Revisional double eyelids surgery

[chairmanmeow]

Anyone who underwent eyelid lowering revision: Did you notice your brow got lower? Do they excise any skin or do they just undo the previous fold line and just work with the skin underneath the line?

I really don't want my brows to get any lower cause they are already quite low...

 

[ferlina]

Jennlynn said: ↑

Hi all,

I am writing in because I chanced upon this forum. I believe the information below can help some of you. I did epi restoration (not just revision) and eyelid lowering after an unnatural result that doesn't suit my face. My first surgery (the unnatural looking one) was with a surgeon in Korea who is quite popular on forums (but no other surgeons in Korea heard of him). It's been 2 years and a bit more since my first disastrous surgery and I'm glad I now have natural looking eyes again.

I did epi restoration with Dr. Ahn from [email protected] . I also did a little revision to expand the overdone epi restoration on the left side (my mistake, not his). In my first restoration, I asked him to restore more on the left side thinking that my left eye was naturally smaller. But it wasn't. It was my craniofacial structure that caused my eyes to look uneven in photos when they are not uneven at all. So I went back to him and did a 0.5mm epi on the left side to balance things out. I am ecstatic about the result!

Epi reversal: I paid 2 million KRW. My revision was free even though it was ME who wanted him to make the restoration uneven in the first place. He does the surgery with magnifying glasses and uses dermal stitches that are finer than hair to reduce scarring. Believe me, after 6 months, my scarring are minimal that even dermatologists said they can't see unless they scrutinise. I will say I scar normally (no keloid scarring for me ever except for BCG jabs which causes keloidal like scarring in most people anyway... but my BCG is very small and cute keloid, not the nasty looking ones.) His method is different from Dr Chung from Eveplastics. Chung's method is not too bad and allows for patient to dictate exactly how much they want to restore in surgery. But in my opinion, the contours of the epicanthic region is more natural with Ahn's method. The smallest restoration Ahn can do is 0.5mm. Ahn did over 400+ cases of reversal and it's all there on his computer for you to scrutinise. Most pics are fantastic. I do have an epi scar that is not caused by him but by the first surgeon who gave me hypertrophic scar with the "magic epi" method. I must say since I have considerable minimal scarring from restoration which is notorious for bad scarring, I am thinking that the skill of the first surgeon must have a lot to do with why I scarred from my first epi.

For eyelid lowering, I went to Dr. Kang from IOU [email protected] . He is pricey. I paid 4.7million KRW for eyelid lowering and ptosis correction in one eye. The price include a half-price discount on fat grafting to the eyelids to prevent readhesion. He uses a non-skin excision (there is incision.. he still cuts your eyelids but he doesn't remove skin) to lower eyelids. My surgery is VERY successful. By 2 weeks my eyes look so normal (still red incision line but swelling is minimal..noticeable only to me). In fact, I now have hidden double eyelids from eyelids that showed about 3mm when I open my eyes. He also made them more tapered which suited my face better. But I might go back to him for a tiny skin excision or a non-incisional technique to open up the platform show... that revision will be free again. I paid more for good results. I'm not saying he will be 100% successful all the time but for my case, i love what he did.

I consulted a lot of surgeons in Korea before about these revisions and I know how stressful it can be. But in good hands, you have nothing to fear.

Feel free to ask me questions. Happy to send photos too but only over emails. Private message me if you want to email me. I might not respond immediately but I'll try.

Take care!

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hi jennylynn - pls pm me @ [email protected]
my worried friend, in her 40's is doing eyelid revision and she freaked out on which clinics.

 

[naomielly]

hi juicy me do you do your eyes @ teuim?

 

[naomielly]

Hi everyone, I'm planning to have consultation with these clinics: item, banobagi, vip, and regen. Which one you think is the best one for doing eyelid surgery with epichantoplasty?

I'm waiting your quick response. Thanks a lot for your input

 

[chairmanmeow]

Hey jennlynn,
Can you look on your wall on your profile? Can you send your email to me? Thanks!

