Our angel, Dr Kwon from Teuim/AT

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erichyung said: ↑

but the thing is that revision requires the scar to probably be cut up and resewn, i just dont see how my wide and deep scar can be resewn without warping the shape of my eye Plus the fact that it'll probably take another long period of recovery (I didnt go out for 3 months after my first epi) before it looks relatively normal again.

at this point its either I try more scar treatments or go for a revision and i'm not sure the latter is the best choice. What if it scars again, then im back to square 1, or maybe even worse

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do you regret your des?

 

[snowberry93]

erichyung said: ↑

but the thing is that revision requires the scar to probably be cut up and resewn, i just dont see how my wide and deep scar can be resewn without warping the shape of my eye Plus the fact that it'll probably take another long period of recovery (I didnt go out for 3 months after my first epi) before it looks relatively normal again.

at this point its either I try more scar treatments or go for a revision and i'm not sure the latter is the best choice. What if it scars again, then im back to square 1, or maybe even worse

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Dear @erichyung , revision and reversal is different as far as I know, my friend did reversal, it cut from the lower eyelid and stitch back, put some more skin inside. You could definitely check out epi reversal, my friend is not 100% happy with her reversal, but she got her look back like before!
revision is cutting more skin, reversal is too reverse epi, if I'm not wrong.
Also, for scar I heard dr ahn is good, you could check him out. His website is full of scar improvement, he also did epi reversal.
Consult to more doctor, there should be a fix or someway to make it better!

 

[pauly]

snowberry93 said: ↑

Dear @erichyung , revision and reversal is different as far as I know, my friend did reversal, it cut from the lower eyelid and stitch back, put some more skin inside. You could definitely check out epi reversal, my friend is not 100% happy with her reversal, but she got her look back like before!
revision is cutting more skin, reversal is too reverse epi, if I'm not wrong.
Also, for scar I heard dr ahn is good, you could check him out. His website is full of scar improvement, he also did epi reversal.
Consult to more doctor, there should be a fix or someway to make it better!

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[pauly]

Can I know whic clinic is Dr Anh at? I came across this name in revisions and wondering

 

[snowberry93]

pauly said: ↑

Can I know whic clinic is Dr Anh at? I came across this name in revisions and wondering

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Hi @pauly I forgot the sites, but the doctor name is (prischlla) ahn, I forgot how to write his first name. He is famous for scar, I came across his site and on other threads, some people mention consultation with him also. If you search on korean sites about scar removal, you will definitely find him, his clinic name start with A.

 

[charl00tt33]

http://www.pscliahn.com/
This is Dr Ahn's website

 

[charl00tt33]

By the way, i did double eyelid and epi surgery 4 years ago and my double eyelids are high and unnatural. I also have white scars at the inner corner of my eyes resulted from the epi surgery. Im planning to do double eyelid revision and remove the white scars. However, since i cannot do both procedures together, i'm not sure which one should i do first. Does anybody here can give some advice regarding this? Also, im planning to do double eyelid revision with dr shin at shinseung and remove white scars with dr ahn.

 

[charl00tt33]

erichyung said: ↑

Update on my situation.
A friend who hasnt seen me in a year bumped into me. And when that friend saw my eyes they straight out laughed and said i looked better before (without double eyelids or with double eyelid glue). In addition to this I have extremely bad scars such that the inner corners are completely dented and dented in different shapes making my eyes look deformed close up and i am extremely conscious of them. I have tried many treatments at the dermatologists and spent thousands consulting other doctors trying to fix this problem, but its only getting worse. And No doctor has said it was a decent job. Even my own parents thought it was a botched job without me even mentioning it to them, and cannot bring themselves to say that it looks good, and only say that they have seen worst cases before when they console me. All this is extremely hurtful, considering the sacrifices I made to get this surgery done. I have tried very hard to believe that I actually looked better now only if i could cover up my scars, but it seems that the whole aesthetic of the operation was a failure.

I don't know what happened that day at Teium, maybe Dr. Kwon was having a bad day (there was an angry patient complaining before me), maybe i got a late slot, maybe the stitches were too tight etc. But i knew the minute the stitches were removed, that something bad had happened, as there was a deep indentation that made me look weird. In the following months the indentation got more shallow but very wide and is clearly visible even in filtered pictures.

This whole experience has been a nightmare for me and one that has devastated my life and caused me severe clinical depression. It seems that I've had one of the worst epicanthoplasty cases from Teium in the clinic's recent history. I have googled on how other's epicanthoplasty scars look like and even the worst do not look anything like mine, just a line. Mine looks like a large circular chickenpox scar/gash on one eye corner, and a long triangular surgical indentation on the other eye. In fact, my case is even worse than the before pictures of revision epicanthoplasty on Teium's website.

