ladybugz

I had a good rhinoplasty experience with wonjin. Def. can't say the same for eyes.

 

Nope, just too much fat, I guess. The crease started looking more and more shallow and then there was no crease at all. I have a chubby face even though my body is pretty average.

 

Well, a lot of people can't do that if they have too much fat in their eyes. I lost my crease even with incisional!

Scarring can be prevented by using tiny, tight stitching. My primary surgery scarred badly with thick, hypertrophic scars because my American doctor looped the stitches around like he was hemming a piece of clothing. I used everything he told me to: Vaseline, scar cream, ointments, etc. Didn't do a thing.

I'm not super-happy with my revisional surgery either (long story... I've posted in other threads) but the one thing the doctor did right was to do ridiculously tight stitching to prevent scars. She not only removed my old scars but prevented new ones for forming. I did use scar cream for a few months but then stopped when I realized I wasn't going to scar.

 

Wow, I had no idea jaw surgery was that dangerous. I have no desire for it, but I've known some people who have done that. Crazy!

 

Agreed. L-shaped implants extrude nearly 100% of the time (ok, I'm exaggerating, but it's some absurdly high number).

 

I found it really hard to get around in Korea without a translator, so I booked a hotel right near the subway station and found a few store clerks who were fluent enough in English to point me to the right direction. It def. saves a lot of money over translators (many of whom have commissions).

 

Do not go to Wonjin Clinic for eyelid surgery under any circumstances. They are good with noses and jaw surgery (or so I'm told), but my god are they horrible with eyes.

 

I read the thread on BK and was so upset by their lack of responsibility. Most clinics at least have the decency to refund your money if they botch your surgery.

As someone who has taken on some pretty big/tough organizations in the past, I'd suggest the following strategies:

1) Threaten to go public, and if they don't refund your money, follow through. Complain to your local newspapers as well as to major newspapers like USA Today, CNN, NYTimes, etc. Give interviews to every news channel you can find.

2) Take on social media yourself. Youtube, blogging, Twitter -- start a social media campaign against them. BUT, make sure you have evidence and are willing to show your pics (they can sue *you* for libel/slander if you don't have proof of your surgery + pics of the outcome). Start threads (don't just post a post -- that will get lost in the thousands) about your bad experience and follow it up with evidence (i.e. pictures).

3) Spam them with professional (NON-HARASSING! again, *you* don't want to get in trouble) letters and emails on a regular basis. One summer, I signed up for an online college class that cost $900. I dropped the class on the first day of classes because I was told specifically by the business department that I'd get a 100% refund, but then it turned out that policy did not apply to online classes. They threatened legal action/to send me to the collectors. I took them on, writing very firm letters to drop the charges every single week. I told them I'd report them to the Attorney General, and I also threatened to go to the press and sent them a sample news story that I'd pitch (i.e. "Struggling College Student Forced to Pay for Classes She Did Not Take.") They gave in after a couple of months and dropped the charge.

Basically, by making life very, very difficult for their business, you can fight back in ways that the legal system may not be able to effect. *Disclaimer: be prepared to use evidence. I myself am not a big believer in the whole "blacklisted" thing -- I like to see proof before making a decision.

 

Wow. This is such a disgusting injustice. I hope you are able to get your money back someday.

In the meantime, you should post as many reviews of your experience as possible online, including both American and Asian websites and boards. Email your local newspapers as well as national ones to pitch your story. Sometimes social media is the best way to get justice in this day and age.

 

Thanks -- I mean, I think it's decent and I am pretty satisfied, but I was sort of hoping for a major difference like this poster who did rib at VIP:

# I don't know if that kind of result can be done via a silicone implant. Still, no regrets -- I had no $$ for rib anyway, I would NOT want to go under general anesthesia, and I know I'd scar horribly under the open rhinoplasty method.

I think a lot of people who PMed me were looking for a very, very tall height (one cited angelababy, other cited K-pop stars). So, I just wanted to post this to give them a more realistic idea of what an implant of 4.5-5mm would look like after the swelling goes down.

