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I wonder who the doctor is and what kind of look he produces. '^'

 

Woah im just curious. Just chill. Dont be so defensive. Not saying you owe me an explanation. Im just curious as ive never even seen it. Fine if it was before my time. Just leave it at that then.

 

When has ash ever mentioned jogak in the rhino chat? I rarely see him even post. Lol.

 

But does that really matter? She never really gave a list of clinics you HAVE to visit. Rather she wrote detailed guides.

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Agreed. Should just focus back on topic. Thanks for slapping it back to reality

 

Exactly. Thats my point I'm trying to make. I'm just ... sigh.... thomas.duncan you are more then welcome to your opinions. While I do not agree,I'm not going to argue anymore. It's obvious you think something vastly different then what I'm trying to say.

In summary. Just be aware of what medication you are getting and what dosage it is standard. Its easily looked up online these days. What i do not advocate for, is spreading the message of a warped view that all antibotics are harmful. Geeus. Thats just plain stupid. Just be diligent and ask heaps of questions.

 

Mmmm. Perscribing without knowledge of what medication does or correct dosage is the harm here. Or even given the correct duration of time. Not nesscarily Antibotics are way more harmful then they really are.

Used correctly by knowledgable professionals. Antibotics are life savers. They save millions of lives. Cases of childhood RHD or even meningitis. They can make the difference between a person dying of septicemia, to on the road to recovery.

All what I was trying to say is be very careful of doctors who cannot justify rightly why not an antibotic is used instead of another.

 

Sorry. Its an interesting debate lol. Pretty much in layman's terms.

They should give you either intraoperatively a dose of iv antibotics. But no more then 3 doses post operatively of iv antibotics while u stay in hospital.

Upon discharge there are different point of view. A generic board spectrum antibotic for 5-7days at a minimal dosage used to be the gold standard for post operative discharge.

However,as per thomas.duncan further research has stated that there are minimal to moderate benefit to post operative antibotic usage. At the end of the day, its how clean the hospital/clinic is and how strict they are with sanitation. Also what kind of surgery. For bone related surgery, yes you'll need antibotics.

But for small surgery like DES or fat grafting If you feel more comfortable with oral antibotics for 5 to 7 days. Then go for it. But you MUST take the full course. Not stop 3 days in.

 

Oh i completely agree, miss orange. And i applaud you for standing firm for what you believe is right. Its never easy sometimes to dig your heels in and demand what you believe whats right. However, doctors are human too. Some of them you wonder how the heck did they pass med school.

This is where the problem starts. Its when there are irresponsible doctors who do not listen to patients. I get where you are coming from.

Like I said before, i had a severe uti which resulted in haemutria and flank pain. I wasnt febrile then but had to beg the GP to commence me on oral antibotics. I was happy to do all the tests, but he refused. Stating that antibotic resistence was the reason. I got so irritated that i had to snap at him and told him if i went into shock later on, i will make sure he'll know about it. Luckily he relented and gave me what i asked for.

My point being is,overseas in china. They give out antibotics like candy. This was the practice for many years. I think since the SARS epidemic it has gotten better. But there will be still older generation doctors who believe antibotics solve everything. Thus resulting in issues with antibotic resistence.

Thus,all I am saying.... proceed with caution and question things when it doesnt feel right. Earlier like i said 5 days of iv antibotics if its only for prophalyxis feels too much. If it was oral i would be inclined to go ehhhh i get where the surgeon is coming from.

Not everyone has med smarts and the knowledge, hence my point of view being concerned of overusage of antibotics in a country like china.

 

Hi miss orange,

All very valid points. I wasnt sure if there was infection involved. I was merely speculating based on assumption that it was merely prophylaxis treatment post operatively. Now you have had mentioned infection it is all fair.

Mmmmm. I understand the point of which antibotics. But I'm not sure if its the same way as it was before. But I've had relatives from overseas telling me they get antibotics for the basic flu over in china. Hence why I'm not very trusting of China's use of antibotics. Maybe they have improved since then. I'm not sure. But it was more of a warning based on previous experiences.

 

Actual hearing loss. Its known as oytotoxicity can be permanent or temporary. Mines permanent. Ive had it since i was 8.

I had good hearing before i got very sick. My family was from china. And as part of an run of very bad fainting episode when i was young. They gave me ivab which shouldn't have been used on children.

My parents who worked in medicine at the time realised that it was dangerous so they discharged me against medical advice. I think about a couple of months later i stated I couldnt hear as well. But it was lucky in some ways? I have complete hearing loss on my left ear,and partial on my right.

And they tested my hearing. I have been to numerous specialists since then, they suspected it was due to the antibotics. Since then theres been more studies on it. And proof it has had emerged that ototoxicity can occur. In adults more then likely temporary, rarely permanent.

 

Its an interesting discussion in regards to it though.

It really is dependant on case by case. Im not sure how it goes in the uk. However, where i am from. They will start you on antibotics,but cease as soon as they have ruled out non infection. And that you will start off with a broad spectrum antibotics,once you know what the organism is then change to the antibotics that the organism is sensitive to it.

I know what you mean in regards to gp. I have had to fight to be given antibotics due to a severe infection, and this was with a gp. I wasnt febrile nor in shock. But I was pretty close to ending up in hospital if he had continued to refused.

There's also another problem with antibotic resistence in that patients refuse to finish the whole course of oral antibiotics. They deem themselves fit and no need for antibotics when symptoms disappear. This also causes resistance as you know, due to some of the organisms surviving.

Rule of thumb over here,start antibotics,cease once you are confident there is no source of infection. Usually blood tests are run as well as other tests to rule out infection source.

