Revisional double eyelids surgery

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poohkh said: ↑

Hi Shermainetsj, I have not heard of MVP before but frlm your post it seems to be very good. I am doing my double eyelid and nose at JW clinic and going with docfinder. But I am taking MVP as my consideration as well now. What do you think? Thank you so much.x

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You may wanna visit their MVP website to know more about them.

Have you placed any deposits at JW? If not, my advise would be to arrange a consultation with MVP on ur own at the same time. You need not go thr any agent for that.
MVP is just across the street from JW clinic.

Do visit different clinics before you make ur decision.

 

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Shermainetsj said: ↑

You may wanna visit their MVP website to know more about them.

Have you placed any deposits at JW? If not, my advise would be to arrange a consultation with MVP on ur own at the same time. You need not go thr any agent for that.
MVP is just across the street from JW clinic.

Do visit different clinics before you make ur decision.

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Hi Shermainets, Thank you so much for your kind reply. I havent placed any deposit yet. Yes i will do. Do you mind to email me ut before and after pictures please. That will be very helpful. My email is [email protected] x

 

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mldaven said: ↑

First of all, I am very thankful for everyone who posted their experiences here, so that I could find Dr. Kang from IOU(http://www.iou4u.com) to fix my very unsatisfactory eyelid surgery outcome.

Back in September, 2011, I had my first eyelid surgery to remove droopy eyelid skin from a doctor in LA. But, the outcome was very unsatisfactory.
My creases were totally asymetrical and incision lines sat at 9-9.5mm, which it looked totally unnatural.
I suffered from depression and emotional pain after the first surgery and cried almost every day, until I had my eyelid revision with Dr. Kang from IOU.

As I can read and speak Korean fluently, I was able to find a few clinics that are well reviewed at eyelid revision from the internet.
I emailed them whether the revision can be done at 4 months post-op from first surgery as I could not live another day crying and suffering emotionally.
Most of them told me that I need to wait at least 6 months to entertain the idea of revision just like three oculoplastic surgeons I saw here in the USA. But, 3 doctors in Korea told me that they may be able to do the revision at 4 months if the scar is not bad. To be precise, one doctor said he can do the revision for sure at 4 months post-op from first surgery. Other two doctors including Dr. Kang said they need to see me face to face to determine whether I can be a candidate for revision.

I decided to fly to Korea in January at the 4 months mark from first my eyelid surgery and had three consulations in Korea. All of doctors said that the revision can be done to lower the eyelids.
I was told that there are two ways to lower the high folds. One method is placing the new incision line lower than the original one and to remove the skin between, which I believe this is a typical way to lower the high folds. This method is good if there is enough skin.

Another method is placing the new incision line below the original one and undoing the original eyelid surgery with the fat grafting to prevent re-adhesion. This method does not need to remove any skin, which is good in case of skin shortage. As I did not have enough skin to remove, two doctors recommened the latter method to me.

Among the two doctors, Dr. Kang's fee was more expensive but, I chose Dr. Kang as I felt that he knew exactly what had to be done to my eyelids.
I wanted to get the job done right even if it cost more as I did not want to go through more horrible times.
My surgery lasted about two and half hours for lowering the eyelids, fat grafting, ptosis correction and lower eyelid blepharoplasty.

Right after surgery, I could see that my eyes looked way better than before even though I was so bruised. My creases were almost symetrical and lower. And, they were both more naturally tapered.

At about 2 weeks post-op, my eyelids looked so natural even though it was still bruised. The swelling went away really quickly.
When I left Korea after one month Post-Op, I still had some amount of bruising and I was really worried that it may not go away. But, Dr. Kang assured me that it would go away and I am so glad that it did.
I am almost 2 months post-op now from revision with Dr. Kang and most of my bruising is gone. Just very slight discoloration on one eyelid, which it is not noticeable.

If you are suffering from a bad eyelid surgery, I highly recommed Dr. Kang for you. He is very gentle, caring, great bedside manner and professional.
His office is full of Korean patients seeking eyelid revision surgeries. During follow-up visits, I have met many happy patients who had the eyelid revisions with him.
I was told that most of eyelids can be fixed and improved. So, please don't give up the hope. I thought that there was no hope for me until I met Dr. Kang.

I am so glad that I found him. For the first time in 6 months, I am not trying to hide my eyes from people seeing.
Finally, I am no longer crying because of my eyes.

If I need another eye work in the future, I now know where to go.
Please note that I am not working for Dr. Kang.

