ladybugz

Wow, K Couture, Dr. Lee was the one who did that??? I am shocked. One of my friends has gotten a lot of work done by him over the years and swears he is the greatest.

I agree with you, though -- if you look at his patients, their nose jobs were way better back when he used silicone.

 

I haven't gotten lipo yet -- K Couture was the one who got lipo. I would still prefer to go the non-surgical route, given how rough of a recovery I had from my eyelid surgery & nose job last fall. I am really having high hopes for ATX-101 given the studies I've read, but it's not available yet.

I may get SlimLipo because of its alleged tightening effect if I do resort to getting surgery again.

(Yes, I realize I could just work out and diet, etc., but my double chin always looks like crap regardless of whether I'm thin or slighly overweight -- I just naturally have the face of a 200 pounder). It's genetics -- my parents are in great shape but both have hideous double-chins, too.

 

I agree with shinyglittery -- not because I've seen actual results and didn't like them, but because when I emailed the contact person (don't wanna name names...) who many posters suggested from this forum, she was very dishonest and quoted me like 4x as much as every other clinic (and much more than other people here stated). Several people asked me if I misread her email. I did not. She specifically outlined each part of the rhinoplasty and added it up. She tried to charge me like $2000 USD PER PART of the rhinoplasty (2K for alarplasty, 2K for blunt tip correction, 2K for bridge work, 2K for width reduction!). I was like ummm I do not think a non-rib nose job costs 8K in Korea...

 

Wow, thanks for all your info! So you did not use Acculift on your face? Which lipo did you use on your face instead?

I am leaning towards SlimLipo because of its tightening effects. I would prefer non-invasive, but I've heard so many bad things about Lipoddisolve. A lot of posters claimed that it caused them GI dysfunction years alter due to the chemicals. ATX-101 is supposed to get approved this year, but I'm not sure if it's going to be significantly different from Lipodissolve.

 

Oh, boo. Have you heard about ATX-101 that is coming out supposedly this year? I have high hopes for it... It's supposed to be a "safer," FDA lipo-dissolve.

I may have to resort to SLIMLipo, though I am terrified of going through any sort of "surgery" again. Do you have any experience with liposuction? Would you recommend laser vs. traditional?

 

Susan, this board has really gone to h*** and I completely agree with you. Despite having posted here for the last YEAR or so, I just got accused as well for "promoting" a hospital that I 1) did not even go to, and 2) actively warned another poster against going! The accuser apparently did not read my post carefully and thought I was trying to do business for the Grand clinic (when I had recommended *against* further surgeries or spending any more money).

I agree with you about this -- I keep reading "this clinic was blacklisted" and "that clinic was blacklisted." Um, where is this exact list and what does it mean to be blacklisted? I'm about to get off the forum myself... Very annoying.

 

I am trying to get rid of my double-chin. I would like to avoid liposuction because I had a very rough recovery in 2013 and have pretty much sworn off plastic surgery (at least, until I'm in my 50s and need a facelift or something).

Does Coolsculpting actually work? What about Lipodissolve? From what I've seen, there are better, more significant results with Lipodissolve, but I have also read horror stories. Anyone have actual experience with either?

 

WTF??? I am not from your clinic (or any clinic); I actually suggested you NOT get any surgery/pay any more money before researching your options, if you read my post! In fact, I believe I warned people against going to Grand Clinic after seeing OnlyIf's posts.

I was simply telling you my experience -- I had very fat and heavy eyelids before any plastic surgery, so I never noticed any asymmetry. After my first surgery, I scarred badly AND the asymmetry was horribly obvious. I went to another clinic -- NOT YOURS -- to get ptosis correction and the doctor refused. She revised my scar (which she admittedly did a good job of), but my eyes still appeared asymmetrical after surgery because she did not do ptosis correction (and I was very angry as a result -- I even posted here complaining about this). However, a few months ago I noticed that when I bite down on my left side (and I have severe TMJ and grinding issues, so this makes sense), my eyes look completely symmetrical. Thus, for ME, it was a facial/TMJ issue. I never said that it had to be TMJ for you (though there is *clear* asymmetry in your jaw area and overall face -- that is why I suggested you may have the same issues as myself), just that you should research more/possibly get more opinions. Yes, the doctor COULD have done ptosis correction for me and she COULD have made my right eye larger, but what would happen if I ever got my teeth/jaw fixed and could bite down evenly? Then I'd have a larger right eye and smaller left eye. The doctor pointed that out to me, and even though I didn't want to hear it at the time, I'm starting to see her point now.