Not saying that they shouldn't have given antibotics. Just more use with more caution.

 

Also another thing. Just probably me being a bit picky. But... next time thomas.duncan, instead of calling people sheepies and acting a bit arrogant. Maybe explain and educate people what you know, rather calling us 'sheepies'. Or even pointing us to the right direction.

Not everyone has access to medical or vast amount of knowledge that you have. Sharing such knowledge helps everyone in the long run. As this is what this forum was created for.

Just my 2cents. Ignore if you want.

 

Mmm yes please do.
But yes, unfortunately not many people know this.
China uses antibotics so much, that its becoming an issue. Its not a big deal for me personally... I get by and manage it well. But its something don't wish on anyone.
Antibotic resistence is such a huge issue. You dont want to be resistent to antibotics when you REALLY need it.

 

Im not sure what thomas.duncan's belief is. I'm curious too.

But it may have something along the lines of, prophylaxis antibotics should only be used maximum of 24 to 48 hours.
Where i work,we only give maximum of 3 doses of ivab post surgery as prophylaxis antibotic treatment. Unless there is indication of infection, then we continue using ivab.

Excessive use of antibotics can cause antibotics resistance. China is well known to be a country that use excessive antibotics. I have sustained permanent hearing loss from antibotics due to this excessive usage when i was young.

I'm just speculating.... don't quote me 100%on this.

 

Sounds weird but have you tried roll on deodorant on your legs before bandage?it helps with sweaty legs and may be able to help with the humidity issues that you have in singapore? I do that for the back of my neck in summer here. It gets unbearbly hot and sweaty. Also arnica cream helps a bit with tight muscles and cramps.

 

Well. I kind of think it as even if i didnt book an actual surgery. I would have a nice holiday out of it. Haha.

I booked my flights first then the clinics. I contacted several clinics based off recommendations and also their work. If i liked their Before and after photos and doesnt look photoshopped to the extreme then I would approach them. You kind of need to have photos of what your ideals are already prepared. So the clinics know what you're after. Then based on their recommendations and what you feel. Book an initial consultation. Like others say,dont pay a deposit. Even if you have booked consultation. Keep looking.

I would recommend 3 weeks off at the very least. Someone told me with vline they sometimes take 3 days before they can book you in to do the surgery. This depends on the surgeon. I know the one i was interested in they make bite molds? Or something to check your mouth position or something. I cant remember exactly. A good clinic usually wont do same day surgery, especially for rhino and vline. Its a huge surgery so its not to be taken lightly.

Yeah you can bargain the price down. And it is determined based on your current condition as well as ideals.

I personally only have 3 weeks of leave so im cutting bit fine lol.

 

Can we leave it at this?

@Wide Face,at the end the of the day. Its life changing surgery. You can do research and minimize your risks. But be absolutely sure its for the right reason. Its for yourself. That you will be well informed. Truth to be told. Surgeons are not gods. They are only human. You can search for the best in the whole wide world, they still at risk of making mistakes. Some can be life changing. Others might just bother you for a bit. So you have to be absolutely sure you are comfortable AND confident. I can tell you,working with doctors who perform life changing surgery, they can sometimes make mistakes too. You have to make sure where ever you go,the doctor will be able to accept their possible mistakes. And will do anything fix it. I'm not saying its always bad and have full of failures. But you have to be well informed and be well informed of the risks before you proceed.

A tip from what I have read in this forum, look for before and after photos of patients with similar face shape. And be realistic of your expectations.

 

Ok guys. Stop it. If you want to argue to the private messaging. For Pete's sake. Everyone is allowed their own opinions. Everyone here are meant to be adults. Act like adults not brickering teenagers. Respect each other's opinions and move on.

Plus the poor op is trying to get some help. All you guys do is bicker in her thread.

 

Honestly. My 2cents but,i think sagging is inevitable if you choose to do fc. That includes cheekbone reduction and jaw reduction. Theres nothing basically for skin to cover around. And when you age as well,your skin naturally just sag. Even those without fc surgery tends to seek out facelifts as well.

 

You can do rhino and lasek. But you cannot do lasek with DES. You need to wait 6months between each eye procedure.

 

Its hard sometimes to understand tone in writing. Lol. All good. Its also good to back things up with at least a link to a source.

Just making sure everyone is informed. I hate to see something thrown out in court or worse back fired. If you didn't follow laws. It just sucks sometimes when jt happens.

 

You kind of missed the point. I'm not attacking you, but law is a tricky thing. If you obtained something illegally it can be dismissed if you try to use it in court.

All I'm saying is, please check the law in korea before doing this. I didn't say you couldn't.

Rather just double check and get your facts right.

Its one thing to do what you think is right. Then another to do what is actually legally right. Every country's law is different and one has to respect it.

I have attached a link to explain what Korea's stance in regards to this. It does say you can if you part of the conversation.

https://klawguru.com/2014/10/30/is-it-legal-to-secretly-record-a-conversation-in-korea/

 

Actually. Depending on your country recording consultations can be illegal. I work in hospital and if you record any consultation without prior consent. The consultation will be ceased and they will tell you to leave. Not only that, you can end up being blacklisted if you repeatedly attempt this without checking first.

Of course, if they have nothing to hide. Then, they wouldn't be afraid to be recorded.

I'm not sure what korea is like. All I'm saying is check with the country's law before doing something like that. Or at least ask consent. Just my two cents in this matter. No. Im not a promoter. I've just worked for a long time in medical field.

 

Its better to do FC first. Because that way they can fit the veneers better to your new face.