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thank you for sharing your experience. it is so valuable and heartening to know your story and your solution.

 

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Dr. Charles Lee said: ↑

Hi Eye_lid revision,

I'm sorry that your experience in my clinic was not satisfactory. Since I don't have the full details of your visit to our clinic, it's difficult to comment on the specifics (how severe was the preexisting ptosis; are you a smoker; were you able to come for close-follow up, or are you from far away; did you have prior surgery). We care about each of our patients and as all doctors are human, there will always be some degree of error which may or may not be completely under the doctor's control. I wish you well in your future endeavors.

Dr. Charles Lee

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sounds like a load of ******** to me. pardon my language. that just sounded horribly irresponsible.

 

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Naomielly said: ↑

Hi everyone i want to share my experience. Yesterday i went 4 consultation to vip, item, regen, and banobagi. 1. VIP - building quiete big and colorfull does not looks like hospital or clinic. dr seem ok(y) and informative but he said my bone and eyes ball is small so i won't much get bigger eye. Actually I'm ok(y) with the doctor and i could had done my eyelid there but the assistant, the one who reply my mail before is not reliable. She did not know anything and said the one who reply the email is not her eventough the email under her name. So i think she's not reliable and irresponsible.and as well the way she sent us to the door for good bye after consultation is not nice.
2. ITEM - building only 2 floors (lv 3 and 9) not big. Interior quiet comfy and professional. Dr is very attending, care what i concern (judge from the consultation not yet see his works) very nice pleasant. So he assure me somuch despite the clinic only 2 floor the i don't like.
3. Regen- gone consult in old building @apgujeong quiet busy and none of them spaek english even a bit luckly one of the patient i think understand basic english told me that it should be @ their new building on shinophyeon. The building is very huge, luxury, comfy and professional. Got 15 Floors, the building very promising. However in such big building and located big road should have someone speak english.they all speak chinese though. Dr seems in hurry and recomend i should have non incision where all other clinic suggestme incision n also in email b4 they suggested incision) he said non incision will last permanently only in korea nnon incision will be fine for my droppy eyes. Sigh realyy????? Btw in regen the assistan kind of push me to make deposit. Its hard to get out from there it took me 30 minutes to get out from there. And i have to say i had to get money from bank cos i don't bring any. So total 3 hours in regen (wait doctor 2 hours , 20 min consult with assistant, less than10 min consult with doctor, 30 min they try to ask me for deposit)
4. Banobagi- building is quite big and interior is professional quiete busy.
Here doctor seem little bit arrogant, and speak no english and there are 2 person doing interpretation, 1 person translate from korean to chinese and other from chinese to english. Could you imagine how hard it was. The missunderstanding between me and doctor will be high. Doactor say i need double eyelid and epi is my choice. But the the assistant give me 4 milkrw in price for doing double eye lid epi and elevator muscle. Wah rip off . And this is the hardest to get out. I took me almost 1 hour to get out even tough i said I'm just doing consultation first. They even want to accompany us to the atm.looong Sigh mmm:::/
Finally i made my choice to item as i really comfy with the doctor. Today i do double eyelid and epi. The clinic is quiete small but clean and comfy, first they ask me to change wash face and took picture. Then come the scary part, i was taken to operating room. Disinfect my face and tie my hand and feet . I was scared to hell i even cry ( embarassing moment) the assistant (her name may) had to calm me down. Then the doctor come he drawing the line then put sedative and local. I don't feel anyting during local anasthesia( people said hurt a lot so i asked sedative) the operation took only 1 hour and don't feel any major pain. How ever 2 hours after feels like hell. My eyelid feels like burning and painfull. So i compressed with ice pack.now 8 hour after operation, the burning sensation isa gone only pain little bit some time but hardly to open my eyes. My eyes is sticky. Conclusion: somehow i feel how can i be so brave to do all this. I feel eyelid surgery is really painful even more hurt than caesarean. I can't imagine the other people who done their nose and jaw and other surgery. Beauty is suffering . For me to get nice eyes, i have to pay this suffering. So i hope my eye turn out nicely so what i suffered is paid off.

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hope your eyes turned out well.

 

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sadgirl said: ↑

Hello everyone. I'm a new member here. this is my first post.