I am going to a local orthodontist now to fix my bite, but I certainly am not recommending him or identifying his name, for fear of advertising accusations. I do strongly believe this could be fixed by any competent ortho.








ladybugz u sure sound like someone from the clinic -- if you are please learn and look at the work of these cases:

http://www.neweyelids.com/photogallery.html

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all of these people started out with asymmetry it is the job of a plastic surgeon to correct or at least minimize the asymmetry -- and if he is incompetent in doing so -- at least have the professional ethics not to operate so not to ruin people's life.

My eyes were in no way as asymmetrical as it is now so my surgeon made it worst. The original translator did a terrible job at conveying what I wanted to the surgeon but i drew what I wanted and what I DID NOT want to the surgeon -- I didn't sing it to him but I didnt think I needed to but apparently he needed it -- cos everything I had asked him NOT to do he did -- they are both idiots.

I have had good doctors who are perfectly capable of maintaining or enhancing symmetry -- that is the basic fundamental requirement of a plastic surgeon -- they are not button pushers -- they MUST have some sense of aesthetics -- i didnt feel comfortable with this doctor at the time and the original translator insisted that I had him because she said he was a really good doctor - that was a bunch of BS -- she even got mad at me for not wanting to go with that doctor -- Now I am really mad at her and I wish the worst for her for ruining my face and my life. I was good looking -- now I look tired and have weird eyes my work hours got cut and people at work joke about me on drugs cos I look tired. I am less attractive now than before and that's NOT what I want from $6000 USD worth of plastic surgery

From my experience when I came out of surgery, I knew right away what is swelling asymmetry and what is the surgeon's mistakes and I have been pretty spot on -- I had a bad incompetent surgeon at GRAND PLASTIC SURGERY and his mistakes have already been verified by other expert surgeons so if you are a person from the clinic -- take note -- also and there is also a thread from an other person saying that GRAND PLASTIC SURGERY had been blacklisted in Korea -- I hope they don't stay in business cos they are just ruining peoples lives and finances.

 

I so agree with this thread. You lose ALL negotiating power (as well as the power to walk away, unless you have tons of money) when you deposit. Many clinics tried to get me to do that; I just told them I hadn't made up my mind yet. They'll live.

 

OnlyIf,

I read your post a long time ago. I do not think you should get a silicone implant, even though I myself had one (and it's been fine on me so far, knock on wood). Here's why: this is your revision surgery, right? You sound like you are wary and looking to be done with plastic surgery. Don't take your chances -- silicone can extrude, become infected, lean to one side, etc. at any time. You've had so many terrible things happen to you already.

I actually had revision eyelid surgery the same time I did my nose. I didn't DARE have epicanthoplasty, lateral whatever, etc. even though I'm sure it would have made me a lot prettier because I did NOT want to go in for a third round under any circumstances. Actually, my clinic didn't do a good job on my eyes (the doctor refused to fix the ptosis on my right eye), but overall everything looks ok -- no scarring -- and I'm still not going in for a third.

Don't be one of those people who are in an out of clinics their whole lives. Good luck!

 

No, she corrected neither. My left eye was fine as it was -- it did not have ptosis. Only my right eye did.

 

I picked A. Interesting, because I have been sort of an overachieving-type perfectionist most of my life. It's only in the last year or so that I've "taught" myself to not be obsessive about perfection.

I did have revision surgery, but not really by choice. My original surgery left thick scars AND the creases disappeared in less than a year. My revision doctor was very stubborn, did not listen to my concerns, and chose not fix my ptosis on my right eye, so I fear that I may have to do that in my 30s at some point. Not really looking forward to it... If I can hold out until my 40s, I will!

 

ShinyGlittery,

I don't think the quality of the clinics have a strong correlation with the size or marketing. All surgery carries an inherent risk. The more surgeries you have, the more risk you take on. The more severe the surgeries are (i.e. jaw), the more risk you take on. There is no clinic that is without risk.

