asin Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 panache397, thanks for sharing your experience with BK clinic. i am sorry to hear what happened. i've always thought that place was possibly shady with all the promoting and advertising they do across various forums. they try to recruit people from overseas to go as a group to their clinic on message boards, and i am put off by the fact that they have to resort to that. recently, there was a post someone made on here praising the clinic, and it looked like it was a fake testimonial as that person only had one post and it did not look like a genuine first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkryu Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Here's one very useful piece of advice for anyone considering plastic surgery:When you initially meet the doctor for a consultation, you can not be passive, otherwise, you can get easily persuaded to get procedures that you don't need. You need to be assertive and direct, even aggressive in what you want.I learned this from Dr. Daniel Baker of NYC (considered among the Top 3 in NYC) when I went in for a consult with him. He didn't think I needed anything done. He agreed that my nose was a little wide but he didn't think that I needed the operation to look attractive. I told him about a doctor that I met with who told me that I needed cheek implants. Dr. Baker said "definitely not." He said there are doctors out there that try to sell procedures people don't need in order to make more money. The crazy thing is, I almost went with the doctor who wanted to give me cheek implants. I guess I was desperate to get the surgeries then and there because it just sounded tempting. He was so convincing, telling me that I would look so much better and I wanted to look better then and there. I remember looking in the mirror afterwards for months, trying to convince myself that I had deficient cheeks, and I started to believe it. I ended up not scheduling the surgery with him because I wanted to meet with some more doctors. I had just found out that NYC had some the best plastic surgeons in the country. Well, I'm glad that I did not go with that crazy doctor because when I got my nose done, I got to see what I would have looked like with augmented cheeks because my cheeks got so swollen from the osteotomy. I had chipmunk cheeks...with the super high nose bridge and the swollen eyes, I look like the lion king. Remember: Do your research first. Find out what methods are out there (open vs. closed). Are there any risks, complications, etc (implant rejection, infection, warping, shifting, protrusion, visibility...)? What are the Pros and Cons of a particular method or material (silastic, goretex, rib/scull/conchal/septal/donor cartilage)? Once you've pretty much decided, set up some consultations. Write down any questions and concerns you have compiled from your research to present to the doctor. It may be good to meet with more than one doctor. Once you made a match (reputation, methods, personality, etc.) you will feel confident with scheduling your surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rememberme123 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 heya sushi town.. since you only knew english.. why don't you consider doctors from Singapore since english is a functional language there and there are really good surgeons there.. just my suggestions but i think dr jung is a good choice too.. did hear good reviews about him.. By the way, are there any reviews for Dr Martin Huang, plastic surgeon of Singapore?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rememberme123 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 thanks asin for the reply! =D anyway, just to ask.. i'm just wondering how do you get rid of blackheads on your nose after having a nose job.. do you all face problems of blackheads starting to grow on ur nose when ur nose is bandaged up since you can't clean ur nose properly... cos i am constantly plagued by the problem of blackheads on my nose.. wondering if it'd hinder me from clearing my blackheads after nose job.. any advice from ppl who had a nose job?? thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asin Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 i have oily and acne-prone skin and was worried about that too but surprisingly, i didn't end up with a nose full of blackheads when the bandages came off. my skin actually looked really good during the first two weeks because i didn't wear make up (i didn't go out) that clogged my pores. i also ate well and got a lot of rest. how do you normally get rid of your blackheads? i think for the first 3-4 weeks, your nose is still really swollen, so if you get blackheads you'll probably have to leave them alone. maybe you can press on them VERY gently with your nail to see if they come out with ease, but you obviously shouldn't be getting facial extractions on your nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessl Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 hey guys, here's a question. Right after surgery (nose), are you capable of taking care of yourself or are you too incoherent? Like can you feed yourself, walk to the bathroom, ect. I'm asking cuz I'm not sure if I have a "guardian" with me right after my surgery. I mean I'll have someone pick me up, but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkryu Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I got alot of blackheads. I would squeeze them out gently, but each time it would still damage the skin and get red marks that turned brown and fade away eventually. It wasn't a good thing to do. So I just got this toner a week ago and already noticed less blackheads. http://www.spalook.com/product_details.asp?ProductID=7642 It's got 2% salicylic acid which helps dissolve oil in clogged pores. It's really hard to resist squeezing blackheads because when they come out it's so satisfying. They look like little gel caps. You also shouldn't probably squeeze if you've had tip work since it may move things around and screw up your results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkryu Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 You will be fine. I was by myself far from home. I just did all my food shopping the night before the surgery and made sure I had everything I needed on hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asin Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 for the first 24 hours