I have been reading several forums about revision eyelid since last year.
i had a bad primary eyelid surgery experience in my home country in 2010, which cause my eyes asymetry, left fold is higher than right fold, severe scar, droppy eyes.

i've been reading and hopefully to get some info based from some reviews from the former patients/forum members who were willing to share about their experience, before I fly to Seoul physically.
From what I read online, i found out Dr Kim from BK, most of the reviews in the forum about him are mainly about his bad attitude (arrogant, less attentive), but there are also some good reviews about his work.

For me, i don't mind the attitude of the doctor, as long as i can get a good result from the surgery. So, i put him in my list.

I also found out Dr Cho from Bando eye, Dr Kwon from Teuimp, who were also mentioned by some members from other forums/threads before, I put them in my list too, due to their good reviews.

So, I flew to Seoul in MAy 2011. My first visit was to BK clinic (dr kim), it was my first time in Seoul, but i managed to find BK clinic, thanks to its good location and good subway system in Seoul.
My consultation with Dr kim, very short, less than 5 minutes. He only told me that he can fix my problem, and did not say in details about my problem and what he is planning to do. It's a culture shock, but i thought maybe this is the way korean doctors are.
When I asked how he is gonna remove my old scar, he just told me that he can remove the old scar. His tone and facial expression seemed annoyed, so i did not ask more, even though as a patient, i had the right to know more about what he is planning to do to my eyelids

I must admit that i was lazy to go find out more doctors from other clinics. At that time, i was very tired, just arrived Seoul, and i had limited time for my trip, plus I was not familiar with the location, actually that's my excuse for being lazy !! I should go find out where other clinics, like Bandoeye clinic, Teuimp clinic....

BK charged me to the max , USD 4000 !! Although I felt it was expensive, but I paid, because what I was more concern about is the RESULT, and hoped that Dr Kim can fix my problem.

But, I was WRONG in making this decision. I regret for not having more consultation with other korean doctors when I was there !!

Dr Kim did not fix all my problems, the only thing that he fixed for me was, to remove my excessive fat.

My asymetry problem still there, my right eye is still obviously droppy. What is the purpose of paying so much money for a surgery which my same old problem is still there.
Regarding the scar, now I can still see the old scar (outside of the new incision line) plus a new scar on the new crease.

I was charged to the maximum, but did not get a FULL revision work !

To be fair, his work is only worth USD 2000 for removing the fat and his attempt to fix my other problems , but failed !

Girls, I'm planning for another trip to korea in September, any recommendation (revision eyeild doctors' name) and advices are welcomed ! Thanks !

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@Worries, i plan to do eye revision too. May i see your eye pic, before & after revision, on closed & opened eyes.
After revision, according to you, it looks natural or fake?
Do you have any scar left, after revision?
My email [email protected]

Thank you so much.

 

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Sadeyes said: ↑

Hello all! I am back from Korea and wanted to share my story. I will try to make this as detailed and efficient as possible.

Problem: Too high and deep of a crease. Crease was made at 10mm and platform show of eyelid (at rest and looking straight) was approx 4mm each eye. My eyes were also hollow, outfolded, and no extra skin to revise. One year post op.

Goal: Find a PS to lower the crease, thin out the line, create an in-out fold, as well as conduct the non-skin excision technique. I used to have natural 2mm of eyelid show and my ultimate goal was just to have my old eyes back.

IOU

Dr. Kang is known for the lowering technique without skin excision and fat grafting. He does a great job; however, I felt that his after photos on his website were more of a monolid-look than I’d prefer. Also, a couple of others have reviewed on here that their eyelids are now too low after Kang revised. I realized that Dr. Kang probably prefers a lower look overall, and with that in mind, I met with him. Dr. Kang is very friendly and patient. They said they had an English speaking dermatologist but when I met her (I’m not sure if she was the dermatologist but they said she was), her English was pretty limited. Although she is extremely nice Anyway, I showed a pic of my old eyes to Kang and he recommended to lower to 6mm, ptosis correction of both eyes, and 0.2cc of fat injection to each eyelid. I was surprised he recommended ptosis, and he told me that the initial DES is what gave me ptosis and that I didn’t have it before. Wow. Quoted $5100 but the English Derm lowered it to $5000 for me. Later on that day, they emailed and lowered it to $4700 USD.

BIO

Met with Dr. Cho because he seems to also be well known for eyelid revisions. Showed him my photos and he suggested to excise about 2mm of skin. I asked if he could do the non-fat grafting technique and he didn’t say that he couldn’t but just replied that skin excision should be good for me. I asked him about ptosis. He said I didn’t necessarily need it but he could do it. ??? He quoted me $6000 USD for the procedure and $7100 USD if I wanted ptosis correction. Umm…no thank you. Moving on!

