yeuyeu Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Hope you have a nice rest and quick recovery, asin! Yesterday I was super-sleepy after the surgery. I had a 2-hour nap in the afternoon and fell asleep before 12 (I usually sleep at 1). It seems anesthesia tends to cause drowsiness... I can totally relate to your feeling about you former look. Shoulda woulda coulda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what_2_do Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Hi I just PM'ed you my email address.. You shouldnt worry about your nose getting bumped, as long as it didnt bleed and you werent in alot of pain it should be ok.. My son also bumped my nose like 4 times like big bumps when i was 1 month post op. I thought for sure something moved, but it was fine.. I just try to be more careful with my nose.. I'm always shield it it when im sleeping.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giotmuathu Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 hi vannyvan, i am new to this forum but i heard u said that you go to dr. phi in victoria cosmetic surgery, i myself also want to get my nose done by him but im a little bit worried because i know so little about his work so i was wondering if you can send ur pix to my email, [email protected], thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeuyeu Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Um... I'm not sure if the nose is getting much better.. the bridge still looks pretty high to me. My tip looks like a big blob too. Guess I'll just have to be patient Meanwhile, I should definitely eat less sodium and avoid strenuous activities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asin Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I just woke up from a 16 hour sleep and my nose is a little less swollen. it still looks like a blob though. the area between my eyes, where the bridge used to be (which was hard and prominent due to the implant) is now a fat wide blob of loose skin lol. my eyes look far apart. i don't believe that was how i looked before surgery. i'm pretty sure it's just swelling and it should look better in a week. from profile view, my bridge already looks lower. it was so sad yesterday before i had the implant taken out. the doctor and one of his staff members said my nose looked really good and asked if i'm really sure i want to take it out. the staff member (who also had her nose done my dr. lee and i think has a perfect nose) said my nose looked just like hers. maybe i have a distorted self image or i had not waited long enough to see the "final results." ANYWAY, i had made my decision to remove the implant and i need to stick with it. no regrets!!! at the very least i won't obsess over my nose so much anymore, because putting an implant back in is out of the question for me, for at least a while. now it is time for me to learn to live with this nose i have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asin Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 oh yeah, i am going to see my parents later and i was wondering what to tell them about my nose. they don't know that i got surgery. now that the implant is out, my nose looks more like it used to, but it's obviously swollen. what should i say - bee sting? door hit my face? fell down in the rain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeuyeu Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I *guess* I know who you are referring to lol... i remember dr lee has three staff members at the front desk. mimi and ari are usually there, but the prettiest (and one with a perfect nose) is the third girl whose name i don't know. The door-hitting story sounds more credible to me lol ... The others seem pretty scary and might worry your parents too much, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannyvan10 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 hey i jus sent u guys the pics early this morning.. i wanted to know if my nostril will look even later? did any1 had this problem or just me? he used 1mm implant for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazygirl1 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Vannyvan in the pics you sent me I didn't notice anything unusual about your nostrils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassygrl Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 vanny, did u gett alar? cuz when i got my nose done, my nostrils were a little uneven, its not THAT noticeable but pre-op it was pretty even. I guess when he cut the sides he did not sew it up evenly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misskimchi420 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 What are the symptoms of an infection after getting a silicone implant? i also heard that ur nose can get infected years after they implanted it in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shar-c Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Hey pink peppero, i sent u an email last week at hotmail!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panache397 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I researched BK Clinic in Seoul to get my plastic surgery procedure done. They seemed to have a clean website, they spoke fairly good English, and their prices were competitive. What I couldn't find were testimonials on their site. I didn't quite know what the feedback from actual patients were which was quite unsettling as they seemed to be a corporate giant with no comments from actual patients. Anyways, I was planning to visit Seoul so I went ahead and set up an appointment. The first time I walked in was for a consultation. The lobby was filled with patients who were complaining about their procedure. One lady walked into the office and said that the bandages on her face were not properly placed therefore fluid was leaking out. Another lady walked in and demanded for a doctor because the implant in her nose was slowly receding to the side of nose. At that point, I wanted to jump off the couch and walk out of the clinic but I had already put down a deposit of 50,000 Won so I decided to wait and at least see the doctor before jumping to conclusions. First I was ushered to a room where a "consultant" not the doctor analyzed my face and suggested what work