 

[naomielly]

SassyChic09 said: ↑

I got back from Korea about 2 months ago and still recover from nostrils base reduction and eyes revisionn with Dr. Lee at Banobagi. Like Astroboy, I choose Banobagi bec they have few compliants. Here is my story:
I was scheduled consultation with Dr. Joung for the eye revision but he couldn't do fat grafting for the eyes so I went with Dr. Lee for both eyes and nose. To fix my eyes, I need the fold to be lower but I also want lateral and epi done to make my eyes bigger. Since the doctor said my case is hard, he said I just need to lower the crease down and I don't need lateral and epi. First time I heard about the fat grafting on the eyes but I came too far to back out. I stay only 11 days in Seoul and I'm on the second day already for consultation. I was disappointed that the consutation with the doctor was only 2-4 minutes. I have questions to ask and I want me to talk to Mira insteady. She told me what I need and what I don't need like she's a doctor. Anyway I got the surgery schedule the next day.

Because 2 days gone by already so I didn't consult with other clinics. I had surveyed the last 2 years online. Anyway the surgery was so painful. I felt when Dr. Lee cut my eyelids and felt the burning in my stomach when he do a spoon size fat removal on my lower stomach. I felt when he sticked the tub in my skin in and out 5 times. I was so burning like burn alive. I'm constantly asking for more medication in my IV. He tried to do the surgery fast and ignore me but he couln't keep me quiet, so he told the assistance to give me more medication. Beside that, everything goes well. Healing was good.

Check up on the 7 days and I told Mira and Dr. Lee I'm not satisfy with my eyes bec it's still lôok small for my face and my nostrils still big. Mira told me that if he do smaller than it's look fake and it fit for my face already. The thing is it's only 10% better. Couldn't even tell that much different. I mean my friends and families cannot tell the different. Mỉra know that I want the lateral done so she charge me full price even I pay cash. She did make me pay 10% tax. Normally if you pay cash then you don't have to pay 10% tax and 2nd surgery is always cheaper but she twisted her words and told me it's more. I said it's not my fault that the doctor doesn't do it the first time. Anyway time is running out so I agreed to pay for it to get it done. He still not agree to redo my nose smaller. Dr. Lee surgery me on the same day.

Two days after 2nd surgery, Dr. Lee apologized to me that my eyes actually look better now with the lateral done and he's sorry that he didn't recommanded the first time around. My eyes actually look a little longer. I went back to U.S without remove stitches and have a hard time finding the right doctor to remove it bec the lateral stitches are so tiny and tight. Took me to see 3 doctors in half a day to remove those. I was scare to death that I have to fly to Korea just to remove the stitches.

Anyway my friends got his nose done with the same doctor and he was screaming bec he felt when his nose got hammered like 10 times. I could hear him from the recovery room. He said it was the worst experience ever. Anyway I send the recovery pics to mira and asked her why I have a little cross eye on my left eye and that it's open more then the right side but they told me to wait for another 2 months and said it healed beautifully. I know if it's not what I wanted then he's not going to fix it for free. No doctor over would. It's all down to money.

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hi sassy im planning to go to Korea on 6th April next 5 days. im going to get eyelid and epi surgery, i make a consultation book with item, banobagi, regen and vip
after reading your testimonial on banobagi, now im kinda scared. my question is , if you had a chance to turn back time and do surgery again , which clinic will you choose?
at banobagi , isn't it the one doing operation is dr ban it self (jae sang ban - the owner of banobagi)?
please help me to share your opinion as im confused. i also heard about bando eye however they are limited in speaking english so i couldnot get in contact with them. what should i do? please help

 

[sadeyes]

Naomielly said: ↑

hi sassy im planning to go to Korea on 6th April next 5 days. im going to get eyelid and epi surgery, i make a consultation book with item, banobagi, regen and vip
after reading your testimonial on banobagi, now im kinda scared. my question is , if you had a chance to turn back time and do surgery again , which clinic will you choose?
at banobagi , isn't it the one doing operation is dr ban it self (jae sang ban - the owner of banobagi)?
please help me to share your opinion as im confused. i also heard about bando eye however they are limited in speaking english so i couldnot get in contact with them. what should i do? please help

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Naomeilly,
Have you tried using an interpreter? I don't have her number but I have her email: [email protected] and her name is Zoe. Hope that helps and keep us posted about your surgery! Best of wishes!

