Revisional double eyelids surgery

[loserbitch]

Deepeyes said: ↑

1) Yes, after my first revision for my left eye with Dr Kwon, he couldn't fix the problem. I was left with a deep wrinkle on my left eye above incision line. A few people saw the photo and it looks pretty serious then. In fact he performed two fat grafts for my left eye but it just won't go away then. At that time, he tried his best to help me.. I had to visit Teium everyday and he was really angry with me for not performing fat graft during primary surgery as I was already suffering from sunken eyelid for my left eye then. After my revision, I still remember the look on Dr Kwon's and nurses' faces. They said they already did their best and that would be my permanent look and my left eye will never be as nice as my right eye. Eventually, I used my own method to remove the deep wrinkle and after 5 months it went away like 80% of it. You cannot see it clearly unless you scrutinize it clearly.

I am not going to say Dr Kwon's skill is no good because I really don't know. I had my revision at 5 weeks after primary surgery, not sure if this plays a part as well!

By the time I went to Dr Kang, my wrinkle on my left eye was very minimal and I had the 3rd fat graft on my left eye. However I am more inclined to believe Dr Kang is better at revision because in a lot of his patients' photos, I saw many photos with deep folds/lines that he is able to completely remove and at the same time create a new one.

2. During the first few weeks, the depth looks the same however incision on corner of both eyes are more flat looking for the recent surgery performed by dr Kang. I disagree that depth will definitely decrease with time because it depends on how deep the surgeon cut your eyes. At 5th week, the incision lines became even deeper for my previous surgery by Dr Kwon and it continues to get deeper as time went. Currently my folds are still deep but I don't see it getting deeper as before. Hope this time the depth does decrease with time.

Actually if you are just doing ptosis, you don't have to worry how the incision/revision will turn out since you are not bothered by the depth thereafter you can always opt to do ptosis alone.

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Thank you again for being so thorough and aiding me in coming to a decision. I am glad that so far your folds have not gotten deeper; please keep us updated. I'm glad you and others haven't just disappeared after getting surgery because that's really where the answers come from... and that this forum isn't just a big mass of pre-surgery people scouring for information (guilty).

 

[lalaland115]

Deepeyes said: ↑

Sorry, this is going to be an incredible longpost! I had my revision surgery with DrKang last week. In fact, it was straight after my consultation. I stillcouldn’t believe I made that hasty decision but I was on the verge of breakingpoint I simply couldn’t put this on hold any further. I need my life back. . I bought Bromelain and sinnech frommakemeheal.com and I ate them about 3 days prior to surgery. I didn’t have themduring my primary surgery so this time I could use the comparison.



This is my 2nd surgery on my right eyeand 3rd surgery for my left eye within 7 months. Just typing thisstruck fear and sent chill down my spine. I had my primary surgery and left eyerevision by Dr Kwon from Teium. I didn’t want to mention his name earlier becauseI don’t want to cause any misunderstanding when it was my fault to begin with.All I need was ptosis and correction of triple fold to double fold for only myleft eye. I must have gone crazy to even daydream of having super deep dollyeyes like Angelababy! I ended up having double eyelid, ptosis and epic surgery. I look like a doll after makeup andlooks prettier in camera and video but I was very unhappy because I look very fakewithout makeup. My eyes looks like it has 2 deep cut and people could telleasily I did something to my eyes. It is very un-natural so I cannot really blamethe doctor. In fact he gave me what I wanted. I like my ptosis and epic though!They are very nice.



Anyway I didn’t listen to Dr Kwon at that time anddidn’t do fat graft on my left eye. As a result, my left eye suffered fromcomplication and I ended up with multiple folds. It was very serious! I had togo back in January to fix my left eye. Dr Kwon was very upset with me for notlistening to him. However he did the best he could for me. After surgery, myleft eye was left with a deep wrinkle above my incision and he said that’s thebest he could do for me. Luckily I used my own remedy and the scar went awaylike 85%. You cannot really see unless you are literally scrutinizing my lefteye. As time goes, I really hate my eyesas they are simply too deep that’s why I had to seek for revision.