When I was in Korea, I saw a LOT of "before/afters" who turned out to be employees of their clinics. They did not look as good in real life as they did in pictures. I saw this at Wonjin. I saw this at View. I saw this at BK. I saw this at Item. I saw this at some random small clinics. Big, small, international marketing, local marketing -- it was all the same. And the thing is, I finally understand why: no one (short of a celebrity, maybe) is THAT beautiful in real life, regardless of how much work they have done.

I can tell you that if you were to take my before/after and look at them, you'd think my clinic did the most amazing job ever. But the thing is, in real life, I don't look any prettier than the average, decently-attractive girl at my workplace. Even scarier, I've seen some really beautiful pictures on this forum only to google the poster and see scary-looking candids on Facebook (like that fake poster promoting her clinic a few months ago). You don't wanna go by pictures.

I've read that "perfect is the enemy of good." I strongly agree with this. If you go into ANY surgery thinking you'll come out of it drop-dead-gorgeous, chances are, you're going to be really upset afterwards. Plastic surgery is a great tool for improvement, but I just don't think perfection is attained that easily.

 

Hydrolysis,

I wanted to respond right away before you go for another surgery. You are a very attractive woman, but if you look at your face on the video, you have some significant asymmetry on your face (particularly in the jaw area). Your jaw and lips reflect this the most, but your nose gives it away a little as well. Do you have TMJ/bite issues? (I do, so I can almost always spot that in others). My teeth don't meet correctly, so I can only bite down on one side of my mouth or the other, causing an appearance of asymmetry where one side of my face looks scrunched up (with a "smaller" eye) and the other relaxed (with a larger-looking eye).

I believe this is what led to the increased appearance of asymmetry on your eyes. I know from experience that it is extremely hard for doctors to address this issue because of how asymmetrical your face is, not your eyes. When I got my eyes revised a few months ago, I was angry to see that the surgeon did not seem to fix the "asymmetry" on my eyes (that I thought my primary surgeon had "caused") -- my right eye was always smaller-looking than the left. However, I recently popped my jaw (those with TMJ knows what this means) and am now biting my on the left side of my face. It has shifted my face significantly. My eyes look even when my teeth "meet," and if I bite on the left side of my mouth (vs. the right, like I normally do), the opposite look occurs (the right eye, in that case, looks larger).

So, it may be something you want to investigate instead of rushing to more surgery.

 

A lot of people don't like them on this forum because they are known for their natural results, but I actually really like their work. Their before/afters are pretty and not weird-looking (unlike a lot of other clinics, IMO).

I was seriously considering them when I went to Korea but ultimately did not get it done with them. Their prices are average/reasonable.

 

What clinic did you go to, and how did this surgery clinic mess up your eyes exactly?

I'm not super-thrilled with my eyes either (my very stubborn doctor did not care about what I wanted at all and refused to fix the ptosis on my right eye, and the procedure was a nightmare), but I am still fairly impressed with the lack of scarring I've endured this time around (I had revision eyelid surgery). When I had my eyes done in the United States, I scarred so badly (though the procedure was much more painless, quick, and easy). I don't know, I kind of wish I had not gotten double eyelid surgery at all and just had non-cosmetic ptosis correction.

 

The Little Baby Face Foundation (the organization from the newspaper article)? Their app is here: http://www.littlebabyface.org/index.php/apply/

I think they require the person (who has to be under 18) to have something beyond a minor cosmetic flaw (i.e. in the video, they did not select the guy who simply wanted a more angular chin, but they did select the girl with the huge nose who got bullied all the time, etc.).

If you're asking about my project? I haven't decided what I'm going to use as my own criteria yet.

 

Hi all,

I researched this forum in-depth when I was looking to get a nose job & revision eyelid surgery, and I found many posts and posters to be extremely helpful. Although my surgeries didn't go perfectly (as some of you already know, I was not very pleased with my eye doctor), I am still really grateful for the work they did on my nose. It's seriously life-changing and I no longer feel paranoid or insecure about my looks.

I am now thinking about doing a project to pay it forward. I read this article today (and watched all 6 of their videos), and I was very moved by its content: http://www.today.com/health/girl-big-nose-bullied-teens-seek-free-plastic-surgery-nyc-2D11851011

I'm not rich at all, but I have decided to start a savings fund to sponsor an underprivileged person to fix something that really, really bothers him/her. I hope to sponsor someone in December of 2014. My question is: do you think the project should be used for an American doctor, or a Korean doctor? There were so many things I disliked about my Korea experience (poor clinical practices at the hospital, non-existent after-care, long plane ride, language barrier, etc.); however, I also know that Korean doctors are AMAZING at transforming features that American doctors normally consider "hopeless."

