Asian nose job

[vivi_bee]

RedBenz68 said: ↑

well i didn't like it the first day i got home from surgery and i hated it still. I wanted to make my wide nose narrower by trimming the sides. I also told him that i want a "not too high" bridge and he told me that it's not a good idea to add any artificial things in the body even ear cartilage (grafting). So i went ahead and let him do what he thinks is best for me. He trimmed my nostril and tip which i really don't see a difference (slightly). He raised my nose my pinching in the tip cartilage to make it look higher (viewing sideway). Overall my nose looks very funny and uneven in all different kind of ways. Please take a gooood look at my before flat nose and the not so pretty after picture.

before: it was flat but cute looking


after: seems higher without any implant but appear more bulbous and uneven center????


and here is the sideview of the after picture which looks okay


Oh asin, i never felt so ugly in my life. I thought the surgery was going to give me more confidence but i should have just listened to everyone else that was telling me not to do it.

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What is eactly wrong with putting ear cartiledge??? (I want to know because i'll be adding my own ear cartiledge for my rhinoplasty) what is the negative sides.. did he tell u?
For some reason your BEFORE picture had more of a tip. and now it seems ur tp is gone

 

[solus]

Bolo2009, That's fine with me. I sent you a message

 

[jade_f]

happy_but_sad said: ↑

i've been an avid reader off and on this thread, had actually gone through 2 nose surgeries, and feel I need to give my two cents. I feel that after being influenced by reading some of the reviews here for certain doctors, that I do have to reveal some real facts about some.

first of all, the first time I got my nose done two years ago, was with a really inexperienced doctor. I feel I should of reserached more so I don't blame anyone but myself.

However, the second time around, I did my research. I read and read forum after forum, websites, and people who reccommended certain doctors. My decision inevitably fell on Dr. Chuang in Taiwan. I booked my flight and flew out there hoping he could fix the first doctor's mistake, and change my problem around.

Well, now having spent more than several months healing, his work is not much to compliment about. My silicone implant that I got removed by him to put another one in, suggested by him, is completely unsatisfactory. He said my previous implant was too small. I thought it was the right size but just crooked. He then says he will put in a bigger implant. I didn't argue with him because he is suppose to be the professional and artist here. So I trusted him in what he planned to do for me, and I know now I shouldn't have otherwise. My implant like my previous, is still, still I repeat, shifted to the left, same as before. I brought up this issue with him prior to surgery. I remember he said he'll fix it. He even said he'll shaved down a bump on my nose that could be causing the deviation. My nose is still crooked looking, and now my bridge just looks humongous, from the top to my tip, it is all the same width. I asked for a curve on my bridge. My bridge is straight up and down, very unnatural. I also think the implant he put on my is way too big. I can feel it is too big, so it is not swelling. I don't know what he did, but my nose looks like this | | on my face. There is absolutely no definition. He also made my implant start so close to my eyes, I am just thinking that is such bad judgement for someone who does this for a living. I'm appalled because he knew of my previous situation, and still I am now sitting at home waiting for my next revision. With another doctor of course.

Did he spend enough time with me during surgery? I don't know. Did he make my nose into how I wanted it described? No. Did I bring in sufficient pictures to accurately show him what I wanted? Yes. Am I just unlucky? Maybe.

When I take pictures now, I have a nose that is wider on my face, and for a small face, that is pretty ugly. To make matters worse, he sharpened my tip so its super sharp there, and it crooked so its pointing to my left, and for some reason which i'm VERY angry about, he increased my already high bridge by I think 4mm's, so my bridge height is ridiculously high. So you can say, I walk around knowing people KNOW i've had surgery done.

I ask myself, did I say anything wrong to this doctor to make him do this to me??? I was very polite and nice to him, didn't ask for too high demands, and I feel that he might have took advantage of that and performs a so so surgery on me. It sucks, cause this is my second time around, and I really thought that Dr.Chuang whom was suggested by so many, would be the one to fix it all!