Banobagi – Dr. Lee

Finally English speaking staff!!!! There was a Chinese coordinator and the interpreter; however, they both spoke English pretty well. The meeting with them was the best consult out of the three. I was able to fully explain my concerns and my goals but only to the coordinators. The coordinators told Dr. Lee my case and he recommended to lower my crease to 6mm by fat graft and the non-skin excision procedure. I didn’t even get the chance to tell Dr. Lee that I’d like a 2mm show so I was surprised he recommended new crease cut of 6mm. Quote was $4000 USD.

Decision

Basically, Dr. Lee and Dr. Kang had both recommended the same exact surgery for me. Dr. Cho was no longer an option. Tossed and turned all night and I finally decided on Dr. Kang. Why? Well because with Dr. Kang, I had seen the direct results of his surgeries. At IOU Clinic, all after photos are from Dr. Kang. So I knew what he was and was not capable of, I guess. With Dr. Lee, Banobagi clinic is such a big clinic that I wasn’t sure the after photos (Only saw 1-2 photos) were directly a result of Dr. Lee’s work. Although the communication was great there, the communication was really between myself and the staff, not with Dr. Lee.

Surgery Day

Pretty simple surgery compared to the first. Went in and reviewed what it was I wanted. I actually pushed for 7mm cut instead of 6mm (again because Kang tends to be lower than I’d like). Dr. Kang said that at 7mm, people wouldn’t notice too much. I told him that it okay, I just want the end result to be 2mm of show and in-out. On that table, they gave some type of a hallucinogen during the fat extraction from my stomach then local for my eyes. During the last part of the procedure, I could feel the tugging, fat injections, sewing, and so forth. It hurt but I was able to tolerate it. I have a higher tolerance for gruesome scenes so I didn’t care. At recovery, blood was beginning to cake on my lids and blood kept dripping down like I was crying blood. Overall, I was fine and walking around. I think I even went to Millennium Casino that night. Stitches taken out at day 6 and pain-free!

Conclusion

Yay!!!! I love it!!! I look as close to my old self again as I can possibly get. The crease is noticeably lower, and not deep and thick. It has been two weeks and much of the bruising is gone. The swelling is minimal but still there. Only I notice the swelling. At rest, my lids show about 2.5-3.25mm and I think they will probably still lower somewhat. I no longer have to draw super thick black eyeliner. I have more area between my eyebrows and my eye lids. Even my mom says I look like myself again. Trust me, moms know the details of their baby’s faces very well. I know because I am a mother myself. The only thing is that it seems like I still have an out fold. L But one cannot expect to achieve 100% of what they want. That’s just impossible. People will always look for areas to improve. With that said, I am very pleased with my results so far. Now, I smile when I see a mirror instead avoiding them. I am happy to take pictures again. All thanks to the Big Guy above.

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@Sadeyes, i need revision too. May i see your eye picture, before & after, on closed & opened eyes?
Any scarleft on your eyes when you close your eyes?
My email [email protected].

Thank you.

 

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Jin77 said: ↑

Update:

I arrived at Seoul last Sunday and the next day I had 3 consultation appts. scheduled with Dr. Kang at IOU, Dr. Cho at Bio, and Dr. Kim at BK. Since my Korean was okay and enough to get by, I didn't have an interpreter with me. I was booked at the Dormy Inn residence hotel, which is about 10 minute cab ride for $4 during non-rush hour.

My first appt. was with Dr. Kang and I was so impressed with Dr. Kang that I didn't even want to go to the other 2 doctors for consultations afterwards. Still, I decided to go see Dr. Cho at Bando Eye/Bio, since I was in Korea already and he seems to have a good reputation for eye revisions based on this forum. Well, what a waste of time it was! I found him to be arrogant, unattentive, and the consultation lasted a whole 5 min. or so. I actually knew he wasn't the right doctor for me as soon as I walked in and when he said to me, "So, you are from the States. You want to get your eyes done smaller but why? It should fit right in in the States." One of his female consultants who was standing right next to him seemed kind of embarrassed by his candid statment to me. Although I was quite taken back, I explained that I wanted it to make it smaller regardless because I felt it was too big and then he says to me, "I guess i can do it." At that point, I just knew he wasn't the right doctor for me and when he proceeded to examine my eyes, I lost all interest in this doctor. I left after about 5 minutes and was still surprised by his casual, indifferent attitude towards a decision that meant a lot to me.

