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Good points @Chinnie. Ghost doctors ie switching doctors (you think you are getting the attending but you get the resident and it happens in the nhs too here or you get a different surgeon from the one you met at consultation) is a big problem in a busy big clinic or hospital but then a hospital is likely to have resuscitation equipment vs a small clinic with 1-3 doctors but less chance of a ghost doctor. I remember thinking pay attention to who is in the theatre before falling asleep and see which doctor visits you in recovery. I was so paranoid about doctor swapping. I thought who is that male doctor hanging around in theatre as I lay on the operating table at daprs. I was told later that it was the anaesthetist but then I thought why did he just stand there as a female was injecting my iv as I fell asleep and still worried if the surgeon had been swapped as he was not Dr Kim and I got a monster face when I awoke. I asked to see the cctv to see if Kim had entered but DA clinic refused saying it was against the law to record in theatre so I said what about the corridor cctv to see if Kim entered the theatre. After a delay they said no can't do this. Dr Kim then said no doctor switch and blamed me for my heavy bruising and swelling saying I had poor veins. I was sent home with no bandages for my thighs and only a prescription in korean. At least I survived the GA which was overkill just for fg.

 

The deceased patient was a young man in his 20s. Apparently the clinic was found to be innocent as the patient had an undiagnosed heart condition. I have been waiting to hear an official statement from the clinic but nothing has been forthcoming and it seems like business as usual. I have never heard in UK news of a patient dying in the UK from plastic surgery but we do hear of complications like a postop stroke. In the US we do hear of patient deaths like the late Joan Rivers who went to a clinic for an elective procedure and died intraop.

I think in the UK plastic surgeons tend to operate in private hospitals and have anaesthetist consultants/attendings with a 1:1 ratio. Occasionally you get surgeons using the basement of their clinics for operations under twilight sedation with a consultant anaesthetist present and administering the drugs, but I am unaware of any patient deaths. Plastic surgery clinics and hospitals here are regulated and inspected by the CQC so should be equipped with an AED etc. Here in the Uk it would hit the news fast if a patient died while undergoing plastic surgery and malpractice pay outs are now emulating USA.

I think the risk in Korea is if you do not have a 1:1 ratio of surgeon to anaesthetist attending, lack of aed defibrillator on site, an hour for a korean ambulance to reach a clinic, and have a pre-existing or undiagnosed heart condition or go into hypovolemic shock from massive blood loss from prolonged and extensive surgery like whole body liposuction. Therefore try not to book multiple procedures in one operation and if you have never had a general anaesthetic perhaps wiser to have your first GA in a hospital that can resuscitate and intubate you and has an intensive care unit.

 

Add Regen. You can see their real fg patients on realself.

 

I would only recommend Dr Hong for rhino at gng. No one else there. He did an excellent revision silicone rhino on a friend from LA who had a 15 yo silicone implant in her nose that needed replacing.

Uvom is blacklisted for faking reviews.

2 girls posted of eye infections on tpf at Cinderella in 2016 so I cancelled my revision des there in 2016 in a panic and fought to get my deposit back. Plus they are very expensive for foreigners.

 

This is a summary of all the potential complications of facial bone surgery on another site. Makes one think again. https://cosmeticjourney.com/forum/topic/28614-mandibular-jaw-angle-reduction-problemscomplications-with-face-bone-reduction/

 

I think researching sagging is vital to stop one from an impulsive decision. Clinics never show their bad results. I found this patient with sagging on another site and cropped out any identifying features. She had v line in korea and then a facelift and midface lift to try to correct the sagging but sagging may also involve the deep tissues and muscles cut during bone contouring. This suggests that zygoma or v line may require both fat grafting to fill empty spaces and a mid and/or lower facelift to fix the sagging. The first photo shows sagging especially in her chin after v line. The middle photo shows sagging in her cheeks too (note the deep nasolabial folds too) and the bottom photo is after a facelift and midface lift to try to correct both. She never tried fat grafting. The costs of all these surgeries must mount up especially as she had the facelifts in America to correct the sagging from surgery in Korea?!

 

Wow keep posting @touni27! I have become a fan of reading your informative posts! How uplifting to change our mindset and embrace our big A cheekbones.