Right now I am open to suggestions from anyone who has undergone the traditional epicanthoplasty, had scars and successfully removed them somehow. I also fear going for a revision epicanthoplasty because I am deathly afraid that the next incision will cause even more severe scarring, in addition to the cost of going back to Korea. I chose Dr. Kwon before because I trusted him and thought there was some sort of guarantee that if things went wrong, he would fix it without fail. But as all doctors who have studied skin will know, once a scar has formed it can never be erased, and I feel that he is limited in what he can possibly do for me and I might not get to live a normal, undiscriminated life again.

I would be very grateful for any help offered as I am really at the end of my rope and have barely been able to eat or sleep anymore. Thanks.

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Have you thought of going to dr chung from eve plastic surgery or dr ahn?

 

[vichyk]

MissOrange said: ↑

Dear @erichyung, I read your post and totally feel your pain. I was the one in the May 2016 kakao group nagging girls not to go to Teium (I was the 50 yo adjuma trying to talk sense to 19-30 year olds) because of the ketamine hallucinogenic anaesthetic and prolonged sausage like swollen lids from lymphatic trauma postop but half of the girls still paid more to go to Teium and sure enough those that got incisional DES showed me photos of swollen lids wondering how long it would last and I went to cheaper MVP as did another girl. We healed in a few days with minimal swelling and scarring and went shopping. Just tell yourself, it can be fixed. I would vouch 200% for Dr Seo of MVP to reverse your epi.

I was left with huge Frankenstein stitch scars on my chest after my implant burst and told on the day of the op, the surgeon would not put in the new implants I had to buy myself and the mess inside my chest was so bad I should sue the surgeon. I didn't. I was depressed for 3 months with sagging chest skin, empty sacs until I paid for a new surgeon who took over and put in implants and the huge horrid wide scar was excised and revised. In other words, no matter how bad it is now, it will get better! I promise. Many of us have had bad experiences along with the good in our plastic surgery journey and we want to help each other by sharing the bad and the good surgeries.

Your eyes will be improved by a new surgeon. I am sorry you have to repay for eyelid surgery. I am paying £2450 for consultation and surgery to have my bullhorn lip lift done next week in the UK after I spent 2.5 million won in Korea for lip lift that did not last via the vermillion border. I felt stunned when on the day of the op, he told me he would cut into my lip and not do the bullhorn approach! I had paid cash the day before at my consultation for bullhorn! So I know the utter frustration, depression and anger. You end up beating yourself up. Don't. It was NOT your fault but that of the surgeon. In Korea they know it is hard for non Koreans to complain or sue. Let the pain go.

At least you have had the courage to share your honest experience as a warning to others re epi. This is a good thing to do with your hurt. Hopefully your parents will raise the funds to cover epi reversal and scar revision, after all it is skin and skin can easily be cut and re shaped. Keep us informed as to where you book for epi revision (snowberry and I have offered some names of plastic surgeons for eyes) and hopefully within 6 months, you will have beautiful eyes and forget the trauma of a botched job. Look ahead and once you have booked a new surgeon, you know it will be fixed within a certain time frame.

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Hello, Miss Orange, very informative suggestions from you.

I am experiencing some problem with my nose job, after 2 years. Some mild skin bruising like discoloration across nose bridge. However, my skin does not feel stretched, nor is the implant irregular. I have tried to contact many people, but it seems like no one knows anything about what this can be. It would help me a lot if you can share your opinion, if you have heard of similar conditions before.

 

[vichyk]

MissOrange said: ↑

@VichyK have you been applying sunscreen to your new nose? I have seen sun damage causing skin discolouration on noses as a nose with more projection is more likely to get more sun exposure and I have seen a white vitiligo patch on a postoperative nose. If the implant is infected it causes the skin to look angry red and is tender to the touch. Does it hurt when you press on it?

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Thank you MissOrange, it is not angery red, but its is mildly red - purple and dark. I have heard cases where there is infection but no pain tho. I fear this might be skin breakdown, which is weird since neither is my implant crooked, nor is it too big. I have posted a few photos before, but it is far significant than those photo shows, since then I have got a better camera, if you don't mind maybe I can send you via kakao?

 

[pauly]

fayelita said: ↑

I did a lot of talking about the particular sensation I have to suffer every day but I haven't explained as well how I've noticed my eyes have physically changed as the appearance may be a more important aspect for many people.

As the heavy feeling gets worse day by day I notice the skin above my eye is also getting kind of bulgy, which may be adding to the terrible squeezing feeling.

Here are some photos, plus another angle of the undone crease after revision surgery (the eye that went through 3 surgeries with Dr. Kwon).

These are photos I included in the e-mail that I never got a response to.