I should get done. I clearly told her that I just wanted my lips augmented but she went on with her evaluation. She wasn't pushy but she had a way of making you feel that you "needed" work done in areas you didn't really want. For example, I have a pretty straight nose but she suggested that I get a tip-plasty and a silicone implant to heighten it. I adamantly refused. Then she said my eyes were rather small and suggested that I "elongate it" by getting a medial epicanthoplasty. I had never heard of it. She explained the procedure to me assuring me that "many" patients get it and that it was totally natural and common. I refused and said I only wanted my lips augmented. She said I would need to get fat graft from my abdomen and transfer the fat to plump up my lips. As she said, "it is the only way to achieve the natural look" I was thinking juvederm or restylane would have been simple method but she said they were not natural but synthetic therefore potentially harmful. (In retrospect, she was trying to make more money for the clinic. As I later found out fat graft is 3 times the cost of fillers and both achieve the same effect.) I eventually agreed but I didn't understand why I would have to go under total anesthesia for lip augmentation. She said they would need to numb my stomach area and extract fat. She agreed it was pretty intense for lip augmentation so she said I should get cheek augmentation as well. I never considered it but she brought the mirror up to my face and showed me that my cheeks were hollow. She said it would give me a more "youthful" look which was ironic because I was only 22. Then she retracted her comment and said "most young people get it to heighten their cheekbones, you know to achieve the western look." So after coaxing me for about an hour, I agreed to the procedure and my total cost went from $1,500 to $3,000. She said that getting two procedures done would be better because I "needed" the cheek improvement and that I might as well get it now than later since I would have to go through the pain and downtime twice. I then asked, when I was going to see the doctor. She paused and went "Oh you wanted to the see the doctor?" I was surprised. Yes, I would like to see the person who is performing surgery on my face. She grew impatient and said he would say the same thing. After seeing that I was not satisfied, she abruptly left the room. When I met the doctor, he was uninterested, tired, and bored. I would assume after performing on so many people. He seemed to view it as another procedure rather than another patient. He barely answered my questions and agreed to what the consultant said over his shoulder and nodded his head. I was then told to head back to the lobby. I was given a card and told to go home and come back on the day of surgery. Everything that I went through would have been easily forgiven if not for the results of my surgery. What happened next is every patient's nightmare. On surgery day, I was rudely escorted to the operation room and the doctor nowhere in sight. They injected some fluids into me and put me under anesthesia. The next thing I know, I wake up with my face fully bandaged and my stomach feeling like a ton of brick fell upon it. The nurses told me it was totally natural and told me to go to the waiting area. I was literally told to get off the operation table and walk myself out of the room because they had to clear it for the next incoming patient. This is when I knew this place was like a factory with people moving in and out like a conveyor belt. I was disgusted. I went to another room with three makeshift cots crammed in one room. The beds were already occupied so I settled myself down on a steel chair (right after having surgery they couldn't even provide a laying area.) Finally when a patient vacated the bed, I got to lay down for the first time but about 30 minutes later a nurse came in and said "I was good to go" and that I should leave since there are other patients waiting. I was appalled. I got myself out of bed, undressed, and left the clinic with no assistance. You would think after having fat removed from your abdomen and having stitches they would provide a wheelchair. As I said before, up to this point, everything could have been forgiven only if my results were satisfactory. However, they were FAR from satisfactory, my face currently looks botched up by unnecessary fat injections on my face. My face is asymmetrical because the doctor applied fat right above my cheekbone instead below, making me look like the bride of Chucky. My lips are asymmetrical as well because he put more fat into one side than the other. So people ask me why I am smirking all the time! I purposely have add more lipstick on one side. My volume of my lips has not changed at all as the fat has reabsorbed into my body in a matter of a few days. The only thing left is a crooked smile and disfigured cheeks which show signs of small bumps in the light. I called the clinic multiple times but they were unresponsive. They are fully aware that I can't visit their office because I am overseas in the U.S. and they took full advantage of it. Finally, when I threatened to visit them, the doctor was put on the line and told me he would re-perform the surgery. I refused and asked for my money back. He said he could not do that. If this surgery was performed in the states, I would sue them through and through for medical malpractice and emotional distress but I know nothing about Korea and their laws which puts me in a very difficult and frustrating position. I consulted with a plastic surgeon in the states and he said the doctor who performed surgery was not experienced and skilled in fat injections. He told me NOT trust this doctor and recommended that I no longer receive any services from him. At this point, I regret ever going BK Clinic. Not only is my face disfigured, I can do nothing about it. I don't know how to sue in a foreign country and they know it. All I can do is wait until it "settles" and consider reconstructive surgery later in the future. More than anything, I am so angry that I went ahead with the surgery when all the signs were so clear to me in the beginining. 