Back to IOU! The clinic is nice and cosy, prettystandard size for small clinic. Iarrived at IOU at 5.30pm straight from airport. Ms Lee took me to consultationroom and we talked for about 20 mins. She needs to understand if I have money,if I can do surgery today (I pre-empted them earlier), my conditions, whathappened and what’s my expected outcome etc.



I met Dr Kang who had completed his surgery at6.25pm. Originally I had contacted a translator and the nurse told me not tobring one during the call. According to grapevine, it is due to commission cutby translator I guess. During the consultation, I speak Korean to Dr Kang sinceI have no translator. I have been learning Korean for the last 6 months for thesake of my surgery. Well, the good news is Dr Kang brought in a male detemologistand his English was really excellent. He translated some difficult questionsfor us. So please save your money on translator. Cheers for dr Kang with such good initiative.



I am happy after the consultation. Dr Kang told methe wrinkle on my left upper eyelid (balance 15%) will go away and I will nothave triple fold. A few weeks earlier, another forumer got triple eyelid 2weeks after surgery with Dr Kang. After seeing her message, I got prettyparanoid and cranky as I do not know understand how she could have gotten this underDr Kang. Maybe she never do fat graft anyway she chose to ignore my question. Ireally could use that info n support.



I showed all my old photos and videos to Dr Kangbecause I want my original eyelid height, depth back. He told me my originaleyelid height is 8cm. After my ptosis was done by previous surgeon, my eyelidis now 7cm. Btw, he told me my ptosis is good… J The great news is Dr Kang can do deep linecorrection and retain my original height of 7cm! Omg! This is the only thingthat’s nagging at the back of my mind for the past 6 months. I goggled andresearched everywhere and nobody could tell me that I can retain my originalcrease height. This is the key determining factor in deciding if I should getmy surgery today. If Dr Kang is going to lower my eyelid, I would ratherdecline the surgery and have it 7 cm and deep rather than low and natural.



This answered my 2nd concern as well since I saw 2bad reviews of Dr Kang re low eyelid height. I believe Dr Kang used to do lowcrease, for the locals, and highly recommend that for his patients but what isso great about him is he is very flexible in accommodating to our needs andrequirements.



By the time we finished our consultation, it wasabout 7.10pm and I had to make a quick decision. My heart was pounding realhard at that moment. I was brought to aclean neat room with locker, wardrobe and washing facilities to change and washmy face. Surprisingly I do not need to remove my clothes. All I need is to puton their bathrobe.



At 8pm, I was brought to the surgical room. It wasvery similar to the one I had at my primary clinic. I saw the cute Hello Kittyon the ceiling. In comparison to my recentsurgery, I must say I am a bit surprised no antiseptic was put on my face. Ihad this at 2 other clinics prior to this surgery. Other than this, it waspretty ok.



The nurses couldn’t find my vein to prepare fordrip and they poked me a few times! Ouch! It was a bit painful and theyapologize for it but I didn’t have the heart to scold them probably also I wastoo preoccupied with my own anxieties!



Dr Kang stepped in to draw the markings around myeyes. I told him to do his best and this would be my last surgery. Out of myconsternation, he said I have sunken eyelids and he didn’t see it duringconsultation earlier. In fact he said my upper eyelid fats are good andsufficient prior to this. If I do not inject fats, about 5 years later, I willexperience sunken eyelid again. I reckon this indirectly implied my fat graft willstay permanent in the near future. He acknowledged my sufferings re my agonyfrom these surgeries and he is determined to ensure this is my last surgery. Atthat moment, I was very touched. Since price was already agreed so the fatgraft was free for me. Wow! How nice right? I was more worried because I havehad 2 upper fat grafts on my left eyelid previously.



I was put to sleep for that 5 mins and was lookingforward to see the hello kitty lights etc but no I didn’t see them. Instead, I saw many moving colors andlightings during the process. At one point, I probably screamed as I could feelsharp pain on my stomach. That’s the liposuction to get the fats. Before that Iwas debating with Dr Kang to extract fats from my thigh as I know fats fromThigh are more lasting than Stomach but Dr Kang insisted it doesn’t make anydifference due to the minimal amount.