I was hesitant to include them on here because honestly I was a little insecure (didn't care as much about revealing who I am). Initially the results of the first surgery seemed great but as time went on and swelling went away my lids kept getting progressively lower and bulgy (might even describe them as more frog-like at this point) and they weren't like that even before I ever had surgery. This has pretty much plummeted what little self-esteem I had in the first place and I don't even take selfies anymore and even avoid having pictures taken by friends because I hate seeing how I look now. Luckily the people who care about me don't mind and I've become better at dealing with the increasingly bulgy look but it is something that bothers me especially since I didn't look like this before.

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Photo 1: Right photo: This is what I looked like at least 6 months after my first surgery. At this point I still thought everything looked great as most of the swelling had gone away. You can't tell very well from the angle but the eye on the left was a little lower compared to the right eye but at this point it wasn't that noticeable and didn't even bother me. In a just a few months after the photo was taken, it soon became a real problem though and that's when I began to feel friction when the upper lid became low enough as I described before.

Photo 1 1: Left photo: This was taken 2 months after my 2 revision surgeries this summer at Teuim. The eye on the left was the only one that went through the revision surgeries but you can see that the eye on the right became more bulgier over time compared to earlier in the year in the right photo. I know my brow is slightly raised in the photo to the right (sorry did not have a better comparison photo) but even then my eye was not as bulgy when relaxed. (No I didn't become tanner it's just the lighting haha. I also didn't gain weight, just saying ahead because I feel like someone is bound to suggest that as a theory lol. I do look angrier now without trying though..) Going back to the eye on the left, you can see the bit of rough dark skin that formed where the revision was most brutal. Yes that is an epi scar. It was Dr. Kwon's idea to do an interior epi when it was clear that simply trying to adjust the crease did not relieve me of that awful sensation but instead of being effective it's left me with a deeper scar. Hoping this will go away in time but I notice that it is healing slower than after my initial surgery. If you think my eyes look bulgy in this photo, they look even moreso today.

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Similar timeframes as described above. Eyes relaxed in all except 3rd photo. Top photo is when everything still looked great after initial surgery. Crease still parallel, right eye looks good enough it could've probably even passed as a successful after photo in one of their collages lol. Middle top photo, you can see the left crease becoming pretty low at a fast rate, right is still okay. At this point I began to feel the pressing sensation in my left eye. I requested the revision around this time. Middle bottom photo, squinting a little but you can tell how far the left crease has become covered. Weight against eye getting worse. Bottom photo is my two months after my left eye was revised this summer, just to show that my right eye continues to get lower despite it being more than a year since initial surgery in summer 2015 even though I insisted this to Teuim at my revision consultation in Summer 2016 they did not want to believe me then but can't even respond to me now when I show concrete proof.

Tip: Many times if you have a concern post-surgery and e-mail them they will dismiss your concerns as temporary and often they may even be right. For example I noticed my eyes did not close all the way after my first surgery and I e-mailed them since it concerned me and was told that it was a "temporary manifestation." Eventually my eyes did end up closing fully again but it is very easy for them to just say "don't worry it will get better in time" for something like that. With this current problem though, my eyes have felt like this for most of the year and I am extremely upset that they've decided to be quiet about it. Know that you may get the same response for a common problem if you e-mail them post-surgery and they may be right, but if you have a gut feeling that it isn't something usual follow your instinct and keep persisting but understand that they may even keep dismissing it until the end which is very easy for them to do if you return home to somewhere far from Seoul. Also be ready for the possibility of having to get a revision or seeking surgery somewhere else.

You can see that the descent began from the inner corner. As my upper lid became heavier and lower my lashes started to cover my pupil more. It's strenuous to look at something straight in front of me but even more so when I have to look up. Literally like pushing against weights just to try to see something above me, so I often end up staring lower or avoid long eye contact with people taller than me. Today my lid and crease are even lower than shown here and I would not be surprised if the skin above the crease ends up spilling over my lashes in the next year. I predict my left eye will continue to droop despite the failed revision. I feel that the side view above is better at illustrating the weight that I feel though.

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Crease on left eye becoming undone already <1 month after 2 revision surgeries. Front angle of photo I included two posts ago.

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Bonus photo: Okay this photo is pretty unsexy lol but just to show how bad my left eye looked when I came back home after the repeated 2-surgeries-in-2-weeks-due-to-misunderstanding. There was even small parts with blood still coming out even days after I returned, you can see where it is most red. Of course it looks much better now but the epi scar is even more resilient and deeper now that I've operated on that eye three times. I knew from my first surgery that my eye would eventually close again so I didn't bother e-mailing. Getting dry eye is a real concern though especially if you are getting a revision. Rough patch of skin that I described earlier is very clear here. I forgot to mention that since I had that unexpected 2nd revision surgery soon after the 1st revision surgery, I only had like one day to wash my hair thoroughly then had to go back to another week of no showers... Tip: Bring dry shampoo if you plan to go through with this surgery unless you want to wake up in the middle of the night with an itching scalp.

