Experiencing zygoma + mandible reduction and genioplasty at GNG

[mn31515]

MissOrange said: ↑

Hi @Ririna they wanted noticeable v lines. They each paid a lot of money. One girl went back to complain to gng and they refused to cut off more bone. She felt conned. It was not v line. I would suggest you try regen with Dr oh who speaks fluent English and lectures all over the world teaching surgeons how to do his zygoma reduction and v line. Then there can be no misunderstanding through interpreters.

I understand what you mean about calliecat as she got a great result but she was a blogger and featured in gng videos. Most patients are regular people and it is disappointing gng did not treat them the same.

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That was also my feeling with regard to how GNG responded to my dissatisfaction with my natural results with rhino and ptosis despite me asking repeatedly for a dramatic change for rhino, especially. I know the limitations of ptosis correction. I wouldn't use the words "conned" or "botched" in my case. My rhino doctor did produce a nice natural look..for the most part... but I felt they were very dismissive and unwilling to do much to please their clients after taking their money. I agree with everything @AshleyLovesYou has stated above!

 

[ririna]

MissOrange said: ↑

Hi @Ririna they wanted noticeable v lines. They each paid a lot of money. One girl went back to complain to gng and they refused to cut off more bone. She felt conned. It was not v line. I would suggest you try regen with Dr oh who speaks fluent English and lectures all over the world teaching surgeons how to do his zygoma reduction and v line. Then there can be no misunderstanding through interpreters.

I understand what you mean about calliecat as she got a great result but she was a blogger and featured in gng videos. Most patients are regular people and it is disappointing gng did not treat them the same.

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Thanks for your insight! Regen was actually second on my list, so I'm glad you suggested them. Do you have any personal experience with Dr. Oh? Or could you point me to where I can find more reviews and info on them? I'm trying to search more but I feel like there isn't enough written in English.

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[californiarollin1992]

MissOrange said: ↑

Hi @AshleyLovesYou, don't blame yourself. There is no way a translator can translate word for word everything you ask. You have no idea what exactly the translator translated and with noses and bone contouring it needs communication to be precise or else! In the UK, the plastic surgeon used morphs on the computer so you know as close as possible what the nose will end up looking like. I saw a video of the surgeon at SMPS clinic doing a nose morph on his computer. I sat there with Dr Seong who understood zero English and I know the translator did not tell him everything I said. And without morphs, there is no way he could convey what he suggested he would do to my nose. I think this set off major red flags and alarm bells. A little voice in my head said leave, leave, leave. I am so glad I ran away and left my normal nose alone. Think positive, the nose continues to change even up to 2 years (my case).

And yes, we are brought up not to answer back so it is no wonder we are mute when we actually want to say a lot in the face of authority or a senior doctor.

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Thank you for the reassuring words! And oh no, in this case I literally spent all of one minute describing what I wanted so there was not much to translate Hahaha. But you are right. It is still too early in my recovery to make judgment calls. Every day I wake up to a nose that looks more and more settled, so best not to spend my energy worrying

 

[ashly117]

pspi said: ↑

For comfort, I thought of the guy I love back home and how I might finally have the confidence to talk to him soon.

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Nooooo!!
How are you now? Did you get the confidence to talk to him yet? Why are girls torturing themselves like this?

 

[pspi]

Ashly117 said: ↑

Nooooo!!
How are you now? Did you get the confidence to talk to him yet? Why are girls torturing themselves like this?

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The world is unkind to girls.
And I'm ok, still hanging in. Thank you for asking! ^-^

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@AshleyLovesYou I'm sorry you are unhappy too. I froze up as well. They did ask quite a few times if I had any questions or anything to say, which was appreciated, but I just blanked out. I think a good idea for people like us is to find someone to go to consultations with. It's hard going it all alone. I'm hoping all the best for you!

 

[hannahcc]

From what I read, GNG is more conservative. There's nothing wrong for being conservative, at least they won't over do it which is worse. But we pay so much of cos we want to see the results, that's totally understandable! So for more dramatic look, maybe should look elsewhere.

 

[sandra778]

HannahCc said: ↑

From what I read, GNG is more conservative. There's nothing wrong for being conservative, at least they won't over do it which is worse. But we pay so much of cos we want to see the results, that's totally understandable! So for more dramatic look, maybe should look elsewhere.

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What is the connection between natural result and conservative?

 

[sandra778]

Mn31515 said: ↑

That was also my feeling with regard to how GNG responded to my dissatisfaction with my natural results with rhino and ptosis despite me asking repeatedly for a dramatic change for rhino, especially. I know the limitations of ptosis correction. I wouldn't use the words "conned" or "botched" in my case. My rhino doctor did produce a nice natural look..for the most part... but I felt they were very dismissive and unwilling to do much to please their clients after taking their money. I agree with everything @AshleyLovesYou has stated above!