you may be pretty nauseated and incoherent because of the anesthesia. you're probably gonna be knocked out and not want to eat anyway. it is advised that someone stay with you the night of the surgery if you were under general anesthesia, to make sure that you are okay. after that, you should have no problems taking care of yourself. just be sure to stock up on food and other necessities before the surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyitslyfe Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I'm curious, if you just get a nose job (bridge and sharpen) and all does it take 4-6 weeks before returning to sports? Or does it take like way more than that. ~Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rememberme123 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 hey.. thanx for the reply! i'm sorry if i couldn't help out with some of the questions raised here as I haven't actually undergone rhinoplasty b4... I am actually offered 2 options for anesthesia for my primary rhinoplasty.. either local anesthesia (LA) with some sleeping pills or general anesthesia (GA) ... general anesthesia actually cost more.. but my concern is mainly which anesthesia is better if i would like to minimize discomfort and pain during the surgery? by the way, my surgery is estimated to last 4 hours... For general anesthesia.. is it the case whereby you would be put to sleep and be totally unconscious during the surgery.. so the next moment you know.. you would actually be bandaged up on ur nose? so ZERO pain? there's no injection stinging pain right? How about local anesthetic...? It cost less for me.. but i'd just like to know if there'd still be some pain for this form of numbing (like the injection)? My rhinoplasty actually consists of tip work (adding and removal of some cartilage) and insertion of implant to bridge so if i could actually sense/ feel without pain what he is doing all these while.. wouldn't it be uncomfortable? Would really appreciate it if people who have been thru GA or LA to give their advice and share their experience.. Thank you so much. My threshold of pain is not that high but I can still bear with some pain... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panache397 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Hey Guys, I have been receiving many messages regarding my horrible experience at BK. Here is the story again for reference and people who are considering having plastic surgery at BK Clinic in Seoul. For some reason, you can't google my story because the search engine doesn't pick it up. DON'T Ever go to BK Clinic in Seoul ruined my face: HORROR STORY I researched BK Clinic in Seoul to get my plastic surgery procedure done. They seemed to have a clean website, they spoke fairly good English, and their prices were competitive. What I couldn't find were testimonials on their site. I didn't quite know what the feedback from actual patients were which was quite unsettling as they seemed to be a corporate giant with no comments from actual patients. Anyways, I was planning to visit Seoul so I went ahead and set up an appointment. The first time I walked in was for a consultation. The lobby was filled with patients who were complaining about their procedure. One lady walked into the office and said that the bandages on her face were not properly placed therefore fluid was leaking out. Another lady walked in and demanded for a doctor because the implant in her nose was slowly receding to the side of nose. At that point, I wanted to jump off the couch and walk out of the clinic but I had already put down a deposit of 50,000 Won so I decided to wait and at least see the doctor before jumping to conclusions. First I was ushered to a room where a "consultant" not the doctor analyzed my face and suggested what work I should get done. I clearly told her that I just wanted my lips augmented but she went on with her evaluation. She wasn't pushy but she had a way of making you feel that you "needed" work done in areas you didn't really want. For example, I have a pretty straight nose but she suggested that I get a tip-plasty and a silicone implant to heighten it. I adamantly refused. Then she said my eyes were rather small and suggested that I "elongate it" by getting a medial epicanthoplasty. I had never heard of it. She explained the procedure to me assuring me that "many" patients get it and that it was totally natural and common. I refused and said I only wanted my lips augmented. She said I would need to get fat graft from my abdomen and transfer the fat to plump up my lips. As she said, "it is the only way to achieve the natural look" I was thinking juvederm or restylane would have been simple method but she said they were not natural but synthetic therefore potentially harmful. (In retrospect, she was trying to make more money for the clinic. As I later found out fat graft is 3 times the cost of fillers and both achieve the same effect.) I eventually agreed but I didn't understand why I would have to go under total anesthesia for lip augmentation. She said they would need to numb my stomach area and extract fat. She agreed it was pretty intense for lip augmentation so she said I should get cheek augmentation as well. I never considered it but she brought the mirror up to my face and showed me that my cheeks were hollow. She said it would give me a more "youthful" look which was ironic because I was only 22. Then she retracted her comment and said "most young people get it to heighten their cheekbones, you know to achieve the western look." So after coaxing me for about an hour, I agreed to the procedure and my total cost went from $1,500 to $3,000. She said that getting two procedures done would be better because I "needed" the cheek improvement and that I might as well get it now than later since I would have to go through the pain and downtime twice. I then asked, when I was going to see the doctor. She paused and went "Oh you wanted to the see the doctor?" I was surprised. Yes, I would like to see the person who is performing surgery on my face. She grew impatient and said he would say the same thing. After seeing that I was not satisfied, she abruptly left the room. When I met the doctor, he was uninterested, tired, and bored. I would assume after performing on so many people. He seemed to view it as another procedure rather than another patient. He barely answered my questions and agreed to what the consultant said over his shoulder and nodded his