Since I really liked Dr. Kang, I decided to cancel my appt. at BK with Dr. Kim after seeing Dr. Cho. Dr. Kang is extremely attentive and very nice, and more importantly he listens to what you want. I've read on previous posts that he tends to make the double eyelids too small, that is untrue based on my experience because he asked me what size I preferred and took the time to measure my eyelids, looked at the pictures that I've saved on my iphone, and listened to me. The consulation lasted well over 30 minutes and I never felt rushed one bit. Whereas at Dr. Cho's, I couldn't wait to get out of his office. Btw, apparently in Korea the trend is to have a small double fold, almost mono-lid, which is what you mainly see on Dr. Kang's website because that's what the girls are getting over there. I've opted for a size of 5.5 mm, which is considered 1 - 1.5 mm higher than what most Koreans opt for these days.
I could tell immediately after my surgery that my crease is a LOT lower than it had previously been, even though I was at the most swollen stage! I had an incisional and ptosis done btw.

Please note that since all the surgery dates/times were booked, Dr. Kang and his staff made special arrangements for me by performing the surgery after hours. They knew that I had to leave Korea in a week 1/2 so they made special accommodations. He has asked me to come for a follow up visit every 2 days, which I have been.

Dr. Kang's price was competitive and much lower than what was quoted to me via email. Based on my observation from visiting the clinics here in Seoul, it's best to get a quote from the doctor face to face because the person who is quoting is just one of the employees so it may be a lot higher than actual.

I am so happy that I found this forum and for the person who started this forum (Sassychic09 - Thank you), and I have only positive things to say about Dr. Kang at IOU based on my experience. Good luck to you all, and I hope you guys can achieve the results that you are looking for as well~

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thank you for sharing this valuable information .

 

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MissOrange said: ↑

Hi Shermaine, how are you healing? Has the facial swelling gone down yet? It was such a wonderful coincidence meeting you at MVP at the same time last month! Hope you love your new face. I love my eyelids. I have lost 15%fat graft from my upper lids in one month so will ask for a free top up when I go back to Korea this fall.

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Hihi MissOrange, nice to hear from you. And glad you love ur eyelids. It already looks really good when I met you at MVP. Dr Seo did a great job.

Yes I can see the swelling on my face and eyes going down slowly. I must say I'm really a slow healer..haha.
Nevertheless, I definitely like my new face and as the swelling goes down, it gets better. My eyes look bigger than before and people do noticed the change. I'm happy with it as of now except that my right eye is swelling more than the left, so the left pupil is displaying slightly less than the right eye. Monitoring and hopefully it will turns out well after the swelling goes off. Currently 5 weeks post ops and looking forward for the swelling to go down to see the final results.

 

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coletmenot said: ↑

I went to Dr. Kang more than six months ago and so far I'm happy with the results. He is more expensive than other clinics though.

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@coletmenot, Hi, i plan to do my eye revision too. My eyelids too deep & high, look so fake. May i see your eye picture, before & after revision, on closed & opened eyes?

Hope you reply to me. Thank you so much. My email [email protected].

 

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snowcup said: ↑

Hi Cherryzz, I've sent you an email. Are you in Korea now? Would love to hear how it's going over there and whether you've selected a surgeon.

It looks like in the other thread you had some questions on fat grafting and the longevity of the fat. Did you ever get a definitive answer? Since the graft is often done when lowering the eyelid to prevent adhesion so I'll probably need it as well.

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@snowcup, how is our eyelids now after fat graph? Is it now lower than before? And is it good doing fat graph?
May i see your eye picture ?
My email [email protected].

Thank you.

 

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Jin77 said: ↑

My consultation experience with Dr. Cho at Bio (previously Bando Eye) was a waste of time. He was arrogant, inconsiderate, and I didn't care if he had a good reputation or not, I would not go through with a revison surgery by someone who doesn't seem to care about a patient's concerns - or at least he wasn't with me.

I highly recommend Dr. Kang at IOU Clinic. It is his own practice so he takes pride in his own work and a patient is not just a number to him. My eyes are starting to look better and better each week since my revision surgery in December

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@Jin77, i need eye revision too. My eyelids are too deep & high.
May i see your eyelids picture, before & after revision?
Please kindly to email me at [email protected].
Hope for your reply.

Thank you so much.