denyagan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Hello, as you remember from my previous post, I had a horrible surgery result from a reputable clinic in Korea. Some troll individual cast doubt upon the veracity of my post. The cheekbones should NOT be left like that. They should be fused together and they should be in the anatomical position. The masseter muscles are extremely strong. When you chew, when you yawn, the masseter muscles pull down the zygomatic arches. In these years, I did a lot of research and found out there are hundreds of patients who had horrible results in Korea, even patients who do not necessarily post here. I think that in Korea they do not have the same standards they have in the US. Of course, there are bad doctors in the US too, but, I have been to 7 clinic in Korea and I can tell the surgeons are not as meticulous, careful and detail-oriented as US surgeons. Consider that in Korea you can perform surgery at 22. In the US, you have to go through very extensive training to perform surgeries. The worst part about Korean clinics is that their before and after pictures look NOTHING like reality. I met in real life some of the patients who had surgeries and wow, I am shocked at how different they look. So, be very very careful. I would like to stay in the US and I am trying to see if Dr. Charles Lee or Dr. Kimberly Lee can help me. I am attaching another image to show you my my face keeps aging and this surgery aged me literally 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch33kbone Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Hello there, I'm so sorry for the bad experience you've had with your surgery. I thought I would share my opinion on the matter with you. I think you reallllllly need to be careful about the next doctor you choose. Maybe you lost your faith in Korean doctors after your bad experience, but every country has their good doctors and bad doctors. I understand the desire to stay within the US, but I think that will also come with a variety of its own risks because I think the majority of plastic surgeons do not have much (if any) experience working with facial bones. And even if they say they perform such surgeries, usually their portfolio of results isn't very promising. From my own personal research, I would suggest consulting with IDEA plastic surgery and H plastic surgery. There's a reason why you had cheekbone reduction in Korea, right? I assume it's because these procedures are common. Many doctors here have experience with such a surgery. I would say the same for the flip. If you need a revision surgery, the doctors who perform such surgeries commonly are going to know what to do for you. There was a girl on this forum a while back who had her cheekbones reduced and a simultaneous midface lift, both performed through a coronol incision without complications. (# The name H plastic surgery has also been popping up here and there for facial contouring reconstructions. It doesn't seem to have a strong western marketing presence, but the only doctor at this clinic provides an extensive blog and youtube channel documenting a few of his facial contouring reconstructive cases. If you understand Chinese or Korean, it may be of great use to you to watch some of the cases which are similar to yours. (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6d8i9WwIkm161ueFyVU2PA/videos?disable_polymer=1) Mind you, I don't think anyone on this forum has consulted with them but the clinic seems famous for reconstruction cases but a consultation wouldn't hurt. Watching the cases myself, it would be hard to fake such videos and photos. I'm not telling you or forcing you to go to either of the clinics above but it is my suggestion. If you do stay within the US, I would tiptoe around the consults because I do not think the vast majority of surgeons have experience in this type of revision surgery. But don't keep your head down low, there will be a doctor who will want to help you and will help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy-sky Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I’ve heard bad things about Charles Lee but for rhinoplasty on a K Courtour thread # Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hashtaggoals Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 You seriously can’t go around accusing everyone as a promoter. Mods please. There should be rules about this. I mean there’s a person suffering fragranceaddict obviously needs a time out from the Internet. Have some sympathy and gain some knowledge. I’m sorry you are not aware that a lot of Koreans refuse to go to surgeries where all the foreigners go to. Because the ones with heavy marketing are where foreigners go. This clinic has pics with celebs and has ads plastered on buses so yay this doc is so skilled. That’s not how it works. I happened to find a surgeon who’s done celebrities through word of mouth. Only passed through Koreans. This surgeon’s clinic is nowhere to be found on pf. Because guess what? He doesn’t need heavy marketing to make money. Your assumption of “I’ve never heard of this clinic so this clinic sucks therefore you are a promoter” is heavily flawed. Koreans joke and say “clinics can not stay open without China money” there is an ounce of truth in this. Big places need lots of people obviously, in order to stay open and there are only so many people in Korea, but wait.. there’s like 600+ plastic surgery clinics in Korea?? That’s why they spend so much money on ads and even go as far to pay off ad agencies to not mention that the pictures are touched. Big names take in thousands of patients and so yes they have some good and also bad cases. It’s just luck if you go to a extremely well known clinic. Doctors change all the time even when the name of the clinic stays the same. That’s why it’s important to consider a ONE SURGEON clinic that has been in operation for a considerable amount of time—who’s name is on the line if he butchers someone. I’m sorry that there are so many promoters, but sometimes it’s just people who want to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingdifference Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 hmm.. really? Can korean do the surgery at 22? I just asked my friend but she said that's impossible. you really have to be careful to write this kind of posting because it decreases the reliability of your words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheonlylooks25 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Do NOT under any circumstances go to Charles Lee of Los