head. I was then told to head back to the lobby. I was given a card and told to go home and come back on the day of surgery. Everything that I went through would have been easily forgiven if not for the results of my surgery. What happened next is every patient's nightmare. On surgery day, I was rudely escorted to the operation room and the doctor nowhere in sight. They injected some fluids into me and put me under anesthesia. The next thing I know, I wake up with my face fully bandaged and my stomach feeling like a ton of brick fell upon it. The nurses told me it was totally natural and told me to go to the waiting area. I was literally told to get off the operation table and walk myself out of the room because they had to clear it for the next incoming patient. This is when I knew this place was like a factory with people moving in and out like a conveyor belt. I was disgusted. I went to another room with three makeshift cots crammed in one room. The beds were already occupied so I settled myself down on a steel chair (right after having surgery they couldn't even provide a laying area.) Finally when a patient vacated the bed, I got to lay down for the first time but about 30 minutes later a nurse came in and said "I was good to go" and that I should leave since there are other patients waiting. I was appalled. I got myself out of bed, undressed, and left the clinic with no assistance. You would think after having fat removed from your abdomen and having stitches they would provide a wheelchair. As I said before, up to this point, everything could have been forgiven only if my results were satisfactory. However, they were FAR from satisfactory, my face currently looks botched up by unnecessary fat injections on my face. My face is asymmetrical because the doctor applied fat right above my cheekbone instead below, making me look like the bride of Chucky. My lips are asymmetrical as well because he put more fat into one side than the other. So people ask me why I am smirking all the time! I purposely have add more lipstick on one side. My volume of my lips has not changed at all as the fat has reabsorbed into my body in a matter of a few days. The only thing left is a crooked smile and disfigured cheeks which show signs of small bumps in the light. I called the clinic multiple times but they were unresponsive. They are fully aware that I can't visit their office because I am overseas in the U.S. and they took full advantage of it. Finally, when I threatened to visit them, the doctor was put on the line and told me he would re-perform the surgery. I refused and asked for my money back. He said he could not do that. If this surgery was performed in the states, I would sue them through and through for medical malpractice and emotional distress but I know nothing about Korea and their laws which puts me in a very difficult and frustrating position. I consulted with a plastic surgeon in the states and he said the doctor who performed surgery was not experienced and skilled in fat injections. He told me NOT trust this doctor and recommended that I no longer receive any services from him. At this point, I regret ever going BK Clinic. Not only is my face disfigured, I can do nothing about it. I don't know how to sue in a foreign country and they know it. All I can do is wait until it "settles" and consider reconstructive surgery later in the future. More than anything, I am so angry that I went ahead with the surgery when all the signs were so clear to me in the beginining. 1.) Crowded area with too many patients and too few staff 2.) Complaining patients who were brushed off with false assurances 3.) Marketing procedures a patient does not need or want 4.) Price inflation on surgery procedure 5.) Absence of the doctor performing surgery 6.) Grandiose Advertising and Promotions 7.) Lack of customer service or consideration pre-op and post-op 8.) Ruining someone's appearance and NOT taking responsibility for it. I called around to other Plastic Surgery Clinics in Seoul to see if the behavior at BK was what was considered normal in Korea and they were very responsive. Both Oz and Rosee Clinic offer full refund of your money and take responsibility if the procedure goes wrong or not to the patient's satisfaction. These are the clinics I called: Rosee Plastic Surgery Oz Plastic Surgery For anyone considering plastic surgery, I would advise to do your research. 1.) Do it in your home country, so as a consumer you know your rights If you do it overseas, thinking they are more skilled or cheaper you are dead wrong. Problems arising from overseas plastic surgery is 10 times worse since you are a foreigner. 2.) Do you research. Just because the place is well-known, popular, or have an established website DOES NOT mean they are skilled at what they do. What it means is, that they invested alot of money on PR and advertising to make their clinic seem so. The best way to find out if a clinic is trust worthy is from references through friends or family who personally had a procedure done at the place. 3.) Do not settle for less. Ask for the doctor during your consultation and no one else. If the place seems like a conveyor belt, get the hell out. They don't care about your well-being you're just a number. They care about your money and how soon they can get you in and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazygirl1 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Panache397: I send you hugs and love for all the pain that you went through with what happened at "BK" in Korea. How are you feeling now? Have you consulted a good plastic surgeon who can fix what was messed up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleddd Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Hi everyone, I just want to reduce my alar base (which I think it is big, flat, and flare ...). Will Dr. Charles Lee able to do a good job? Approximate how much will that cost? or do you have any other doctors recommendations? Thx!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipgrl Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Hello ladies, I'm planning to have my rhinoplasty done in July. I have 2 great doctors in mind.. one uses L-shape silicone and the other goretex. Which implant would you choose? It's so hard to choose because both surgeons have a lot of satisfied patients. I'd love to get everyone's opinion. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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