So, i'm telling my story now because it seems no one really has anything negative to say about this doctor, letting a lot of future patients enter in without a second thought. But please, he may have treated others with good nose jobs, but I am certainly not one of them.

I am compelled to write about this now because I wanted to wait for the swelling to go down. But I think that i've given it enough months, and i'm completely mad seeing myself look like this in the mirror day in and day out, knowing I spent so much and so much hassle to get this out of popular doctor.

Sorry so long and drawn out, but I will be getting a revision soon. By whom, I do not want to say at the time, but he is also from Taiwan. I will let you all know how that goes. But please, don;t believe all the hype you hear about certain doctors. I am angry to say that he not only ruined my face, but my eyes as well.

If you want pictures, please instruct me on how to do that here.

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I'm so sorry to hear about your nose. I guess it's bad luck as well and - maybe bad doctor too. I think good doctors are supposed to read what fits best to our faces. I am thinking about shaping my nose tip. I had my nose lift 7 years ago, but i am not happy with my bulbous at all, and i might want to do revision of my bridge too, i am happy with its height but it was L shape so it's kind of off to the right a bit...
I'm thinking about going to Taiwain this summer, but i don't know for sure yet. Where are you planning to go to the next doctor? In anycase I wish you the best for the next - hopefully the last time seeing a doctor for a nose job ! And for me too !

 

[redbenz68]

thankyou gals for the comforting comments but i still feel like crap.
as for vivi_bee
Sometimes with grafting, your body can either reject or accept it. Transplant rejection usually occurs when the recipient's immune system attack a transplanted organ or tissue because it's "foreign". Swelling or infection may occur. I learned that in biology and with the doctor but don't count on me. Correct me if i'm wrong. My tip before was less noticeable but now humongous!!!! i can probably take it apart and bounce it on the floor since it's so round and big like a basketball.
My nose is really bigger than before . It was just flat pre-op but now it's weird looking. I have been making excuses so long b/c i didn't want to go anywhere. i'm just bad luck but Good luck with yours!

 

[gonnawin]

asin said: ↑

oh wow, i didn't know doctors broke the bone between the eyes before they put in a silicone implant for some cases can this space be filled with a graft during revision?

i'm not sure if dr.kao studied under toriumi, but i read that dr. hsu did. this is a link to his profile http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ychsu.com%2Fnose.htm%23about&sl=zh-CN&tl=en
it mentions toriumi and that he studied in chicago. how extensively he studied under toriumi, i don't know.

i don't know if things are different in asia, but hsu and kao are both ENTs. its a good thing that they are ENTs cause they're familiar with the internal functioning of your nose and less likely to mess it up, but in the U.S. i'd look for a doctor who is a plastic surgeon.

from my emails with the doctors, kao seems to speak better english (or writes better, at least).

i actually just received a detailed email from dr. chuang, and his english is pretty good. he does do rib grafting, but i dont think its his specialty so i wouldn't go to him for that. he recommends that i use gortex, since i don't want a too-high western looking nose anyway (like the one i had when i had silicone implant and i didn't like it). so i'm going to do some research on gortex and consider it.

as for those links you attached... i don't really like shah's work on that asian girl. although her bridge is augmented, it doesn't look defined. her tip is still very meaty. maybe there are limitations to what can be done to her nose because she seems to have really thick skin. in my opinon, she looks better with a flat, undefined nose (at least its cute) than a tall, undefined nose. maybe the frontal/profile view is an improvement though.

i think toriumis work on the asian lady is a definite improvement. i like how defined toriumi's noses look from frontal view.

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Hi asin,

I think fat grafting could be used to correct a hollow eyed look, as I heard it is used to treat dark eye circles. I just think it kinda sucks to have the problem in the first place, it was just a bad call by my doctor to even do that to my face.