 

A lot of people have asked me what a 4.5-5mm silicone implant looks like. I was hesitant to post my pics on here, but I've decided to do this because I do think it is important that people know what to expect and don't have unrealistic expectations (I have severely cropped the pics for privacy reasons). If you already have a high bridge, then yes, maybe a 4.5-5 mm silicone can give you a ton of height. If you're coming from a totally flat bridge, this is probably the best you're gonna get. My bridge WAS very high the first few months (probably from the swelling), and I was so thrilled, but sadly, this is all that's left after six months:

http://tinypic.com/r/1zlfalw/8

http://tinypic.com/r/34t90ux/8

http://tinypic.com/r/35jmdub/8

I had a silicone implant through closed rhinoplasty and tip extension (with ear cartilage and Alloderm). No osteotomy or bone work (too invasive for my taste).

 

K Couture,

I think it depends on your type of skin. I personally know a doctor on the East Coast who is amazing with cartilage grafting; he has done a lot of work with people I know and they look amazing with absolutely no side effects. He does it all through closed, too. The only reason this was not an option for me was because of the thickness of my skin -- it would give me absolutely no effect (in fact, I have a huge silicone implant, and it's still a tiny bit more subtle than I'd like).

There is a poster on this board who had rib through VIP, and she looks amazing too, in my opinion -- 6 mm of a height increase with no asymmetry, etc.

I have also had friends who used silicone whose skin were so thin (one used regular, the other used the ultra-soft) and their implants extruded. Likewise, I have family members who used silicone and didn't have problems for decades because they had thick skin like me AND the implant was placed properly.

I don't know anyone who has used Goretex, but I've heard of really bad inflammation/infections.

I think it really depends on the person's anatomy and tolerance and history of infections.

 

Probably. This poster Schroedinger had lovely results with rib; you may want to PM her:

# She's the only person I've seen on this board so far that went from totally flat to extremely high.

 

Full, and yes, by injection. They purposely revive you because they want you to open and shut your eyes to check for symmetry. So, there's no getting around it.

 

Honestly? Yes. They knocked me out in the beginning (where I had a nightmare that I was dying), revived me in the middle (just for the most painful part... wtf?) and then knocked me out again for the nose job (which was painless b/c I was fully asleep with no dreams or nightmares).

I hated the process, especially compared to my primary eyelid surgery in America (where it was all local anesthesia, no sedation, and completely painless... I recovered in 5-7 days vs. the 2-3 months after Korea).

However, to their credit, I scarred horribly after my American surgery and did not scar at all after my Korean surgery. So maybe their more painful technique helped somehow. Their technique of tiny stitches (vs. my American doctor's big, loopy ones) seemed to make a difference, too.

 

I don't know -- I think they felt it shifted?

My nose looks nothing like those two people that you referenced. AngelBaby pretty much has a white person's nose, per my google search.

http://static.hothdwallpaper.net/5199ee58292d678854.jpg

5mm absolutely does NOT result in that unless you already have a high bridge.

 

I thought your surgery date was in June?

 

Yeah don't get me wrong; I look 10x better than BEFORE surgery, but it's not like 4.5-5mm is going to get someone from completely flat and wide to like, Blake Lively's nose. My skin def. does compress on it, but I think the main culprit is the overall skin thickness. I am overall still satisfied with my nose job; I just don't want to mislead anyone into thinking 4.5-5mm gets someone from flat to high (unless they have thinner skin).

Yes, that's what happened to not one but two of my friends, though theirs didn't look THAT scary. They barely extruded and they immediately went to the doctor's to get it out before there were major skin damage.

P.S. Try to get it done through closed if possible. My friend (who is Jewish, not Asian) got an open rhinoplasty and the scar still looks terrible to this day. There is a zig-zagged scar across her columella (?) that is visible every time she looks up.

 

Um, it turned out OK. I did not scar at all, which is a major issue with eyelid surgery, and the doctor didn't botch it by any means. However, I still wouldn't go to them for eyelid surgery.