 

[dr-charles-lee]

Eyelid_revision said: ↑

Dear girls,

I went to Seoul last April for my eyelid revision surgery. I had the following problems with my previous double eyelid surgery with Dr. Charles Lee in Los Angeles:

1) Dr. Charles Lee made my folds too high and too round shaped that they didn't look natural
2) He made my folds too deep and it caused ECTROPION (the inner eyelids are turned out too much and don't look good)
3) Asymmetric folds

Even though Dr. Charles Lee did a revision surgery for me, he couldn't fix the problems. In fact, I became worse off as too many operated eyes become much more difficult for future revisions for natural looking results. I also lost a lot of my muscles that lift my eyelids and also too much scarring and depressed area in my eyelids. Dr. Charles Lee is the one of the worst people in their profession - he should not have become a doctor.

With this desperation, agony, and problems that were caused by incompetent, poorly skilled Dr. Charles Lee, I went to Seoul to search for a solution for my eyelid revision. I consulted with several doctors, and I learned from talking to them that eye revisions require much more skills and experiences than the first time double eyelid surgeries. Not all doctors could do revisions well. I would be better off finding someone who specializes in eye revisions and someone who could fix the problems I was having.

Here is some notes I made about some doctors regarding eye revisions:

1) Dr. Byun Gun Kim at BK - He told me straight out that he could not fix my "too deep folds and ectropion issues". He was giving an excuse like "your skin is too thick". He also said I should expect a little asymmetry even after a revision. He could pretty much only lower my folds. Since he was not that skilled, I opted for other doctors. His rate was the lowest among all the doctors I consulted with, which is somewhat reflects and is fair for his incompetency - $2500

2) Dr. Jyoung at Banobagi - He basically said he could lower my folds and also do something extra - ptosis correction. The issue here is that I do not have ptosis. I felt like it was his thing to do ptosis corrections even if patients don't have that much issue with it just for the sake of bigger eye effect, except I didn't want bigger eyes. I wanted smaller folds and fix my other problems. I was looking for more natural looking eye, rather than unnatural, dramatic, asymmetric eyes that Dr. Charles Lee had created. Dr. Jyoung didn't say anything about ectropion, deep folds so I pretty much crossed him out from my list. His rate was $3200 after all the discount.

3) VIP Clinic - Dr. Lee here is well known for nose and nose revisions, not so much for eye revisions. You'd better go somewhere else for eye revisions.

4) Dr. Cho at Bando Eye Clinic - he specializes in eye and eye revisions only. He is very well regarded in many Korean websites (my Korean friends checked him out for me) for his eye revision works. He is the most expensive though. However, I was looking for solve all my problems, not bargain hunting for fixing only half of the problems. Even during the consultation, he pointed out all the problems I had and said he could fix them all. Check out his website too - he spells out each problems he could fix. I felt that other doctors just say they do revisions but in fact, there are many areas they can not fix (ectropion, deep folds, asymmetry, etc.)

So, I chose Dr. Cho for my eye revisions. It has been a week since my eyelid revision surgery, and I can already tell that my problems are fixed - my folds are smaller (even though I have swollen eyes, I could just tell they are smaller already), my folds are shallower and look more natural, my ectropion issue looks much better now, and my asymmetry looks fixed. I am HAPPY about my results so far. I think that from now on, my eyes will look even better and more natural...finally, I am smiling after all these problems...I should have come to Seoul in the first place, not Dr. Charles Lee or anyone else in the states. I consulted several doctors in the states who specialize in Asian eyelid surgeries and based on what doctors in Seoul here say and what they were saying in the states, I could tell that doctors in Seoul are much better and much advanced in their technique and knowledge.

