californiarollin1992 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 When I initially set out on my PS journey, I had only wanted to get lateral canthoplexy and/or lateral canthoplasty and potentially epicanthoplasty since I did not like my eye shape (sweeps up at the outer corners, giving the illusion of shorter eyes). But seeing that the prices of rhinoplasty were lower than I had originally believed, I started doing research on the surgery, especially since I was shaping my nose daily with makeup anyway. As it turns out, in the end, none of the six clinics I visited recommended that I do anything to my eyes. Because they go downward in the middle, lateral canthoplexy would reveal too much of the whites underneath my pupils :’( At my insistence, some surgeons said they could excise 1mm for epicanthoplasty and 3mm for lateral, but they said the difference would be minor and that my eyes were fine the way they were. With lateral canthoplasty, I also ran the risk of showing too much pink at my outer corners. Because the potential improvements to my eyes were not worth the scars and side effects, I ultimately decided to leave them alone. Rhinoplasty would be the best choice, as it would not only improve my nose and profile, but also make my eyes look less “lost” on my face (I have definitely noticed that eyes shorter than mine are not noticeably short when the radix is more defined). Luckily enough for me, all the surgeons I visited recommended the same things for my nose: osteotomy to shave the sides, removal of some tissue and fat from the tip + elongation and projection, and a 3-4 mm implant. Below are my experiences with the seven clinics I visited in the order in which I visited:Opera: This felt surreal because it was my first consultation. I came here interested in consulting about my eye procedures since I had heard good things about Opera’s work on eyes and the prices are cheap (~$700 USD for non-incisional DES, $~700 for each lateral and epi, ~2240 for nose and tip with an additional ~$450 I believe for each add-on nose procedure). I figured that since I was there, I might as well ask the nose surgeon for recommendations as well. The consultant was sweet without being overly nice or pushy, but the consultation itself was very forgettable. Opera recommended nose and tip with alarplasty, which I was not keen on getting. It was one of the only clinics to not recommend osteotomy right away, which I think would be a major improvement. Opera also could not show me any before-and-after pictures that were not done-up selfies. I did not leave feeling confident at all in the clinic, but that may have also been because it was my first consultation and I wasn’t prepared to ask as many questions as I did in my later consultations.MVP: The consultation was free of charge (some PFers had reported a 10,000 KRW fee). There was a bit of a wait on Saturday at 12:00 PM and there was a lot of intermittent waiting when the English-speaking consultant, Elizabeth, would leave. Elizabeth herself was very friendly, e.g., when I was leaving, I told her that I had not eaten or slept the night before, so she shoved a handful of the clinic’s cookies and candy into my bag. A few hours later, she sent me a message on WhatsApp asking where I was staying and if I had had anything to eat because she was, quote on quote, worried about me. I definitely think it’s her way of winning over patients. She asked about the other clinics I was consulting with and made faces at some of my responses, haha. She also mentioned the Kakao rhinoplasty community from a previous year, but after seeing my reaction to that, she hurriedly said that she was too busy to check it out. But she does visit PF, as I am sure many of the clinics that target foreigners do. Of course, none of this indicates the surgeon’s level of skill. But I digress, I had chosen MVP because of 1) positive reviews on PF about Dr. Seo’s work on eyes, especially his stitch work, which is one of the most important factors for the eye surgeries I was considering, 2) its low prices (further lowered when I bargained and offered before-and-after pictures), and 3) the site’s B&A photos. At my request, Dr. Seo showed how my eyes would look with epi and lateral. I was pretty set on getting lateral here until my last set of consultations, when surgeons brought up more of the complications I was at decently high risk for. Elizabeth also gave off the impression of being overly positive so I felt like the clinic was less inclined to warn me about those things and decided better not to risk it and throw away money/get a botched result.Dream: Looked and felt the most commercial. Made me wait almost an hour...The translator was stiff and I did not care for her nose (I believe Dr. Park had done it). Since Dream determined I needed open rhinoplasty, I was assigned a surgeon I did not recognize to consult with. The price quoted for eyes and nose was the highest of all the clinics I inquired (5.5 mil KRW just for open rhinoplasty, and I think they gave a small discount for also doing eyes), and I did not care enough to bargain with them.Hanabi: Hanabi is not very widely spoken about on this forum, but I had read here that a renowned ENT rhinoplasty specialist had recommended Dr. Chang Euk, and I liked the work on Hanabi's site. Plus, I was quoted only $3,500 USD for nose and tip + $500 for osteotomy. The consultation was noticeably more thorough than at the clinics I had visited before this one, which would turn out to be the case for every consultation with an ENT. The downside was the 10,000 KRW charge for a CT scan. However, I really liked