As for Dr. Chuang, I don't think I'll be considering him after reading a forum member's experience with him. I am definitely not going the route of putting anything artificial (gortex or silicon) in my body as I've read several bad things about them and possible complications involved. I think autologous cartilage grafting (rib, septal, or ear) is the way to go for good long term, natural results. Just my two cents.

As for the shah patient, i guess its a matter of taste. I think her results look natural considering her facial features. From a male perspective I do think she looks better with her new nose than with her previous nose. It looks like a nose she could've been born with. Her nostrils show less, are no longer flaring, and she now has a slightly projecting tip. Sometimes a too defined look on the bridge can be a dead giveaway to having something "done" in my opinion. It really depends on how it is done, and whether it suits the patients' other facial features. Overall, I like how it wasn't too dramatic of a change to the point where she looks a totally different person. She looks like an improved version of her old self.

I agree, Toriumi's noses look pretty nice from the frontal view. If you noticed on that article it was co-written by Dr. Benjamin Swartout. He's based in LA, much closer to where I live. It seems like he's co-authored articles with Toriumi on Asian Rhinoplasty, so I wonder if he might be worth checking out. His website doesn't show examples, but since he's in California I might consider consulting with him.

 

[gonnawin]

BTW, Asin, do you know if Dr Hsu and Kao charges for consultations? I can't understand their websites, even when translated it's a bit confusing. They're both based in Taiwan right? thanks

 

[asin]

happy_but_sad said: ↑

i've been an avid reader off and on this thread, had actually gone through 2 nose surgeries, and feel I need to give my two cents. I feel that after being influenced by reading some of the reviews here for certain doctors, that I do have to reveal some real facts about some.

first of all, the first time I got my nose done two years ago, was with a really inexperienced doctor. I feel I should of reserached more so I don't blame anyone but myself.

However, the second time around, I did my research. I read and read forum after forum, websites, and people who reccommended certain doctors. My decision inevitably fell on Dr. Chuang in Taiwan. I booked my flight and flew out there hoping he could fix the first doctor's mistake, and change my problem around.

Well, now having spent more than several months healing, his work is not much to compliment about. My silicone implant that I got removed by him to put another one in, suggested by him, is completely unsatisfactory. He said my previous implant was too small. I thought it was the right size but just crooked. He then says he will put in a bigger implant. I didn't argue with him because he is suppose to be the professional and artist here. So I trusted him in what he planned to do for me, and I know now I shouldn't have otherwise. My implant like my previous, is still, still I repeat, shifted to the left, same as before. I brought up this issue with him prior to surgery. I remember he said he'll fix it. He even said he'll shaved down a bump on my nose that could be causing the deviation. My nose is still crooked looking, and now my bridge just looks humongous, from the top to my tip, it is all the same width. I asked for a curve on my bridge. My bridge is straight up and down, very unnatural. I also think the implant he put on my is way too big. I can feel it is too big, so it is not swelling. I don't know what he did, but my nose looks like this | | on my face. There is absolutely no definition. He also made my implant start so close to my eyes, I am just thinking that is such bad judgement for someone who does this for a living. I'm appalled because he knew of my previous situation, and still I am now sitting at home waiting for my next revision. With another doctor of course.

Did he spend enough time with me during surgery? I don't know. Did he make my nose into how I wanted it described? No. Did I bring in sufficient pictures to accurately show him what I wanted? Yes. Am I just unlucky? Maybe.

When I take pictures now, I have a nose that is wider on my face, and for a small face, that is pretty ugly. To make matters worse, he sharpened my tip so its super sharp there, and it crooked so its pointing to my left, and for some reason which i'm VERY angry about, he increased my already high bridge by I think 4mm's, so my bridge height is ridiculously high. So you can say, I walk around knowing people KNOW i've had surgery done.

I ask myself, did I say anything wrong to this doctor to make him do this to me??? I was very polite and nice to him, didn't ask for too high demands, and I feel that he might have took advantage of that and performs a so so surgery on me. It sucks, cause this is my second time around, and I really thought that Dr.Chuang whom was suggested by so many, would be the one to fix it all!