I know that there are so many girls out there (some are victims of Dr. Charles Lee whom I think he should stop operating on girls and mutilating their faces with mediocre and half baked jobs) who are wondering about eye revisions. The above are my experiences, and I wanted to share this with you. I had the same agony with my eyelid issues plus the problem of not knowing the Korean language and the best doctors in Seoul. However, I have now fixed my problems with the help of a good doctor, and I highly recommend Dr. Cho at Bando Eye Clinic to the girls who are looking to fix "all of your eye revision problems" and would not compromise with "half revisions" with other doctors like BK's Dr. Kim or others.

I am writing this out of my good heart to help those who need help. We need to help each other.

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Hi Eye_lid revision,

I'm sorry that your experience in my clinic was not satisfactory. Since I don't have the full details of your visit to our clinic, it's difficult to comment on the specifics (how severe was the preexisting ptosis; are you a smoker; were you able to come for close-follow up, or are you from far away; did you have prior surgery). We care about each of our patients and as all doctors are human, there will always be some degree of error which may or may not be completely under the doctor's control. I wish you well in your future endeavors.

Dr. Charles Lee

 

[sassychic09]

Naomielly said: ↑

hi sassy im planning to go to Korea on 6th April next 5 days. im going to get eyelid and epi surgery, i make a consultation book with item, banobagi, regen and vip
after reading your testimonial on banobagi, now im kinda scared. my question is , if you had a chance to turn back time and do surgery again , which clinic will you choose?
at banobagi , isn't it the one doing operation is dr ban it self (jae sang ban - the owner of banobagi)?
please help me to share your opinion as im confused. i also heard about bando eye however they are limited in speaking english so i couldnot get in contact with them. what should i do? please help

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I'm not sure where I'm going but I did contact Banobagi and they told me to come back and have face to face consultation again before they can fix it for free or charge again. But I think it just not cool, I mean I have to pay flight and hotel for international and there might be a charge to fix my eyes again. It's just crazy. I did send them my after pics but I guess they think it's not enough and no doctor want to do the surgery free. So just check around and talk to the doctors. Have many consultation as you can. The down fall is you can't book appointment ahead of time bec he need to have consultation with them first. I didn't have time the last time. I have to consultation with 2 doctors and both are from Banobagi.

 

[naomielly]