Dr. Chang because he was patient, soft-spoken, and appeared very knowledgeable. He thoroughly explained the structure of my nose with the CT scan (he was the first to point out my minor hump) and demonstrated with images from a Powerpoint the type of changes he would make to my nose. At my request, he showed me more before and after photos, the results of which I liked and wished were on the website haha. The consultant also offered to throw in cheek + fat grafting for an additional $1,000, as well as complimentary laser and oxygen tank deswelling post-op (I had been under the impression that this was free with every rhinoplasty, but she told me it is usually only for severer cases). At this point, I was very strongly considering Hanabi, but still wanted to finish up my other consultations. The most annoying thing about the process is that even after my consultation, Hanabi didn’t provide me a direct way to contact the doctor or consultants. I had to speak through the marketer, Tony, who had been a bit slow to respond and stopped responding altogether after I left the clinic.Baum: I was impressed by the before-and-after photos on Baum's blog and had read positive things about Dr. Park (also ENT). Plus, Baum was pretty cheap at $2,500 USD for nose and tip. The clinic could probably afford to charge less because it was not as upscale as the others I visited. They performed a CT scan on me, after which Dr. Park explained much of the same things that Dr. Chang had. He understood my request for a more natural result and allowed for a 2.5-3 mm implant (every other surgeon recommended 3-4). Baum was the only clinic to charge me for hump removal (this shaving was included in the bridge work at other clinics because mine is very minor/invisible from the front). That and osteotomy were $700 each, for a combined total of $3,900, which is not bad at all. However, Baum did not really offer much in the way of aftercare so I still preferred Hanabi at this point. Baum also said I had to use gortex for my nose (extra $100), which Dr. Chang had also said was suitable for my nose, but I really did not want to because I had read of some girls’ problems with that material and it makes revision more difficult. I also did not care much for the consultants at this clinic, though it is not so big a deal. They giggled at some of the things I said and at my attempts to bargain lolNamu: The eye surgeon here was the one who most strongly recommended against lateral canthoplasty for me. Considering this clinic is known for dolly eyes, I decided to heed its warning. My friend had set a consultation with the head nose surgeon for us but Namu ended up assigning us a doctor we did not recognize. I asked about gortex for my nose and was told it was not recommended because I do not have thin skin. Namu was the only clinic of the seven I visited to offer a discount with cash. After bargaining, I was able to secure a good price for forehead fat grafting (which I became really interested in after Hanabi’s consultant suggested it lool) and rhinoplasty with osteotomy. After having consulted several ENT surgeons at rhinoplasty-oriented clinics, consultations of this sort paled now in comparison.
californiarollin1992 Posted April 2, 2018 Author Posted April 2, 2018 GNG: I was most interested in GNG thanks to its glowing reviews on PF, as I am sure you ladies have read. GNG’s surgeons are also ENT and unlike the clinics I visited, GNG is an actual hospital, which is a comfort during and after surgery. One thing for which GNG is known on this forum is its post-op care, as well as its skill in handling foreign patients; both were important to me because I will be in Korea alone and returning home a week later. Of the numerous clinics I had researched online, GNG had the most authentic-looking and extensive gallery of before-and-after pictures on its English website, and most importantly I liked most of the results. My friend (I met her on PF!) and I decided to consult with Dr. Hong in particular based on positive reviews and before-and-after pictures from former patients on PF. We showed up near closing time because we got lost and our taxi driver did not speak English, but thankfully, GNG was able to accommodate us. Julia, the consultant you may have spoken with on Kakao, was much quicker to respond on the day of consultation and very nice/chill without being over the top. Anyway, the first thing I noticed walking in was that the consultants were not so plastic looking as in the other clinics, which was a good sign for me! As for Dr. Hong, he was not very talkative but quick to point out the condition of my nose as well as what I needed to change. He even noted the minor asymmetry that other surgeons had not made me aware of. He skillfully Photoshopped my profile to show the changes he would make to my nose bridge and at my request, how this would look in conjunction with fat grafting to the forehead (though my forehead is on the flatter side, he did not push this additional procedure on me). I left feeling confident in Dr. Hong's level of skill, which is important because I had discovered from my consultations that there is no way for the surgeon to tell you exactly what the end result will be, since he is only able to determine some variables (the amount your skin can stretch, etc.) during the operation (hence the reason no surgeon I visited Photoshopped my nose from the front). I also liked that I was explicitly told I would be having another consultation to finalize what I wanted on the day of surgery. Now the moment of truth: Discussing the price. To be honest, my friend and I had walked through