 

Thanks, K Couture!

This is terrible, though -- just when I swear off plastic surgery, I'm being introduced to the wonderful world of non-surgical procedures! :-/ I was so impressed by all the lasers for different skin conditions (I have horrible skin), Lipodissolve (which, I agree w/ you -- seems to work really well on double-chins and small areas of fat... not so well on large areas), and injectables. I better not become a Botox addict when I'm older...

 

Milktoki,

The poster Chloe is NOT Chloe Y., the former marketing manager (who no longer even works for Wonjin). Google her if you don't believe me -- that Chloe left in late 2013 for another clinic. More than one person can be named Chloe... I can vouch for this poster, as we'd talked a lot before going to Wonjin.

I did not have a good experience with my eyelid surgeon at Wonjin either, but I still don't think you can say the clinic as a whole sucks... The rhinoplasty surgeon was wonderful. I do think they have quality control issues due to how large it is, but it's just such a mixed bag with so many surgeons. I do think their method of consulting with a salesperson and then a doctor is very poor, though. I paid for ptosis correction and did not get it.

BTW, if you think your consultant is bad (btw, it is against the forum rules to write out their full names, so I edited my post), I had an older consultant who was 10x worse. She was very snarky and basically intimidated me into doing my eyes even though I was thinking about backing out. When I told her I was fine with my eyes, she snickered and said, "Then why do you wear so much makeup?"

To the person who already paid a deposit: If you don't feel comfortable, LEAVE. Forget the $$. Do not get bullied into anything. It's your health and your face we're talking about. Trust your instincts.

 

I can see why everyone's so discouraged/frustrated with the dishonesty. I went to post a review about my (American) doctor who did my Lipodissolve today, and out of curiosity, I clicked on her other reviews. Well, guess what, the "patient" who gave 5 stars WAS AN EMPLOYEE. I recognized her right off the bat. I am so disappointed. I was genuinely impressed with the service at this plastic surgery clinic, but now I'm not sure I want to post before/afters for them.

 

As someone who went to Wonjin last fall, I can say that it's a really mixed bag. They have so many doctors that you really can't say it's "good" or "bad." A lot of people get eyelid surgery there and turn out great. I wasn't such a fan of my eye doctor -- she did an OK job (no scars, thank God!), but did not listen to me at all and ignored my instructions. My rhinoplasty surgeon was great (I think he did as good as anyone could given the challenges I had -- namely, a flat and wide nose with exceptionally thick skin). It's just a very mixed bag. I don't even know the name of my rhinoplasty surgeon. Aftercare was literally non-existent.

 

Update: I got the soy-based Lipodissolve this week. I decided I don't want any more surgical procedures for a long time. It was $200 and I had it under my chin.

The pain and agony I've read from internet reviews seems to be greatly exaggerated. It was about as painful as Day 1 of eyelid surgery recovery, and only for the couple of hours immediately following injection. I went right back to work after the injection, actually. By Hour 4, it just felt ginger to touch, and by the 7th hour, it didn't really hurt at all. I didn't swell significantly the first day. When I woke up the next morning, I was super-swollen, but then I drank some water and it went down within half an hour. It's too soon to report on the results of it yet, but I can safely say that the pain associated with this is NOT that bad. I did have an itchy reaction for about half an hour due to all the B12 in the formula (I always react to B12 vitamins with itchiness), but that went away as well.

 

I actually would consider rib or cartilage grafting (done by a good doctor, of course!) if your skin is that thin. I've has some friends of mine who are naturally skinny with thin, delicate skin experience extrusion with silicone implants (even with I-shaped implants!). It also looks awful if your skin is so thin that you can see the shape underneath.

I had a silicone implant, but I have the opposite issue: my skin is so thick that even with a 4.5-5 mm silicone (which is prob the max any reputable doctor will use), my nose still looks a little flatter than the average person's now that the swelling is gone!

QUOTE=TJ_joy;26534644]I dont have any health problem, and naver have any surgery before.[/QUOTE]