1.) Crowded area with too many patients and too few staff 2.) Complaining patients who were brushed off with false assurances 3.) Marketing procedures a patient does not need or want 4.) Price inflation on surgery procedure 5.) Absence of the doctor performing surgery 6.) Grandiose Advertising and Promotions 7.) Lack of customer service or consideration pre-op and post-op 8.) Ruining someone's appearance and NOT taking responsibility for it. I called around to other Plastic Surgery Clinics in Seoul to see if the behavior at BK was what was considered normal in Korea and they were very responsive. Both Oz and Rosee Clinic offer full refund of your money and take responsibility if the procedure goes wrong or not to the patient's satisfaction. These are the clinics I called: Rosee Plastic Surgery Oz Plastic Surgery For anyone considering plastic surgery, I would advise to do your research. 1.) Do it in your home country, so as a consumer you know your rights If you do it overseas, thinking they are more skilled or cheaper you are dead wrong. Problems arising from overseas plastic surgery is 10 times worse since you are a foreigner. 2.) Do you research. Just because the place is well-known, popular, or have an established website DOES NOT mean they are skilled at what they do. What it means is, that they invested alot of money on PR and advertising to make their clinic seem so. The best way to find out if a clinic is trust worthy is from references through friends or family who personally had a procedure done at the place. 3.) Do not settle for less. Ask for the doctor during your consultation and no one else. If the place seems like a conveyor belt, get the hell out. They don't care about your well-being you're just a number. They care about your money and how soon they can get you in and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushitown Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I try to read all over this topic, and haven't finished. 400 pages full of words T.T. However, I found just a lil info about nose surgery in Japan where I choose to go this summer. Most of you here talks about the thing in Korea, Taiwan and Hongkong, but I put my trust on Japanese doctors' hand due to their reputation of stablity and safeness. Am I wrong? I'm not rich, I must have worked very hard for 2 year to save enough fund for my trip, but I have only 1 face. I just find only 1 place in Japan which is Jujin Hospital. It seems to be very trustworthy with long rich history, but I sent an email provided in their website in English two days ago, and still no reply. I'm studying in the Uk, and beside my mother language which is not Cantonese, Madarin, Korean or Japanese, I only know English. So the language barrier is the same, especially for Japan. I plan to study it in the next 6 month (after my final exam) just to communicate with the doctor? Am I crazy (, I have no choice. I will go there by myself and fulfill my dream alone. Finding 1 interperter sounds a good idea, but I dont know how and it's highly possible that I couldn't afford this services. Any of you have whatever info about Japanese nose surgery, please share with me? I extremely appreciate your help. I'm still doing my research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panache397 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 DON'T Ever go to BK Clinic in Seoul ruined my face: HORROR STORY I researched BK Clinic in Seoul to get my plastic surgery procedure done. They seemed to have a clean website, they spoke fairly good English, and their prices were competitive. What I couldn't find were testimonials on their site. I didn't quite know what the feedback from actual patients were which was quite unsettling as they seemed to be a corporate giant with no comments from actual patients. Anyways, I was planning to visit Seoul so I went ahead and set up an appointment. The first time I walked in was for a consultation. The lobby was filled with patients who were complaining about their procedure. One lady walked into the office and said that the bandages on her face were not properly placed therefore fluid was leaking out. Another lady walked in and demanded for a doctor because the implant in her nose was slowly receding to the side of nose. At that point, I wanted to jump off the couch and walk out of the clinic but I had already put down a deposit of 50,000 Won so I decided to wait and at least see the doctor before jumping to conclusions. First I was ushered to a room where a "consultant" not the doctor analyzed my face and suggested what work I should get done. I clearly told her that I just wanted my lips augmented but she went on with her evaluation. She wasn't pushy but she had a way of making you feel that you "needed" work done in areas you didn't really want. For example, I have a pretty straight nose but she suggested that I get a tip-plasty and a silicone implant to heighten it. I adamantly refused. Then she said my eyes were rather small and suggested that I "elongate it" by getting a medial epicanthoplasty. I had never heard of it. She explained the procedure to me assuring me that "many" patients get it and that it was totally natural and common. I refused and said I only wanted my lips augmented. She said I would need to get fat graft from my abdomen and transfer the fat to plump up my lips. As she said, "it is the only way to achieve the natural look" I was thinking juvederm or restylane would have been simple method but she said they were not natural but synthetic therefore potentially harmful. (In retrospect, she was trying to make more money for the clinic. As I later found out fat graft is 3 times the cost of fillers and both achieve the same effect.) I eventually agreed but I didn't understand why I would have to go under total anesthesia for lip augmentation. She said they would need to numb my stomach area and extract fat. She agreed it was pretty intense for lip augmentation so she said I should get cheek augmentation as well. I never considered it but she brought the mirror up to my face and showed me that my cheeks were hollow. She said it would give me a more "youthful" look which was ironic because I was only 22. Then she retracted her comment and said "most young people get it to heighten their cheekbones, you know to achieve the western look." So after coaxing me for about an hour, I agreed to the