So, i'm telling my story now because it seems no one really has anything negative to say about this doctor, letting a lot of future patients enter in without a second thought. But please, he may have treated others with good nose jobs, but I am certainly not one of them.

I am compelled to write about this now because I wanted to wait for the swelling to go down. But I think that i've given it enough months, and i'm completely mad seeing myself look like this in the mirror day in and day out, knowing I spent so much and so much hassle to get this out of popular doctor.

Sorry so long and drawn out, but I will be getting a revision soon. By whom, I do not want to say at the time, but he is also from Taiwan. I will let you all know how that goes. But please, don;t believe all the hype you hear about certain doctors. I am angry to say that he not only ruined my face, but my eyes as well.

If you want pictures, please instruct me on how to do that here.

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wow, i'm really sorry to hear about your bad experience with dr. chuang. this is actually the second negative review i've read about him on forums. the other one was about a patient who went for augmentation with gortex, and ended up with a crooked nose. she got a revision with another doctor, and found out that dr. chuang had actually put silicone, not goretex, in her nose. yikes. i guess i'll have to cross him off my list.

i hope you will get the results you want this time. i, too, feel like i have ruined my face with plastic surgery and it is extremely devastating. i honestly would pay any amount just to have my old nose back and not have to deal with this anymore.

you can post images when you respond to this thread. there are icons on the top where you can change the font, insert link, etc. one of them says "insert image."

 

[asin]

Gonnawin said: ↑

Hi asin,

I think fat grafting could be used to correct a hollow eyed look, as I heard it is used to treat dark eye circles. I just think it kinda sucks to have the problem in the first place, it was just a bad call by my doctor to even do that to my face.

As for Dr. Chuang, I don't think I'll be considering him after reading a forum member's experience with him. I am definitely not going the route of putting anything artificial (gortex or silicon) in my body as I've read several bad things about them and possible complications involved. I think autologous cartilage grafting (rib, septal, or ear) is the way to go for good long term, natural results. Just my two cents.

As for the shah patient, i guess its a matter of taste. I think her results look natural considering her facial features. From a male perspective I do think she looks better with her new nose than with her previous nose. It looks like a nose she could've been born with. Her nostrils show less, are no longer flaring, and she now has a slightly projecting tip. Sometimes a too defined look on the bridge can be a dead giveaway to having something "done" in my opinion. It really depends on how it is done, and whether it suits the patients' other facial features. Overall, I like how it wasn't too dramatic of a change to the point where she looks a totally different person. She looks like an improved version of her old self.

I agree, Toriumi's noses look pretty nice from the frontal view. If you noticed on that article it was co-written by Dr. Benjamin Swartout. He's based in LA, much closer to where I live. It seems like he's co-authored articles with Toriumi on Asian Rhinoplasty, so I wonder if he might be worth checking out. His website doesn't show examples, but since he's in California I might consider consulting with him.

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you're right, i think autologous cartilage is indeed the way to go. i want this to be my last surgery and don't want to worry about infection/extrusion. i still worry about warping though... that would be such a nightmare. are you only considering using rib? because kao and hsu recommended septal+ear if i want slight augmentation. however, i've read that ear cartilage is not a good material for dorsal augmentation because it is naturally curved and is more likely to bend. septal cartilage alone may not be sufficient for dorsal augmentation.

i am considering a consultation with shah. my revision will involve removing scar tissue and i really want a careful, reputable doctor to do this. i don't want to end up with a michael jackson nose.

anyway, let me know how it goes with swartout if you consult with him. i'm by CA as well... would be nice to find a doctor in my region. have you consulted with nassif yet?