They woke me up and during surgery I could feel drKang was using blue laser light to burn my eye lids tissues. I am wondering ifhe had to detach my eyelid from tarsal plate. I couldn’t get an answer on hismethod to perform my deep line corrections. For all my eyelid surgeries, I amthankful I didn’t experience any pain. Having said this, at the end of mysurgery I could feel him tugging my eyelids... It was a bit painful but totallybearable. Think he was injecting fat graft at that point in time. About 10 minsbefore surgery ended, he was chit chatting with me. Asking me where I learnt myKorean. He also informed my politely that the way I addressed him is wrong. Icall him Weesa-nim and it should be Shangsim-nim. This made me laugh then. I could sense that heis really quick, fast, relax and my surgery is simply a piece of cake for him. Hetold me the surgery is very successful, 100% success rate. Wow! I was veryrelieved to hear that.

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Hello! Were you doing an eyelid lowering revision?

 

[lalaland115]

weick said: ↑

Hi. I got my revisional eyelid surgery, ptosis correction and fat graft with Dr. Kang.

Overall I think I'm satisfied although its a bit too early to tell. My stitches haven't come out yet and my eyes are swollen and bruised very badly.

Dr Kang is very thorough. He answered my questions and addresses my concerns as well as well as going through the risk factors and potential unfavorable outcome. One factor was that if my previous surgery cut out my fat sac (orbital septum) then he would only be able to inject between the skin and muscle which could result in bumpy eyelids.

I felt a lot of pain during my surgery. I woke up from te anesthesia too early ( saw lots of roller coaster colors) but felt the fat withdrawal. I was aware of most of the surgery--felt the fat injection, ptosis correction, smelled the cutting of skin. Everything was bearable even though painful until the end when the anesthesia wore off and I could feel the stitching. Dr Kang put in more shots at that time.

I opened and closed my eyes several times during the surgery and he said the anesthesia sometimes has different effect on each eye so there is a possibility it may come out uneven but the chances are very small. But he still warned me and I won't know until 5-7 days post surgery.

There wasn't an anesthesiologist. When I inquired in the previous consult and through phone calls they said there was one but when I asked why there isn't one they said its such light sleep there was no need. I asked if they needed to measure my weight so they know how much to put it and also no need. I'm generally in good overall health. So I went ahead but if anyone has a health condition then it'd be best to let them know early on. Maybe they call one? They don't ask any health related question prior to surgery which seems to suggest they take the surgery as not as major surgery. My friend who got eye surgery at a different clinic a few months back was constantly monitored during the surgery as she has some minor health condition.

Lastly, I am a neat freak and I was not happy with the operating room. It seemed too cluttered and didnnot get as clean" an impression as in some other hospital grade clinics. There was even a shoe cabinet by the doorway!

I don't mean to sound too negative on my experience. It's too soon to tell. I am crying blood on my first day and hope this is normal.

I know there are many many positive reviews about Dr Kang and despite everything I think he has the experience and it is a very "local" shop which has its pluses and minuses.

I can't see very well now so I will come back and write another follow up review.

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Hello! How is your recovery going? would you recommend getting the eyelid lowering revision to someone else? I have the same problem.. too high fold.. =(

 

[lalaland115]

itsumobaby said: ↑

I am gona make a promise to everyone here- when I get my revisional done in IOU I will definitely write a detailed report here and share with everyone

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Hello! Were you able to have a revision yet? What is the issue you are having now? Any information you can provide would be great!!

 

[lalaland115]

Hi, I'm fairly new to this. How do you PM or message someone?

 

[ladybugz]

How much are you all paying for revision surgery and ptosis correction?

I need a revision really really bad. My former surgeon didn't realize that I had ptosis, and now my eyelids are extremely asymmetrical after my initial surgery because of the weakness in muscle on my right eye.

I might also get double eyelid surgery because of how thick and hooded my eyes are.

I don't think I want epicanthoplasty though.