Angeles. He is bad news. You will regret it for the rest of your life!!! Apart from KCouture having a bad experience there are other posts about him both here and on Real Self. He destroys eyes and noses. He is a clever marketer. NO WAY JOSE. Kimberley Lee in my opinion is not up to par for Asian surgery. She talks about fc on her site but there are no b&a photos. Then she discuss non-invasive procedures like botox to reduce the masseter muscle or minor procedures like buccal fat removal for Vline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylor-lee Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 wow, I'm sorry that this had to happen to you... I hope that you were able to consult medical professionals to find a solution to your case... Thanks for sharing, much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twocupcakes Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 South Korea and the US are the same in that anyone with a medical license can perform surgery. In fact, Korean laws are, on paper, more stringent than those of the US, by defining surgery as penetration of the skin, meaning that only doctors can legally do things like piercings or tattoos. Medical degrees require six years of study in Korea, so the youngest doctors in the country are usually at least 25. But this is why you always hear people talking about only going to board-certified plastic surgeons, because non-specialist doctors legally can and do operate cosmetic surgery clinics. Of course, this doesn't always apply, since there's no real reason why an ENT wouldn't be able to perform rhinoplasties. Or why a maxillofacial surgeon, who's technically a dentist, couldn't perform facial contouring surgery. Just do a lot of research before you go under the knife, and make sure you don't have a GP giving you breast implants or something like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denyagan Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 You friend is obviously misinformed. I went to several clinics in Korea, and, in three of them there were surgeons who were 22 and 23 who were doing actual surgeries. I talked to them. I asked them and they proudly told me they were 22/23 because they probably thought they were geniuses for being young surgeons. There is no way in hell that Koreans surgeons go through the same training, residency as US doctors. A Korean MD is not the equivalent of a US MD, that is why a lot of immigrants from Korea do not see their medical degrees convalidated here in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmeowshere Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 May I please ask, when did you realize your zygomatic bone became disjointed? Was it right after surgery, during healing, or several years after? Did you experience pain when the event happened, and do you experience any pain now? This would help in recommending the best treatment. Dr. Charles S Lee seems like a decent doctor but I’m not sure how experienced he is with your situation. I consulted with him for zygomatic reduction and he has some experience with the procedure but not a lot. What actually bothered me the most was that all the plaques on his wall were crooked, like every single one. Seems like a silly detail to think about, but I was concerned about his attention to detail. Nevertheless, there is someone here recently who got surgery from him and had great results according to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denyagan Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 Right after I had surgery in Korea, I noticed clicking sounds in my face. It was very scary. As the swelling started coming down, I could see shadows/depressions where there are gaps and the whole face was sagging. I emailed the doctor (I had returned home, in the US) and he kept saying that it's normal, that in 25 years he never had a non-union and that I had to be patient. He also told me not to get CAT scan because I would get cancer. Every day, people who knew me, were commenting on how much older I looked. I am not exaggerating, I look 15 years older after this surgery because of the sagging, the unnatural contours and the shadows and the periosteoum damage. I then went to another doctor in the US who told me to immediately get a CAT scan. I got the cat scan and I saw the damage. Huge gaps in my bones, dislocation, midface descent, bone resportion. I cannot tell you how devastated I was. Now I understand why that bastard didn't want me to get a cat scan: a cat scan showed how horrible the surgery went. I felt so so so depressed and to this day, I do. I haven't used make up anymore since that day, haven't gone to a hair salon since I can't look at my face anymore. Do you think there is a surgeon in the US who can fix this? I have consulted craniofacial surgeons who do major reconstructions for patients with trauma, bones missing after accidents, etc, but they see they have never seen a case like this. As for Dr. Lee, I saw him a couple of times for botox, he was very good with the botox but he seems to rush patients. I want to see if he can fix me, but, how do I know if he is being honest? I have had a horrible horrible horrible experience in Korea and know many other patients who got similar experiences. Some of them disappeared and I am afraid they might have committed suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassygrl Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I’ve heard really bad things about Charles’s Lee. I don’t think he can fix your issues. He can’t even perform a new case correctly . He is good at marketing , but lacks the skillset to perform the surgery. You should look into revision specialists and craniofacial surgeons. I’ve heard good things about Dr. Lee from The face dental. Maybe contact him and see what he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denyagan Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 This guy is in Korea? Dr. Lee from the face dental? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arietta Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Yes, The Face Dental is in Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denyagan Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 Thank you. What I find shocking is that there are no surgeons in the US to help me? I mean, they reconstruct faces from cancer or accidents and they can't plate my stupid zygomas back in anatomical position? There must be someone, I want to hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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