the door feeling fairly confident that there was no way in hell we would be able to afford GNG, especially with the recent talk in group chats of price hikes, etc. I was willing to pay more for GNG because of its rapport on PF and its level of aftercare, but only to a certain extent because I also trusted Dr. Chang and had no qualms doing surgery with him. GNG's prices for silicone implant + tipplasty are actually still the same as those quoted online. They are higher in person only in the sense that the sales consultant provides post-VAT prices, which are, of course, 10% more. As I was bargaining, the impression I got was that GNG would not lower its price too much if you are looking to get only one procedure. However, because I was doing nose with osteotomy and fat grafting with PRP, and my friend nose, incisional double eyelid with ptosis, and fat grafting to the forehead and chin with PRP, I was able to secure a bundle discount by paying my deposit on the spot. I am not at liberty to discuss the price I paid since it is not part of an advertised promotion, but I will say that it was more affordable than people make it out to be. I was super happy about this because I was leaving the next morning and had been almost certain I was going to have to go through the hassle of wiring a deposit internationally to my clinic of choice. Well, that is all for now, guys! I will update this post after my operation >.< Wish me luck!
californiarollin1992 Posted April 8, 2018 Author Posted April 8, 2018 Surgery Day I arrived at Incheon airport at 5 AM and was picked up by GNG’s driver (24/7 service), who brought me to the recovery room I would be staying in after surgery. I did not get an ounce of sleep on the flight, nor could I snooze in the room because of the bed's firmness. At 9 AM, Julia brought me down to pay for surgery (was allowed to pay half in KRW, half on my debit card), do my blood test, etc. I must say I am impressed that with the nurse who drew my blood because this was the only time I barely felt it! I returned to my room for a few more hours, at which point I was praying for the surgery to happen already because I was so bored and could not fall asleep. Around noon, Julia and the sales consultant had me fill out consent forms that stated the possible risks of surgery as well as post-op precautions. At the last minute, the sales consultant noted that I used my forehead muscles a lot to open my eyes and would therefore need botox so as to not disfigure the fat grafting. They left me to rest up in the room for another hour until Dr. Hong was ready for my surgery. Julia then escorted me to the operating room, where I once again had to face my fear of needles; I dreaded the IV needle more than the actual procedure lol!! I was made to breathe into the oxygen mask and then I was out. I awoke around 6:45 PM with what was the most swelling I would have during recovery. The first thing I did was touch my now-massive forehead, which felt really alien-like hahaha. I had a bit of vertigo but no pain at all. I barely even felt soreness in my thighs where they removed the fat for my forehead. My nose throbbed here and there but it was not too unpleasant. The nurse took me to the oxygen tank before returning me to the recovery room, where I had to wait an hour for the anesthesia to leave my system before I could drink water. I was still not sleepy and immediately went on my laptop to do some light reading. I also opened Photo Booth and the first thing I noticed was not my nose but my eyes. Because of the swelling from my radix, my inner corners were pulled around 2 mm and my eyes looked noticeably longer. I was glad that my nose didn’t look too upturned and my nostrils weren’t that much more visible than before surgery, which means it will only look better in a few weeks’ time! I definitely noticed an improvement to my profile even with all the swelling. However, that night was the worst part of my first week post-op by far because even though I was exhausted, I could not fall asleep (managed two and a half to three hours cumulatively after 14 hours of trying). If the bed was bad before, it was was worse now with the flat pillow and incline. My forehead was also very heavy and swollen and ached every time I subconsciously raised my eyebrows, which were frozen now with botox. My mouth and throat were parched from the surgery and mouth-breathing and stuck together. I was able to fall asleep for hour-long intervals with my travel pillow once I learned to rest my eyes, but before that I wanted to cry from the frustration of drifting back into consciousness every time I was about to fall asleep because of the way my body was contorted.Day 1 Post-Op The nurse stuck an IV into my arm and served me pumpkin porridge, of which I could only eat half because it was way too sweet. I gave up on resting pretty early and went on my phone. GNG was nice enough to rearrange the room scheduling so that I could have the room for however long I needed since my Airbnb host wouldn’t be ready for me until 3 PM. I went to the convenience store next to the hospital for some frozen food after I was provided pumpkin porridge again for lunch. I also received my aftercare bag with instructions, the main ones being that I had to take a different assortment of pills (antihistamines, antibiotics, etc.) with every meal, apply an antibiotic ointment 2-3x a day to my stitches, and try not to wear the cotton pad under my nose if I could help it since it could breed infection. Hazel was at the clinic that day and she and Julia were sweet enough to keep me company until their driver took me to my Airbnb!