Hi everyone i want to share my experience. Yesterday i went 4 consultation to vip, item, regen, and banobagi. 1. VIP - building quiete big and colorfull does not looks like hospital or clinic. dr seem ok(y) and informative but he said my bone and eyes ball is small so i won't much get bigger eye. Actually I'm ok(y) with the doctor and i could had done my eyelid there but the assistant, the one who reply my mail before is not reliable. She did not know anything and said the one who reply the email is not her eventough the email under her name. So i think she's not reliable and irresponsible.and as well the way she sent us to the door for good bye after consultation is not nice.
2. ITEM - building only 2 floors (lv 3 and 9) not big. Interior quiet comfy and professional. Dr is very attending, care what i concern (judge from the consultation not yet see his works) very nice pleasant. So he assure me somuch despite the clinic only 2 floor the i don't like.
3. Regen- gone consult in old building @apgujeong quiet busy and none of them spaek english even a bit luckly one of the patient i think understand basic english told me that it should be @ their new building on shinophyeon. The building is very huge, luxury, comfy and professional. Got 15 Floors, the building very promising. However in such big building and located big road should have someone speak english.they all speak chinese though. Dr seems in hurry and recomend i should have non incision where all other clinic suggestme incision n also in email b4 they suggested incision) he said non incision will last permanently only in korea nnon incision will be fine for my droppy eyes. Sigh realyy????? Btw in regen the assistan kind of push me to make deposit. Its hard to get out from there it took me 30 minutes to get out from there. And i have to say i had to get money from bank cos i don't bring any. So total 3 hours in regen (wait doctor 2 hours , 20 min consult with assistant, less than10 min consult with doctor, 30 min they try to ask me for deposit)
4. Banobagi- building is quite big and interior is professional quiete busy.
Here doctor seem little bit arrogant, and speak no english and there are 2 person doing interpretation, 1 person translate from korean to chinese and other from chinese to english. Could you imagine how hard it was. The missunderstanding between me and doctor will be high. Doactor say i need double eyelid and epi is my choice. But the the assistant give me 4 milkrw in price for doing double eye lid epi and elevator muscle. Wah rip off . And this is the hardest to get out. I took me almost 1 hour to get out even tough i said I'm just doing consultation first. They even want to accompany us to the atm.looong Sigh mmm:::/
Finally i made my choice to item as i really comfy with the doctor. Today i do double eyelid and epi. The clinic is quiete small but clean and comfy, first they ask me to change wash face and took picture. Then come the scary part, i was taken to operating room. Disinfect my face and tie my hand and feet . I was scared to hell i even cry ( embarassing moment) the assistant (her name may) had to calm me down. Then the doctor come he drawing the line then put sedative and local. I don't feel anyting during local anasthesia( people said hurt a lot so i asked sedative) the operation took only 1 hour and don't feel any major pain. How ever 2 hours after feels like hell. My eyelid feels like burning and painfull. So i compressed with ice pack.now 8 hour after operation, the burning sensation isa gone only pain little bit some time but hardly to open my eyes. My eyes is sticky. Conclusion: somehow i feel how can i be so brave to do all this. I feel eyelid surgery is really painful even more hurt than caesarean. I can't imagine the other people who done their nose and jaw and other surgery. Beauty is suffering . For me to get nice eyes, i have to pay this suffering. So i hope my eye turn out nicely so what i suffered is paid off.

 

[toheart08]

Hi guys,

I need some urgent advice. Btw, if to revise double eyelids and raise the cease higher (after mini incision done) and make it more parallel, can suture be done over it or need do full incision? But what about the previous scar? I dont want a double cease. Sigh... I only worry double cease triple eyelid...

 

[worries]

toheart08 said:

Hi guys,

I need some urgent advice. Btw, if to revise double eyelids and raise the cease higher (after mini incision done) and make it more parallel, can suture be done over it or need do full incision? But what about the previous scar? I dont want a double cease. Sigh... I only worry double cease triple eyelid...

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If your current is mini incision cut will will have to create a new fold by new incision cut to remove the current incision & scar tissue . Suture method cannot be done.

 

[toheart08]

Hi Worries,

So saying, after revision, will the skin between my eyebrow and the scar line be shorten after new incision done?

I want a higher parallel cease.

Worries said: ↑

If your current is mini incision cut will will have to create a new fold by new incision cut to remove the current incision & scar tissue . Suture method cannot be done.

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[toheart08]

Since after new revision, there will be a new scar line. But will fats be removed after every incision? I worry the cut is deeper after second incision. and my eyelids will look hollow. Sigh... How do you wait for yours to revise?

toheart08 said: ↑

Hi Worries,

So saying, after revision, will the skin between my eyebrow and the scar line be shorten after new incision done?

I want a higher parallel cease.

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[worries]

Hi dear,

Whether to remove anymore fats on ur orbital eyelid it's depends on individual condition if ur eyelid still puffy maybe need. Anyway yes there will be a new scar line after Dr remove your old scar line with incision. It's easy for dr to revision for patients who need a higher fold than those who need to eyelid lowering revision. However
you need to know that Asian eyes Anatomy & Caucasian is diff, Asian has thicker fibrous muscle & more orbital fats than Caucasian. Caucasian has higher brown bone & deep set eyes, that is why they can take high crease while the Asian cannot, our eyelid will not fold in as deep as them due to the thick fibrous muscle & the low brown bone we have.. Asian acceptable crease height usually falls below 6mm. Unless u r a mix maybe u can take 8mm.. Crease.

Oh u will have to wait a better time of 6mths before revision.