What do you all think?

 

It depends on what you want done. A simple silicone implant for a primary rhinoplasty may be under $3000. A revision will cost you $4000 minimum. Tip work, osteotomy, etc. will cost you extra. Rib rhinoplasty is the most expensive.

P.S. I wouldn't just go to the cheapest one quoted via email, either. The clinics will all try to jack up their prices once you go in person and they end up all around the same price, with the exception of super-expensive ones like VIP.

 

You are clearly a paid marketer, but for those who are genuinely looking for information: please don't believe this poster. There is no such thing as the "best clinic in Seoul." They are all different with different styles. Some are worse than others, but please do your research and be very careful.

 

VIP is great if you want to use rib cartilage -- a poster named Schroedinger has written about it and she looks great, in my opinion. However, they are very expensive.

I went to Wonjin. They are moderately priced and I liked their work, but their post-op care is terrible. I've also heard the service is unreliable, because you could get a great 20 year veteran doctor or a newbie depending on your luck. Getting Dr. Park Wonjin (the famous owner of the clinic) requires a 20% surplus cost. They use mostly silicone. I asked for a very aggressive change and one that would suit the geographical-cultural norms that I live in, and they definitely delivered.

I've heard Jewelry is very good for dramatic results. I actually haven't seen any pictures of this, but that's what I've read on this forum repeatedly. I have no idea about the cost.

Item has a reasonable price range and I like their work on the website, but some posters here have complained about them being too subtle. If you go there, I would emphasize you want a major change (if that's what you want). They also use silicone.

Do not go to Grand. They are cheap, but a poster here named "onlyif" has written in depth about his experience there along with photographic evidence of the poor work they performed. Search the forums for it.

I have heard bad reviews about BK too, as well as deceptive marketing practices, but I haven't seen photographic evidence. Ditto for ID hospital.

I have emailed a blogger who wrote about her experience at JW -- I really liked the work they did on her nose. It is very subtle/natural-looking, but I think she looks so pretty. You can PM me for the link to her blog if you want.

 

Agreed, shinyglittery. So sick of fake posts on this forum...

 

That's definitely the most "difficult" type of nose, because it's obviously very easy to just stick an implant in to raise the bridge in case of flat nose. Wide noses are more difficult because you will have to get alar base reduction in addition to probably aggressive tiplasty/cartilage contouring.

If you research the forums, you can get a general consensus on which clinics are know for their more aggressive work.

 

Yes! I think this is so important and so often overlooked on these boards. I'm a female, but I think something people need to really understand is what culture they live in vs. what aesthetic cultural norms the Korean surgeons can realistically conform to.

I went to a clinic where I thought they did a "great" job. However, I have actually warned many people on this board against going that my particular clinic, because I know that their standard of beauty is simply so different from mine (I am Asian-American, born & raised in an all-white area). So many people on this board prefer the K-pop look, and I would feel awful if they went to the clinic I went to and wondered, "Why is my nose still wider than those pop stars? Why is it so tall and thick? This is all Ladybugz's fault." That wouldn't be fair to them.

So, for those people, I would tell them to go to Jewelry and other clinics known for the K-pop look.

On the other hand, even the most westernized clinics in Korea don't seem to understand the American standard of beauty re: eyes. My eyes, while much less bulgy/bug-like than the K-pop look, are still not natural-looking at all. People at my workplace openly stare at me. It's so embarrassing, and my clinic isn't even known for dramatic eye results. I feel like I probably shouldn't have gotten double eyelid surgery to begin with and should have just had ptosis correction/fat removal :-/ Furthermore, I can no longer do the smokey-eyed look with makeup (it just doesn't look right with double eyelids), which I really liked before embarking on the eyelid surgery journey.

So, really think hard about what you expect to look like from surgery and whether you will be able to fit into your cultural environment.

 

As an American who went there, let me warn you all that some clinics will try to jack up their prices in person (some of them by over 50%!). Be very firm and tell them you only brought as much as they quoted, and shop around so that you get lower quotes.