 

[asin]

Gonnawin said: ↑

BTW, Asin, do you know if Dr Hsu and Kao charges for consultations? I can't understand their websites, even when translated it's a bit confusing. They're both based in Taiwan right? thanks

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i don't know if they charge for consultations. i've emailed both of them and got some sort of a "virtual" consultation. if i make a trip to taiwan i will probably consult with them and proceed with surgery on the same trip, unless something turns me off in person.

 

[vivi_bee]

RedBenz68 said: ↑

thankyou gals for the comforting comments but i still feel like crap.
as for vivi_bee
Sometimes with grafting, your body can either reject or accept it. Transplant rejection usually occurs when the recipient's immune system attack a transplanted organ or tissue because it's "foreign". Swelling or infection may occur. I learned that in biology and with the doctor but don't count on me. Correct me if i'm wrong. My tip before was less noticeable but now humongous!!!! i can probably take it apart and bounce it on the floor since it's so round and big like a basketball.
My nose is really bigger than before . It was just flat pre-op but now it's weird looking. I have been making excuses so long b/c i didn't want to go anywhere. i'm just bad luck but Good luck with yours!

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ut my ear cartiledge isnt a foreign object... it shouldnt reject it.. thats why im shock to see you write that the doctor said "even ear cartiledge"
You side profile looks great, but im wondering why your nose tip disappeared. I think you should wait a year.. im sure it will be fine! still a cute nose. sorry who is your doctor?

 

[just_a_thought]

Hey! Does anyone have an idea how long does it take before you can have another rhinoplasty?

I had mine just last month, and I had goretex on the upper part of my nose and alar trimming, the nose looks good but lately I feel that it lacks tip projection, and so I want to have tip plasty. I consulted my doctor about it and he said he's willing to do it and I only need to pay the fee for the "operating room", but I need to wait at least 3 months before I can have it done. Problem is I don't have the luxury of time to wait that long. Before I've consulted with another doctor and he said only a period of 1 month is needed before another surgery is done. Any idea?

 

[strawberrykiwi]

i think you should wait at least 6 mos. because it takes some time for your tip to get more defined. Trust me i emailed my dr. right after my surgery because i was so worried about it. then others told me to wait and see before i jump the gun and do another surgery. my dr. told me to wait 6mos. then email him photos and he'll work with what i have then. i'm happier with my nose now so i really don't plan to email me him in 6mos. i might just email in the photos just to see what his opinions are.

 

[just_a_thought]

strawberrykiwi,

Thanks for the response, that's very comforting to know!

Just curious, did you have tip plasty or the same procedure that I had? How many months did it take before you became satisfied with the look of you nose?

strawberrykiwi said: ↑

i think you should wait at least 6 mos. because it takes some time for your tip to get more defined. Trust me i emailed my dr. right after my surgery because i was so worried about it. then others told me to wait and see before i jump the gun and do another surgery. my dr. told me to wait 6mos. then email him photos and he'll work with what i have then. i'm happier with my nose now so i really don't plan to email me him in 6mos. i might just email in the photos just to see what his opinions are.

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[strawberrykiwi]

i got silastic implant, ear cartilage for my tip, and alarplasty. i got my surgery done at the end of march and didn't really begin to like my nose until recently. i was worried about everything but slowly the height of my nose settled down and now my tip is starting to get more defined. i've been told my family and friends that my tip is looking much better. i'm still waiting bc i know my tip will continue to get more defined so i'm still waiting for at least a few more months to see the final results (well closer to what my final result will look like since it can take over a year for some).

 

[just_a_thought]

That's good to hear, hope your final result turns out great!!

strawberrykiwi said: ↑

i got silastic implant, ear cartilage for my tip, and alarplasty. i got my surgery done at the end of march and didn't really begin to like my nose until recently. i was worried about everything but slowly the height of my nose settled down and now my tip is starting to get more defined. i've been told my family and friends that my tip is looking much better. i'm still waiting bc i know my tip will continue to get more defined so i'm still waiting for at least a few more months to see the final results (well closer to what my final result will look like since it can take over a year for some).

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