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Oh, that is really bad ! How can GNG be very dismissive and unwilling to do much to please their clients after taking their money.

 

[hehahugh2]

Did you use dis-solvable screw? If then does it hold it less or is it much better than old ones?

 

[pspi]

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Did you use dis-solvable screw? If then does it hold it less or is it much better than old ones?

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They did use dissolvable screws. From my understanding (I don't know much about them), the old kind of screws have to be taken out by a surgeon so you'd have to stay longer.

 

[sandra778]

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Hi little forum ~
I've never posted here but I've lurked for I think nearly 5 years. I am not Asian but became aware of Asian cosmetic surgery when I was still a teenager. I grew to really hate my face at a young age and it completely effected my whole life. I stopped leaving the house because I felt so ugly. So of course when I saw all the Korean surgeries, I was mesmerized and swore to get it someday. This forum gave me all kinds of information about it and I want to thank you girls a lot for always trying to help each other, warn each other when need be, everything else.
I finally went to Seoul for v-line and zygoma reduction earlier this year. Though there is still some swelling, I think enough time has passed for me to make an honest assessment of the results. Also, I see a few girls here planning to consult with GNG soon so I want to help in any way I can.

Over the years I considered many different clinics, most seriously EverM (who I would have consulted with had I know how to get a hold of them, does anyone know if their English support has progressed at all?). But I became set on GNG after seeing one girl who had a drastic change after surgery there. It was incredible and kind of scary but exactly the change I wanted to see, and I appreciated how GNG was very accommodating to foreign and English patients. The process of online consultation to in person consultation was very easy with them and GNG ended up being the only clinic I consulted with. I nearly arranged last minute consults with Girin and TFD, but my in person consultation with GNG went further than I expected and I was so sure I would get a big change like that girl that I paid for it on the spot and my surgery was booked for the next morning.

During the consultation, we went over what changes could be made to my face. There was a lot of talk of symmetry and improving my chin and cheekbones. Not too much talk on mandible change or actually creating a "v" shape, which is what I wanted most of all, and I think this turned out to be a huge mistake on my part for not emphasizing that. I did give them an example of my ideal face shape that showed a woman with a very slim v-shaped jawline, and I went over it a bit with the consultants. I didn't speak much with the surgeon, but I believed based on the picture we were all on the same page about what I wanted. The consultation overall was quite fast and efficient and they were really willing to work with me on price. I felt that they did want to help make me prettier and I still believe that to be genuine.

When I woke up after the surgery on the recovery floor, I was told it went well. One of the consultants (the one who calculates the price, can't remember her name) gave me a little rub on the arm because I was in such rough shape, it made me want to cry because it seemed like a thing a mother would do and my own mother had no idea what I was actually doing. I stayed at GNG for 2 nights and part of the 3rd day. The nurses were great. I think only 1 spoke English and she told me before I was discharged that they were all worried about me because I wasn't really eating and didn't have a lot of strength. So maybe recovering was slower for me than most patients.

My final doctor visit when scheduled for 1 week post op. The week of waiting was kind of hard and lonely. I didn't have anyone to talk to (no one knows about the surgeries) and I couldn't eat much because I was so low on money and could hardly open my mouth, so again, it was just a really lonely week. For comfort, I thought of the guy I love back home and how I might finally have the confidence to talk to him soon.

When I went back for the last appointment, they gave me some deswelling treatment and the surgeon showed me some x rays of my face. It did look quite impressive. He seemed pleased. A few days later, I flew back home in what was hopefully the worst flight of my life because the guy next to me quite literally slept on me most of the 12 hour trip. The only person who really noticed I was swollen was my mother, who I saw nearly 2 weeks post op. And that leads to what I've really been wanting to say. I know I'm still a bit swollen, but not nearly swollen enough for there to be some big change left waiting to be seen. More or less, I think the face I'm seeing now is my 'final' result. I'm not happy with it. That's maybe putting it very lightly. There are some improvements, mostly from the side (my jawline does look less square from an angle, my chin was definitely pushed forward), and my cheekbones do protrude far less from the sides, but overall I look very much the same. I don't look at all like I just spent $12,000 on surgeries. The other day, I was leaving my job and saw my reflection on the exit door and felt horrified because the face looking back at me was so familiar: I had seen her 2 months ago, before I ever went to Korea and spent almost every dime I had to not see her again. I cried all the way home and every night since.

I don't think I'm really upset with GNG. Overall, I have a positive feeling about their hospital still. They were friendly, simple and genuine. No bad side effects (except oilier skin? kind of weird), no clicking noises or sagging. I'm more upset with myself. I worry there was a real lack of communication on my part, because I was so shy and didn't know what to say when I was actually there. I've wanted these surgeries for years and to actually have been there, I wasn't ready for. As I said, they talked a lot about changing my chin and cheekbone protrusion, and those areas have improved a bit from surgery. "v line" seemed less emphasized, and that was probably my fault because I should have made it clearer that's what was most important to me.