 

Thank you @touni27 for compiling all this detailed research into sagging from cheekbone surgery and how to fix. Fascinating read and the more I read the less inclined I am to do zygoma reduction which is a good thing.

 

That seems like what ladies have to be prepared to do and pay for if they consider zygoma reduction or dramatic v line; the cost then doubles to pay for 2 major procedures not to mention recovery times and how they cope with looking at a sagging face between the 2 operations.

 

Thanks @touni27 that poor lady in Los Angeles. She had v line surgery with sagging then facelift but that lifted skin and soft tissues up to her cheeks which made her cheeks appear bigger. It is why I hesitate with any lift as my cheekbones are already big and do not wish to draw attention to them. One surgeon's reply is she find an artistic surgeon. Thank goodness I found Dr Seo who in my opinion is an artistic surgeon and based on instagram photos Dr Hong from Fresh seems one too.

 

Oh no @Fortunecat that is what I have allergan textured cohesive teardrop implants under my muscle inserted in 2012 and am in year 6! Just self examined. No lumps yet. Ugh ticking time bomb again. I too would not get new implants but instead ask for a breast lift and fat grafting perhaps but it will be a huge change in downsizing for me. Found her blog. http://www.jacquelinekoh.com/2016/02/plastic-surgery-singapore.html?m=0

Oh no she had a goretex chin implant that got infected and a hairline tear in her breast implant but then says both ruptured. Ugh not good news for allergan natrelles then which I have. I also had an infected goretex premaxilla implant at 6 years. Goretex is bad! Ok found the article https://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/fashion/breast-implants-rupture-chin-implant-infected

 

Hi @doublesdoubles,

I would not recommend gortex premaxilla implants. I had them twice in the uk, the second one a bigger one as it seemed to get smaller over time or maybe it was my maxilla bone. It got infected after 6 years with pus pouring into my mouth. I had it removed and relied on radiesse dermal fillers in the nasolabial folds but this blocks a natural smile with teeth show.

What tfd said is interesting as I noticed I still have a lot of filler on the right and yet the nasolabial fold is deeper! The left side filler is almost all gone and my smile looks nice and natural on this side. I think the bullhorn lip lift has filled up my sunken premaxilla space so I may not need nasolabial fillers after all. I am going to be brave and stop fillers to my nasolabial folds. This by theory should make the prominent nasolabial crease on the right disappear after it dissolves.

 

@Fortunecat that is exactly what happened to me. I got lipo to my tummy and inner thighs in the uk x 2 and then 4 fgs in korea with inner thigh lipo donor sites, so yep fat now expands in my upper arms, love handles and upper back when I gain weight. It feels like fat cells just want to expand somewhere on your body as the cells were sucked out of the tummy and thighs. If I have lipo to my batwings and love handles, I wonder if fat cells in my bottom would expand..natural BBL? lol. Uhoh I feel a temptation to go back to korea and try lipo. In the UK I paid £4000 for 2 areas a decade ago. I wonder how much it costs in Korea?

I remember meeting a girl in Korea in 2016 who got whole body lipo! Amazing results and price at Ruby clinic but she paid for a translator as the clinic did not have a translator.

 

I found it! Here is the brave real patient who had sagging post v line surgery 2017 at tlps and posted it on another site.

My UK surgeon put stitches in my chin to pull up and hold my skin post shaving the chin bone. I notice when I blow out my cheeks the skin tethers where he sutured the underlying tissue and muscle and looks like a chin dimple. I think that is why we often see patients getting both v line and fat grafting at the same time or v line and then smas lift elsewhere. Separating the tissues off bone and removing part of the bone may indeed leave an empty space in the skin and lead to sagging! A similar effect is seen with breast augmentation and downsizing which may lead to sagging and rippling of the skin under the breast implant.

 

Wow @touni27 that is an amazing photo result find! Does it say where she went for lipo with threadlift?

 

Thanks @touni27! Really enjoyed reading your detailed post and photos to show different types of sagging. After my chin shaving and multiple fgs, I no longer have a sharp v bone contour but rather a softer side profile with slight sagging. I try to look at it positively and say it makes me look younger like I have a bit of baby fat around my jawline as the only other option is a threadlift for £1400 which would only last 6-12 months. I did see photos on another site of a very saggy lower face on a real patient post fc at tlps. I shall try to find the photos.