 

[weick]

lalaland115 said: ↑

Hello! How is your recovery going? would you recommend getting the eyelid lowering revision to someone else? I have the same problem.. too high fold.. =(

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I would recommend dr Kang if you want to lower your eyelids with an overhang. He is very good at that and its his specialty. I didnt necessarily want to lower my eyelids. I was correcting ptosis and revising eyelid/eyeline because left and right eyes were uneven and also excising skin which had loosened over the years. I also had to get fat graft for sunken eyes.
Dr kang said he would not lower the line or decrease the size of the crease. However the outcome so far is that my crease was lowered and my eyelids are smaller than before. He said it is about 20-30% smaller. I'm not sure why my crease is lower despite him saying he wouldnt lower it. I am guessing its because of his method of creating the eyelid (see snowcup's explanation) so inevitably it becomes smaller. I think it is also due to this reason he can't excise too much skin and also have an overhang over my lids.
Everything looks very natural but too natural as if nothing was fixed. I still have ptosis and still waiting for final results and my eyelids are getting smaller each week as the swelling decreases (I'm 5 weeks post op). I'm worried its going to get too small and my eyelids will go almost all under the overhang. I still have the unevenness in both eyes and the lines are uneven in many ways. My fat graft did not stay much.

It may be too early to tell the final outcome but as of now the only definite outcome is that my eyelids are smaller than before (and this was not necessarily the intended outcome for me).

In summary if you want small crease with overhang then I think dr Kang can definitely deliver. For me keeping the same size and not lowering did not work.

 

[deepeyes]

weick said: ↑

I would recommend dr Kang if you want to lower your eyelids with an overhang. He is very good at that and its his specialty. I didnt necessarily want to lower my eyelids. I was correcting ptosis and revising eyelid/eyeline because left and right eyes were uneven and also excising skin which had loosened over the years. I also had to get fat graft for sunken eyes.
Dr kang said he would not lower the line or decrease the size of the crease. However the outcome so far is that my crease was lowered and my eyelids are smaller than before. He said it is about 20-30% smaller. I'm not sure why my crease is lower despite him saying he wouldnt lower it. I am guessing its because of his method of creating the eyelid (see snowcup's explanation) so inevitably it becomes smaller. I think it is also due to this reason he can't excise too much skin and also have an overhang over my lids.
Everything looks very natural but too natural as if nothing was fixed. I still have ptosis and still waiting for final results and my eyelids are getting smaller each week as the swelling decreases (I'm 5 weeks post op). I'm worried its going to get too small and my eyelids will go almost all under the overhang. I still have the unevenness in both eyes and the lines are uneven in many ways. My fat graft did not stay much.

It may be too early to tell the final outcome but as of now the only definite outcome is that my eyelids are smaller than before (and this was not necessarily the intended outcome for me).

In summary if you want small crease with overhang then I think dr Kang can definitely deliver. For me keeping the same size and not lowering did not work.

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Hi Weick,

Sorry to hear that your eyelid is lower than originally intended. You mentioned everything looks very natural. May I ask if you have any improvements in your depth? I know it takes a while to see depth improvement but just want to know if you already see that improvement? I have not seen that yet.

 

[deepeyes]

Keepfaith said: ↑

@deepeyes: I'm new to this thread, and just read your post. So happy for you that you finally got the eye style you like. Dr. Kang sounds like a very skilled surgeon who has helped with many troubled eyelids. I have my own eyelid trouble too. I just had a revision surgery 2 weeks ago, however, i was left with more problems than prior. I feel that I need another revision surgery to correct all these new problems. Poor me feel so desperate and depressed. Here are my problems: 1) there is a deep wrinkle left above my left eyelid. In your post you said that you used your own method, and 90% of it went away. Could you kindly share what you did to make the deep wrinkle go away? I would really appreciate your advice. 2) After the ptosis correction, my eye shape looks like a sharp triangle. It makes the eye look extremely wield and unnatural. Since you had Ptosis correction too, did you also experience that? If so, how long does it take for the tri-angle shape go away and so the eye shape looks more natural? 3)Height of eyelid crease. My eyelid width is only about 5mm now which i think is too small. Do you know if there is a way to make the cease a little taller like 7mm?