I waited to write this 'review' because I was hoping it would just take a bit more time for the real results to come in. But I'm afraid that time has passed. So I hope, for any of you still reading, please be really clear with your surgeon about what you want. You need to make sure they are on the same page, especially if you are speaking to them through a translator because some nuance of language gets lost, I think. I hope I can be of help to anyone who has any questions, I plan to stick around here for at least a few months to give any updates (trust me, if anything exciting happens, I'll write about it) or answer any questions and you can send me a message for my kakao id to talk there too. I can be with you every step of the way if you need me, even if it's late at night. I don't want any of you to be as alone as I've been.
* Sorry that this post is so long! Sorry, thank you for sticking with me if you read it all

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Hello, pspi
I have carefully read your sincere review. I feel very sorry for you. I really feel sad. I hope you feel better about yourself soon.
My heart sank after I read that you paid $12K to GNG and feel you look the same. Actually in this forum there's many good reviews about GNG and it looks like ppl who prefer natural style are satisfied with the result. But I didn't know that there's many posts like this in the fellow forummer who went to GNG. I really feel sorry for you.
Hospitals gave high expectation to patients. This forum also created high expectation of GNG but at the end now I know GNG produce conservative result.
U shape is really unacceptable. And then Dr Seong cannot speak English but GNG staff didn't translate properly? That's the worst! I don't even want to think what will happen to me after surgery if I go to GNG. I think I will take off GNG from my list.

 

[pspi]

Sandra778 said: ↑

Hello, pspi
I have carefully read your sincere review. I feel very sorry for you. I really feel sad. I hope you feel better about yourself soon.
My heart sank after I read that you paid $12K to GNG and feel you look the same. Actually in this forum there's many good reviews about GNG and it looks like ppl who prefer natural style are satisfied with the result. But I didn't know that there's many posts like this in the fellow forummer who went to GNG. I really feel sorry for you.
Hospitals gave high expectation to patients. This forum also created high expectation of GNG but at the end now I know GNG produce conservative result.
U shape is really unacceptable. And then Dr Seong cannot speak English but GNG staff didn't translate properly? That's the worst! I don't even want to think what will happen to me after surgery if I go to GNG. I think I will take off GNG from my list.

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Thank you for reading

I saw Dr Choi. The staff did translate properly, it's just that it's hard to convey certain things to someone through another person and I was uncomfortable. A lot could have been different had I said more.

But it is true that hospitals give high expectations. I'm starting to see the u shape a bit more as a v but it's more from my chin being lengthened from genioplasty than shape of my mandible (what I hoped). But I barely discussed mandible so I don't really blame Dr Choi. He improved my zygoma and chin protrusion. I don't want to dissuade you from GNG (in my opinion it's a safe and friendly place) but I don't want you to be unprepared. I think GNG is worth visiting if you're in that area, but it's all up to you. Please let us know whatever you decide! I want to support and help ^-^

 

[sandra778]

pspi said: ↑

Thank you for reading

I saw Dr Choi. The staff did translate properly, it's just that it's hard to convey certain things to someone through another person and I was uncomfortable. A lot could have been different had I said more.

But it is true that hospitals give high expectations. I'm starting to see the u shape a bit more as a v but it's more from my chin being lengthened from genioplasty than shape of my mandible (what I hoped). But I barely discussed mandible so I don't really blame Dr Choi. He improved my zygoma and chin protrusion. I don't want to dissuade you from GNG (in my opinion it's a safe and friendly place) but I don't want you to be unprepared. I think GNG is worth visiting if you're in that area, but it's all up to you. Please let us know whatever you decide! I want to support and help ^-^

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Hi pspi
You are so sweet, thank you!

 

[pspi]

I want to mention something about reviews since people have been concerned about them lately. GNG did offer to lower my surgery price if I agreed to them using photos. When I said no, they offered a smaller reduction if I write a review. I said yes. However, they never said it had to be positive or where to post it and it was never discussed after the consultation. So I hope that helps.

here's a bit of an update: it has been a few months since the surgery day. The parts of my face still swollen (cheeks, mostly) are not really noticeable. It hasn't gone down much in the last month. There have been sticky sounding noises from my cheekbones the last few weeks, especially my right one. They don't hurt and kind of come and go. I can eat almost everything but taking big bites is still a No. That's about it.

I'm still unhappy with my mandible area. To be honest I may just be irreparably ugly as well as picky. Dr Choi probably did all he could with the mess he was given, the poor guy. But I'm still thinking about a second v-line, someday.

As always, if I can help with anything, let me know.

 

[madambutterfly89]

It's like that everywhere. Which is why they ask you for your occupation on the patient form. If you can promote their clinic in any way or they will go above and beyond bc there's less room for mistake. They know if anything bad happens these social media bloggers who have thousands of followers can possibly ruin their reputation.