maliboo Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 hi ash thank you for one of the more detailed reviews of consultations thus far. looking forward to more updates, your results look really gorgeous for day six!
nochu Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 Very detailed consultation recaps. I liked how you mentioned pricing and doctors' specialties. Good luck on your recovery and please keep us updated. You mentioned Tony the marketer. Is that that same Tony from Seoul Guide Medical? I was interested in them and curious what the experience is like with their assistance.
californiarollin1992 Posted April 10, 2018 Author Posted April 10, 2018 I don't think it is? I think this one is employed by Hanabi
californiarollin1992 Posted April 29, 2018 Author Posted April 29, 2018 Hey guys! Have been super busy with school but also have grown a bit obsessed with checking back on this site so I have been doing a lot of lurking but not a lot of updating lol. Will post more about my rhino experience in the coming weeks but feel free to PM me if you want to see b/a pics, and I will get back to you in a few days I have already posted some on Kakao (my ID starts with "A" and ends in "PS"), so disregard this if you have already seen them! Keep in mind that I am still early in my recovery process and those with thick skin who undergo tipplasty usually have to wait ~1.5 years or so to see the final form of the bottom of the nose (swelling has to go down + the skin in the tip area has to contract + the tip is expected to absorb some of the cartilage and drop a bit)
Wondermuffin Posted April 29, 2018 Posted April 29, 2018 Hi do you mind sharing how much Namu quoted you for eyes and nose?
californiarollin1992 Posted April 29, 2018 Author Posted April 29, 2018 Hey, they advised against my doing anything to my eyes, but for nose with osteotomy and forehead fat grafting, after I bargained a little and offered to pay in cash, they quoted me $4.5 mil, which is roughly $4,200.
californiarollin1992 Posted May 11, 2018 Author Posted May 11, 2018 This is so damn late but oh well LOL. Typed these up at the time but made my final edits today now that I have finished school: Day 2: Woke up feeling like something had slept on my face (probably also because I went to bed at 5 AM and woke at 8). The swelling felt worse than the day before, to the point where my double eyelids had turned into monolids. The purple around my nose was becoming more yellow. I fell back asleep two hours later when I was icing my face and ended up being late to my nose packing removal, oops. This was the coldest day of my stay, but I didn’t have time to find socks so I hurriedly threw on sandals; my feet were freezing during my mile-long speed walk from my Airbnb. The nose packing removal was by far the most painful part of the entire process, especially because one side of my nose had healed worse than the other. It was an odd sensation too, because you felt something coming out from far up your nose and all this pain and pressure at the same time. My eyes watered, but the pain was not too bad in the side that had healed better. I actually still couldn’t breathe through my nose though because I had a lot of mucous and you’re not supposed to blow your nose after surgery, but I had gotten used enough to mouth-breathing at this point that I was not too bothered. Julia then scheduled me to come back on my sixth day post-op—moved up a day probably because of scheduling conflicts with the fat-grafting doctor I had to see—to remove my cast and stitches. After leaving the hospital, I used my hair-washing voucher (remember to ask for one!) since the salon was only a minute away. By the end of the day, my swelling had gone down tremendously and my double eyelids had returned. The worst of the swelling was over! Day 3: My inner eye corners no longer looked so long! Day 4: Most of the major swelling around my nose had disappeared, but the area was purplish. Day 5: The yellowish bruising started to kick it, but it was so subtle that another girl from PF whom I met up with said she could barely see it! PM me if you want pics of my healing from this day Aside from that (and the cast of course), I looked very normal! Walked a few miles this day. Day 6: Cast and stitches came off early in the morning. I was definitely not mentally prepared to see my results. Before my operation, I had thought that the nose swelling would help conceal my rhino and that my main problem would instead be the incisional scar on my columnella, but the scar was actually not already faint and almost flesh-colored while the change in my nose was definitely obvious...More on that later. Day 7: Bruising was starting to get more yellow, but it was only two strips under my eyebag