procedure and my total cost went from $1,500 to $3,000. She said that getting two procedures done would be better because I "needed" the cheek improvement and that I might as well get it now than later since I would have to go through the pain and downtime twice. I then asked, when I was going to see the doctor. She paused and went "Oh you wanted to the see the doctor?" I was surprised. Yes, I would like to see the person who is performing surgery on my face. She grew impatient and said he would say the same thing. After seeing that I was not satisfied, she abruptly left the room. When I met the doctor, he was uninterested, tired, and bored. I would assume after performing on so many people. He seemed to view it as another procedure rather than another patient. He barely answered my questions and agreed to what the consultant said over his shoulder and nodded his head. I was then told to head back to the lobby. I was given a card and told to go home and come back on the day of surgery. Everything that I went through would have been easily forgiven if not for the results of my surgery. What happened next is every patient's nightmare. On surgery day, I was rudely escorted to the operation room and the doctor nowhere in sight. They injected some fluids into me and put me under anesthesia. The next thing I know, I wake up with my face fully bandaged and my stomach feeling like a ton of brick fell upon it. The nurses told me it was totally natural and told me to go to the waiting area. I was literally told to get off the operation table and walk myself out of the room because they had to clear it for the next incoming patient. This is when I knew this place was like a factory with people moving in and out like a conveyor belt. I was disgusted. I went to another room with three makeshift cots crammed in one room. The beds were already occupied so I settled myself down on a steel chair (right after having surgery they couldn't even provide a laying area.) Finally when a patient vacated the bed, I got to lay down for the first time but about 30 minutes later a nurse came in and said "I was good to go" and that I should leave since there are other patients waiting. I was appalled. I got myself out of bed, undressed, and left the clinic with no assistance. You would think after having fat removed from your abdomen and having stitches they would provide a wheelchair. As I said before, up to this point, everything could have been forgiven only if my results were satisfactory. However, they were FAR from satisfactory, my face currently looks botched up by unnecessary fat injections on my face. My face is asymmetrical because the doctor applied fat right above my cheekbone instead below, making me look like the bride of Chucky. My lips are asymmetrical as well because he put more fat into one side than the other. So people ask me why I am smirking all the time! I purposely have add more lipstick on one side. My volume of my lips has not changed at all as the fat has reabsorbed into my body in a matter of a few days. The only thing left is a crooked smile and disfigured cheeks which show signs of small bumps in the light. I called the clinic multiple times but they were unresponsive. They are fully aware that I can't visit their office because I am overseas in the U.S. and they took full advantage of it. Finally, when I threatened to visit them, the doctor was put on the line and told me he would re-perform the surgery. I refused and asked for my money back. He said he could not do that. If this surgery was performed in the states, I would sue them through and through for medical malpractice and emotional distress but I know nothing about Korea and their laws which puts me in a very difficult and frustrating position. I consulted with a plastic surgeon in the states and he said the doctor who performed surgery was not experienced and skilled in fat injections. He told me NOT trust this doctor and recommended that I no longer receive any services from him. At this point, I regret ever going BK Clinic. Not only is my face disfigured, I can do nothing about it. I don't know how to sue in a foreign country and they know it. All I can do is wait until it "settles" and consider reconstructive surgery later in the future. More than anything, I am so angry that I went ahead with the surgery when all the signs were so clear to me in the beginining. 1.) Crowded area with too many patients and too few staff 2.) Complaining patients who were brushed off with false assurances 3.) Marketing procedures a patient does not need or want 4.) Price inflation on surgery procedure 5.) Absence of the doctor performing surgery 6.) Grandiose Advertising and Promotions 7.) Lack of customer service or consideration pre-op and post-op 8.) Ruining someone's appearance and NOT taking responsibility for it. I called around to other Plastic Surgery Clinics in Seoul to see if the behavior at BK was what was considered normal in Korea and they were very responsive. Both Oz and Rosee Clinic offer full refund of your money and take responsibility if the procedure goes wrong or not to the patient's satisfaction. These are the clinics I called: Rosee Plastic Surgery Oz Plastic Surgery For anyone considering plastic surgery, I would advise to do your research. 1.) Do it in your home country, so as a consumer you know your rights If you do it overseas, thinking they are more skilled or cheaper you are dead wrong. Problems arising from overseas plastic surgery is 10 times worse since you are a foreigner. 2.) Do you research. Just because the place is well-known, popular, or have an established website DOES NOT mean they are skilled at what they do. What it means is, that they invested alot of money on PR and advertising to make their clinic seem so. The best way to find out if a clinic is trust worthy is from references through friends or family who personally had a procedure done at the place. 3.) Do not settle for less. Ask for the doctor during your consultation and no one else. If the place seems like a conveyor belt, get the hell out. They don't care about your well-being you're just a number. They care about your money and how soon they can get you in and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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