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Another bonus photo: Wow I really just don't care anymore at this point about showing weird photos. Sorry if it's too much! Hopefully it is helpful for some of you. Squinting my right eye here to show how much excess skin has covered and created kind of a 'pocket' and bulgy effect. Notice how my eyelid skin is all accumulating above where the initial crease that Dr. Kwon made is. Think of this photo as an extension to the first photo since it was taken around that time.

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Sorry if I was redundant in some areas! Didn't expect this to be another long post but I think I've covered mostly everything I've wanted to say with these past few posts and I hope my experience was helpful for anyone reading. I think I'm pretty qualified to speak about my opinion since I have had surgery here three times but again this is only my experience. At least you know if something does go wrong under Dr. Kwon's hands, he'll eventually deny responsibility and stop replying to your e-mail once you provide pictures with solid evidence.

May be a long shot but if anyone knows a great ophthalmologist/eye doctor in the US who has experience with this kind of thing, please PM me.

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Hello... can I ask if you are feeling better with your eye now? Or have u found a good doc to solve ur problem? I had eyelid surgery 3 months ago. Now , my left eye is feeling heavy. It looks ok , but I'm afraid it will worsen

 

[renerene]

erichyung said: ↑

Update on my situation.
A friend who hasnt seen me in a year bumped into me. And when that friend saw my eyes they straight out laughed and said i looked better before (without double eyelids or with double eyelid glue). In addition to this I have extremely bad scars such that the inner corners are completely dented and dented in different shapes making my eyes look deformed close up and i am extremely conscious of them. I have tried many treatments at the dermatologists and spent thousands consulting other doctors trying to fix this problem, but its only getting worse. And No doctor has said it was a decent job. Even my own parents thought it was a botched job without me even mentioning it to them, and cannot bring themselves to say that it looks good, and only say that they have seen worst cases before when they console me. All this is extremely hurtful, considering the sacrifices I made to get this surgery done. I have tried very hard to believe that I actually looked better now only if i could cover up my scars, but it seems that the whole aesthetic of the operation was a failure.

I don't know what happened that day at Teium, maybe Dr. Kwon was having a bad day (there was an angry patient complaining before me), maybe i got a late slot, maybe the stitches were too tight etc. But i knew the minute the stitches were removed, that something bad had happened, as there was a deep indentation that made me look weird. In the following months the indentation got more shallow but very wide and is clearly visible even in filtered pictures.

This whole experience has been a nightmare for me and one that has devastated my life and caused me severe clinical depression. It seems that I've had one of the worst epicanthoplasty cases from Teium in the clinic's recent history. I have googled on how other's epicanthoplasty scars look like and even the worst do not look anything like mine, just a line. Mine looks like a large circular chickenpox scar/gash on one eye corner, and a long triangular surgical indentation on the other eye. In fact, my case is even worse than the before pictures of revision epicanthoplasty on Teium's website.

Right now I am open to suggestions from anyone who has undergone the traditional epicanthoplasty, had scars and successfully removed them somehow. I also fear going for a revision epicanthoplasty because I am deathly afraid that the next incision will cause even more severe scarring, in addition to the cost of going back to Korea. I chose Dr. Kwon before because I trusted him and thought there was some sort of guarantee that if things went wrong, he would fix it without fail. But as all doctors who have studied skin will know, once a scar has formed it can never be erased, and I feel that he is limited in what he can possibly do for me and I might not get to live a normal, undiscriminated life again.

I would be very grateful for any help offered as I am really at the end of my rope and have barely been able to eat or sleep anymore. Thanks.

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Hi Ericyung, have you heard of epi reversal? I did my epi reversal with Dr Chung. Its been 4 years. He managed to removed my scar and reshape my over corrected epi that i had on my previous epicanthoplasty.

 

[erichyung]

ReneRene said: ↑

Hi Ericyung, have you heard of epi reversal? I did my epi reversal with Dr Chung. Its been 4 years. He managed to removed my scar and reshape my over corrected epi that i had on my previous epicanthoplasty.

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was your scarring indented? mine is

 

[erichyung]

has anyone done a revision epicanthoplasty with Dr.Kwon ? I want to do it but I am afraid it will just get worse, seeing as it went horribly wrong the first time round and he wants to make more cuts...

 

[pokii]

I was really keen on consulting with teuim for eyelid surgery at first but I'm not sure about it now...

I know epicanthoplasty is a very difficult procedure and its one I don't need but I still feel like the complaints here are too much and I'm so sorry to those of you who were butchered by doctors, if a Dr advertises himself as capable of doing a certain procedure regardless of how difficult it is he should be able to do it, of course mistakes can happen but from this thread it seems there are too many and no real solutions have been given. I can only hope that any of you suffering from this can find some resolution