californiarollin1992 Posted May 11, 2018 Author Posted May 11, 2018 Warning: Super long because I talk too much lolResult: Dr. Hong spent little time looking at my nose after my cast was removed, in large part because I did not raise any concerns (I am an idiot who did not look in the mirror until after he had examined me). I assume this type of speedy checkup is common practice among clinics since the process is so routine that surgeons can probably quite easily spot any abnormalities. However, I think some clinics that treat only one patient a day are more diligent in this area. If there is one thing I learned, it is that you really have to manage your expectations and mentally prepare for what you will see in the mirror after your cast is removed: a nose that may be not only foreign to you, but also different from what you had envisioned (due to swelling, but this also applies if your base precludes you from achieving the look you want). Some people look pretty good, but for others, it takes much more time to see any semblance of their desired result. I fall into this latter category. I was shocked when I saw my reflection for the first time. I had thought I would simply see a wider version of my "wish nose," but in fact, my nose looked triangular, essentially a super implant-y bridge that was connected to a wider tip. The added definition still made my nose an upgrade from my previous one and improved the overall look of my face, but it did not resemble the one in the photo I had shown. I was very worried because most of the noses I had seen in early recovery pictures had looked like bloated versions of the noses that would later take shape, whereas mine seemed to be a different shape altogether from what I had wanted! My nose also looked very asymmetric to me, though angles and the location of the light source contributed to this perception (I demanded that GNG send me the "after" photo they took so I could point out the asymmetry, but I was surprised to find that it was barely visible in the centered photo). Because we do invest so much physically, emotionally, and financially into undergoing this procedure, we become our own harshest critics once the cast comes off. For instance, the girls I met up with from PF were very blunt, yet they struggled to see what I thought was obvious asymmetry and told me my nose looked great. Similarly, as I retrospectively revisited before-and-after photos that others had posted and held them to the same level of scrutiny as I did my own nose, I was relieved to see in theirs that same asymmetry and thickness of the tip. Still, I was a bit underwhelmed and unsure of whether this outcome was the result of my anatomy/overly high expectations (swelling aside, the doctor had told me before surgery that I had slight asymmetry) or worse, a lapse in communication on my part. I had completely frozen up on my surgery-day consultation; I literally showed one photo and barely said anything more than, "I want a nose where the bridge, tip, and alars are in proportion to one another." If, like me, you are mellow and not very outspoken, bring someone with you so you can share all your concerns and details + have the greatest shot at getting the outcome you want! Because I worried that Dr. Hong had not understood my aesthetic preferences, I obsessed over my nose the first two weeks, Googling people's experiences with recovery and spamming both GNG Kakao accounts with dozens of pictures. Along that vein, from my experience and those I have read from others, one great thing about GNG is its consultants' empathy for and responsiveness to their patients. I am not sure many large clinics would have bothered to entertain my million iterations of the same queries after I had left the country, but Hazel and Julia addressed every concern within a few days' time, even if they had to keep repeating themselves (as naturally, the same questions will evoke the same responses no matter their form lool). Unfortunately, at this stage of the recovery process, unless your nose is very obviously f**cked, everyone will tell you your problems are due to swelling (that was basically the only answer I could gauge from the surgeons on RealSelf, too), and most times, they are not wrong (or at least, there is no way to know for sure otherwise). But the consultants' responses did a lot to ease my mind because they gave me confidence that they would not just abandon me if things went south later on (they even checked up on me 3.5 weeks in, unprovoked, after I had not bugged them for awhile LOL, which I found sweet). I still wanted the doctor's take, of course, but it was hard to reach him since there was nothing objectively wrong with my nose, and he would probably not have time to perform surgeries if he had to personally attend to the same handful of post-op concerns from every patient. Again, that still sucks but is just the downside of going to a larger clinic or hospital. This is easier said than done, of course, but it would be best to refrain from fixating on your nose or making snap judgments during the first month because this will likely just result in unnecessary stress. I am a little over a month post op now and I cannot believe how much my nose and forehead have shrunk. From the 15th day on is when I started seeing major improvement in my nose: My bridge began to blend in with my existing nasal structure as the swelling died down and stopped pushing my implant against my skin and my tip deswelled to be more aligned with my bridge (I had asked for a nose that was straight from the front as this seemed most achievable with my starting point). The first three weeks, I was quite depressed that I looked so unnatural and like a different person, but I am now at a point where most of my white friends can't tell I had something done (my