Your help will be greatly appreciated. Again best of wishes on your healing.

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1) I used very good anti wrinkle products and massage it many times daily for a few months.
2) Hmm.. no I did not experience any sharp triangle shape therefore cannot give any advice.
3) You should consult with doctor and you need height increasing surgery. The good news is this is a much easier surgery than lid lowering.

 

[weick]

Deepeyes said: ↑

Hi Weick,

Sorry to hear that your eyelid is lower than originally intended. You mentioned everything looks very natural. May I ask if you have any improvements in your depth? I know it takes a while to see depth improvement but just want to know if you already see that improvement? I have not seen that yet.

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Hi. My lines are still deep. It's a little better because the lids have less swelling now (but still swollen). It looks even deeper because the lids retract from the line and because of the overhanging skin it looks like my lids are sliding in and out from the line and looks deep. I'm not sure if I'm explaining it correctly. It's definitely less deep than the first one or 2 weeks but still on the deep side.

 

[keepfaith]

Deepeyes said: ↑

1) I used very good anti wrinkle products and massage it many times daily for a few months.
2) Hmm.. no I did not experience any sharp triangle shape therefore cannot give any advice.
3) You should consult with doctor and you need height increasing surgery. The good news is this is a much easier surgery than lid lowering.

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Thanks a lot for sharing the tips. For the anti-wrinkle product, may I know which brand did you use? Also do you know which doctor is good at lid height increasing? Other than Dr. Kang, I wondering who are the other top eyelid surgeons in Korea. I may also want to reverse the epi. With this epi it actually makes my eye looks smaller. I would rather have a parallel lid which would make my eye look more natural.

Please don't worry too much about the depth, in 3 months you may begin to see the result of the depth. In 6 months, you shall see the final result. Healing takes time.

 

[deepeyes]

weick said: ↑

Hi. My lines are still deep. It's a little better because the lids have less swelling now (but still swollen). It looks even deeper because the lids retract from the line and because of the overhanging skin it looks like my lids are sliding in and out from the line and looks deep. I'm not sure if I'm explaining it correctly. It's definitely less deep than the first one or 2 weeks but still on the deep side.

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Thanks a lot..My depth is like yours too. I kinda of freaked out today after reading all the posts regarding height decreasing as it recovers. I am no longer swelling much only during 1st 2 hours in the morning. I am not having ptosis anymore... wondering if I should be concerned abt my height now.

For the 1st time after my surgery I am experiencing bad anxiety again. On tenterhooks whole day.. these eye surgeries really drive me nuts!

 

[deepeyes]

Keepfaith said: ↑

Thanks a lot for sharing the tips. For the anti-wrinkle product, may I know which brand did you use? Also do you know which doctor is good at lid height increasing? Other than Dr. Kang, I wondering who are the other top eyelid surgeons in Korea. I may also want to reverse the epi. With this epi it actually makes my eye looks smaller. I would rather have a parallel lid which would make my eye look more natural.

Please don't worry too much about the depth, in 3 months you may begin to see the result of the depth. In 6 months, you shall see the final result. Healing takes time.

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I use kiehl double strength wrinkle filler for 1 mth. ..after that I switched to sk2 wrinkle specialist. Both are very good. I massage the wrinkle very often during initial weeks. Literally like every 1-2 hours. Personally I m pretty amazed by the before and after results.

If you read thru earlier posts, some people went to Dr Chung or Dr Ahn (not sure of spelling) for epic reversal.

 

[keepfaith]

Deepeyes said: ↑

I use kiehl double strength wrinkle filler for 1 mth. ..after that I switched to sk2 wrinkle specialist. Both are very good. I massage the wrinkle very often during initial weeks. Literally like every 1-2 hours. Personally I m pretty amazed by the before and after results.

If you read thru earlier posts, some people went to Dr Chung or Dr Ahn (not sure of spelling) for epic reversal.

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Thanks a million for sharing all the information. I will check them out.
Also i just want to let you know that although your eye may not look that swelling in the afternoon, but there is still internal swelling and healing going on under the eyelid. I hope you will get the beautiful eyelids you want soon.

 

[itsumobaby]

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