) You want to bargain to a fairer price but you absolutely do not want to lowball or insult them. Don't compare clinic to clinic, but rather, service to service and determine what matters to you more. You can offer to do a real story/be a model, take b/a photos, say you're willing to write a review for them on social media/forums (please only do this if you genuinely can write a review for them though lol,) etc...Be firm in the amount you're willing to pay but know realistically how much you're going to pay on average.
phoai Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 My personal experience at TL was good(I'm Asian though), I did vline and revision rhinoplasty and I love the result, I saw a lot of good reviews related to GNG as well! You better contact as many clinics as possible to make a right choice, Good luck
perceval Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Oh, no. Not yet. I don't plan to until I'm out of college but I'm only going to them for facial contouring, because I'm not so sure about rhinoplasty. I might have my rhinoplasty done at GNG.
pinkcats-purplepeonies Posted February 10, 2018 Author Posted February 10, 2018 @Perceval @csolare Update: For the moment I've decided a good step forward is to book a consultation in my country first, to get a plastic surgoen's opinion on the best procedures suited to my individual case, which will also enable me to get any concerns and questions addressed by a medical professional. From this I can then confirm the procedures I should get. For a rhinoplasty, chin reduction (V-line/facial contouring), possible facelift (I'm thinking this may be necessary to correct any sagginess from excess skin after a procedure like V line or something similar), do you know a rough price estimate at GNG? (I know you can't give me an exact estimate, but a rough figure would be helpful.)@Perceval So you are looking to get your surgery done in summer? I too have studies to finish and am looking to get it done soon after, which would be summer. You are getting your rhinoplasty at GNG and facial contouring at view? Is that a better plan rather than getting both done in the same op? How are you organising It? Having a rhino done one week and the facial contouring a week after or something?
csolare Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 I'm not perceval but if you're doing it separately then yeah they'd be done about a week or so apart to be safe. Facelift at the same time as vline is uncommon and only recommended if you have more mature skin or if it's obvious your skin elasticity is not strong enough. otherwise. it isn't a practical option regardless of the fact that it theoretically sounds logical. rhinoplasty starts at 4.5 million as a base price at gng and goes up depending on complexity of the procedure, whether or not you need functional, whether it's high or low season, and which surgeon you choose. bargaining is easy as long as you have leverage (multiple procedures etc...) i recommend low seasons because you can get a great discount. alarplasty is 1 million won extra or less if you're getting other procedures with it. functional starts from 1-2 million won individually but it's cheaper if you get other procedures with it, like everything else I'm going to mention lol. revision rhino starts at 5.5 million. v line starts from 7-10 million and can go up depending on how many procedures. if you're JUST getting chin surgery then it starts at 5.5 million. not sure about facelift but it's going to be in a similar price range. the more you get done, the more bargaining power you have. if you're strategic about when you go you could get a huge discount. watch out for promotions too ^^ for example, a big 25% off combined procedures promo just passed haha.
perceval Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 Yeah by looking at the calendar for South Korea: http://www.jobmonkey.com/asia/school_calendar_in_s_k_/ It'd make things easier for me since I'll graduate around May and no one in South Korea gets on summer break until mid July. Clinics won't fill up as fast and the doctors won't be in much of a rush hopefully, which is why I'm aiming for times when people are still in school. I will be doing facial contouring first. Then I'm planning to wait six months until I go for my rhinoplasty. That way I have enough time to heal and the doctors get a better idea of how my nose should turn out to be. You want to make sure that the doctors stay somewhat within the golden ratio, so waiting for swelling to go down would be best. It's up to you though. If you want to do both at the same time that's fine. But people who do any facial contouring and rhinoplasty at the same time have complications breathing on the first day. People that do a lot of invasive surgeries in one go normally turn out not looking so natural. Which is why I want to space out my invasive surgeries. If you're looking to do something invasive and then something minor (like facial contouring and then double eyelid), then that won't affect you much. I'd do facial contouring first and then rhinoplasty. Just wait six months out, or if you recover faster, you can go in a little earlier. Six months is just a time frame for the healing process. In the end though, it's what fits your schedule and what matches your preferences. If you can't or don't want to wait six months until your rhinoplasty, please at least give yourself a week to recover from the facial contouring as csolare said.
pinkcats-purplepeonies Posted February 10, 2018 Author Posted February 10, 2018 @Perceval Oh yes I'm well aware of the golden ratio myself, funny, it was something I was keen to request for my surgery. I heard rhinoplasty and chin reduction (or any kind of surgery regarding the chin area) is good to do together and is often done at the same time so both can be crafted in harmony and good proportion in relation to the other. Yeah I hope to have surgery in mid June, before July anyway. Unfortunately I can't do what you are free to do which is surgery in May because I don't finish until early june which sucks because I just want to get these procedures done as soon as possible. I will be travelling and undertaking this alone but I'm fine with that. Organising and preparation beforehand will make things run smoothly without complication I guess. I do feel excited about it and I hope it turns out well. What are your main concerns you want to address through PS? And how do you feel about it
perceval Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 Ah, if that's the case then go right ahead. I wasn't too sure as I'm asked about cases like jaw and rhinoplasty (which is what I'm doing). My problems are that I have a square jaw, and I have a slight hump on my nose which is noticeable from my profile (I'm Caucasian too by the way). My face doesn't seem to be balanced and so I'm hoping that a little bit of shaving and some fat grafting will make me look less like a guy and more youthful. A lot of people tell me I look like I'm 30-40 years old. It sucks because I've never done anything harmful to my body (like smoking or drinking) that would cause my skin to slightly sag a bit. It could just be genetics, as I also resemble my dad more than my mom (which also explains why I look more like a guy). I don't hate myself, I just want to improve my looks and enhance myself is all. I'm pretty confident that through a lot of time and effort put into research will give me the looks that I'd love to have.
csolare Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 I wouldn't be so determined to do it all at once. If anything, my opinion (since i was originally going to get BA as well on this trip) would be to separate the BA in a separate procedure, perhaps a week or so before/after the others. It'll already be incredibly difficult to breathe with facial surgery and rhinoplasty (but doable,) let alone adding an elephant type weight on your chest from the BA. out of these 3 procedures I'd do 2 of them at a time at most, and this is coming from someone who's getting her entire face fixed in one go haha. Opera, Regen, DAPRS, and TLPS are quite popular for breasts. They offer other procedures but I can't vouch for each one.
csolare Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 I'd say it's more than hard haha. I wouldn't recommend it because of the recovery processes conflicting but if you feel you can handle it go ahead! Make sure your surgeons are willing to take that risk, though. A lot of consultants/doctors will heavily advise against doing BA + multiple larger facial procedures (not eyes or fg or something) because of the recovery process. Opera for example, is pretty against it in general. However, if they say it's medically fine then you're good to go. Its very difficult to find a clinic that can do all of it well though so good luck!! I still really want to do BA but I'd be doing is separately haha. There are benefits to doing it all in one go though. Yeah, you have to go on a liquid diet. Depending on what you do/how many procedures it can be up to a week of liquid diet. Make sure you're not just defaulting on protein shakes because you need nutrients to recover from all of those procedures, try blended+strained smoothies, soups, etc...^^ Only two jaw requires a clear liquid diet I believe so you'll be fine, just make sure you drink enough to sustain you, else you risk losing more weight than you want (remember, you walk a lot more in Korea!)
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