white roommate also did not notice something was amiss lmao). The difference to my overall face may be exaggerated at some angles, but I do look better and the change in my nose is drastic while the nose itself looks natural, as I had requested. It's still odd to see how much less wide my nose is than before, but I am pleasantly surprised by how well Dr. Hong managed to create that definition while keeping my bridge and tip proportionate to my alars, which were my biggest concern prior to surgery (I had decided against reducing them). Even today, I think it is too soon to conclusively say whether or not my final result will be perfectly to my liking. Because I have thick skin and had a bulbous tip to start with, it will take a year and a half to two years to see the final look (combination of deswelling + cartilage reabsorption in the tip + the skin of the tip contracting to accommodate the smaller size, according to Real Self). As of now, however, I am very impressed with the changes and how they have harmonized my other features! That being said, there are thousands of clinics in Seoul, and we really only see the same handful of names over and over again on this forum. While I do not believe that GNG is the only place capable of delivering a great result, the good thing about having rapport among foreigners is that the clinic or hospital in this case) becomes well equipped to deal with us in its different facets of aftercare, from deswelling to correspondence. Based off my experience so far, I would recommend GNG (at least for a consult even if you don't end up getting surgery there), but everyone should do their own research to make an informed decision
californiarollin1992 Posted May 11, 2018 Author Posted May 11, 2018 Disclosure: Since there has been an influx of consultants/agents posing as patients these days and a lot of misinformation, I feel the need to state this. And I know everyone is suspicious of the GNG fanfare and quick to doubt the reviews, so I will repeat that yes, after bargaining for an hour, I did manage to secure an agreeable discount from them (getting multiple procedures/bringing my friend along + being a poor student were the greatest contributing factors imo), and as often happens with clinics that concede to your price, I had to agree to provide them with before-and-after photos at the major recovery marks (1 week, 1 month, etc.) and write reviews for them. So let that shape your opinion however you want. However, I think they are very honorable with this system and realize that the results of happy patients will speak for themselves and lead to organic growth. To be clear, the photos/reviews were not a point of emphasis and they spent literally all of 20 seconds talking to me about it. There were NO instructions for the reviews I have to post, just that they have to be done within a few months (the consent form literally says "honest reviews" and that's it) and I am NOT required to talk about my consultation experience (typed it before I even saw what was required of me in the consent forms), share photos with you guys, answer questions, persuade you in any way, etc., nor do I even have to post on this forum in particular. I have photograph evidence of my consent form that proves this as well as a Kakao response from Julia today (I was concerned after I saw another girl's post about mysteriously being offered a sleazy deal at this month at the height of GNG's growth and a discount at least double what ~everyone else who has even managed to get some sort of discount has shared) verifying that I could post anywhere. Even when the consultants were filming me for their IG stories, my only instructions were to say what was on my mind. In my last recording, I said something along the lines of, "My results have improved my appearance, but I am not fully satisfied with my nose currently so you may have to prepare yourself for that," and while I cannot verify if GNG posted the video (they have a ton of footage they forget to upload anyway), they certainly did not ask for a redo where I would have to lie. I have also been late in sending the photos (I take them on time though) and not once have the consultants bugged me about it. If anyone has read Miss Orange's posts, I have to do essentially what they asked of her when she was bargaining (might be more believable coming from her since she is as far away from a GNG shill as one could be LOL!). Not that this would have changed anything for me personally, but I do think GNG should have been more specific when I booked my surgery bout the pics/reviews (in all fairness, I had offered first, and when I got my discount, I assumed I would have to do them so I forgot to ask for verification), since they only confirmed what I would have to do a few weeks later on my surgery date. Other than that, I do not have any qualms!
californiarollin1992 Posted May 11, 2018 Author Posted May 11, 2018 I know I'm making these public anyway but would like for them not to be posted in other threads LOL BEFORE (no makeup): (W/ makeup from straight then looking up): Day 6: Day 35: The angle of the profile pic is a bit off but I had asked for straight with a slight curve and it's more curved in person than the photo shows
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