bonniec Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 In the USA it's public record, but outside of the USA, I have no idea. Personally, I would stick with a U.S.-trained, Board-Certified Plastic Surgeon +/- affiliation with a university. Good local, national reputation, references. There were some Dateline NBC shows highlighting plastic surgery disasters overseas. Chances are, things will be fine, but it's just like playing Russian Roulette. Take your chances. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jas3n Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 but not tonight..tired..long posts are a killer to do..and right now its almost 3am..take care everyone PS...having had a consultation at clinic 9, im less than impressed with the nose Docs grasp of english (6/10) so that particular place unfortuanetly is no longer a candidate. more on this later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chloehandbags Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 As poppincourt mentioned, some people in this thread are very new members (or were when the thread was created) and they only ever post in this thread, rather than participating in the rest of the forum. That has given this thread a slightly 'spammy' feel, IMHO. Very true. You're right, that is an assumption and that is wrong, especially if people are actually trying to look like people from another part of their own country. Although, I still question the wisdom of trying to look more like someone from another part of the world, whether it's within your country, or not. Yes, but the writers do have more reason to believe that that may be the case, as, for the last few decades, for some odd reason, companies in Asia (particularly Japan) have routinely used Western models to promote their products within their own country. Rather than using Asian models. So, it's understandable that doctors worry that young Asian people (particularly Japanese people) may have been, subconsciously, affected by this. American and European companies don't tend to use many Asian models to promote products within their own country, yet. But if they ever do and there is a subsequent trend amongst young Caucasians to change their looks in ways that just happen to make them look less Caucasian and more Asian, I'm sure doctors will definitely worry that it might be as a result of this advertising. That's a fair point. I haven't experienced these issues first hand, as you and he have. That's a very good point - China is a huge country, with a huge population, I know. Incidentally, do you happen to know why, historically, people in China think that the people in one region look prettier than those in another? Once again, where did I say that Asians have smaller eyes? I know that many Asians have very large eyes. Most (unaltered) Asians I have seen, both IRL and in films and on TV, have (often very beautiful, IMO) almond shaped eyes and they can often be a very large, wide almond. Not every Caucasian has a big nose, you know! Mine's medium sized, but I have a Caucasian friend with a very tiny nose. Much tinier than most Asians. I do understand that you mean a typical Caucasian nose, though. I do see where you are coming from, keropijennifer. However, I've seen some Japanese girls that have obviously had plastic surgery and who dye their hair blonde and they still look very pretty, but they look far less Japanese than any other, unaltered, Japanese person that I have ever seen. So, if not from Western advertising, where are these girls getting their inspiration from, I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chloehandbags Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I agree that it's better to post on a forum than to hand out your email address, but how do you know that everyone here is, genuinely, someone looking for a plastic surgeon and not a dodgy plastic surgeon touting for business? You also make a good point about it not being wise to put your trust in people you've never met IRL (and barely even talked to online). Please be careful, everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chloehandbags Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Thanks, cola! ITA with your comment about generic and geographical noses, BTW. Also, there tends to be the 1970s nose, the 1980s nose etc.! LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joolluver Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Wow...this is the first time I've ever read this post. My aunt had her eyes done like fifteen years ago and to this day I can still see the scars on her eyes. My grandma had her nose done in the seventies in CHINA, she was one of the first. I can't really tell the difference, but now that she's in her early seventies her nose still causes her pain in her face. I don't think the doctors really knew what they were doing back then. My mom had her eyes lifted a couple of years back in China and it looks ok but not great. It took a long time to heal though. Ya'll are brave. I could never get anything done because I'm so scared of knives and needles. I wouldn't mind having bigger boobs but the fact that I have to be cut apart and sewn together again is a bit of a turn off. Also the fact that I would need to replace them every ten years or so is also a hinderance. I agree with Chloehandbags and cola that there are really popular plastic suregeons that many people go to and their patients end up looking the same. I know this guy and he's dating a girl that looks just like his cousin cause they both had their faces done in Korea. They look good but very generic. I like being unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgirl99 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Hey girls! Meowgirl, Hope your korea surgeon search is going well. I'm still hunting around in the US, but it's tough when you don't know anyone who's done it b4! Keroppi--Do I remember a post about open vs closed surgery? Can't remember, too lazy to look, but the person I talked to in the US, Dr. Lee, does open when there is tip or nostril narrowing work. But that really famous surgeon, Dr. Raj Kanodia, who did Ashlee Simpson and (supposedly recently) Jennifer Aniston, says on his web site that his procedures are closed. (No mention of open) ALTHOUGH, I didn't see anything on his site about Asian noses--ie. adding implants, etc--and most of the before and afters didn't do much tip work, mostly bridge. I've done a little more research on Dr. Lee in Beverly Hills. The office ppl and the Dr seem really nice--I've been talking over the phone and sent some photos of myself. The total cost of my surgery will probably be around $5000 (for bridge and tip implant taken from ear cartilage), but they let you stay for free at an apartment, so that cuts down costs a bit. If Korean doctors are charging $4000, then perhaps paying more for US is worth it, unless Korean doctors do Asian noses better anyway (?) Okies, the saga continues.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keropijennifer Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Hey Cloehandbags! It's good that everything seems to be clear now. U asked: "Incidentally, do you happen to know why, historically, people in China think that the people in one region look prettier than those in another?" hmmmm Im afraid I dont really know the answer, but I guess because in the ancient times, ppl didnt migrate as much as they do today, and so ppl fm each region looked more closely alike and stereotypes on how ppl generally looked came about, and if one city happens to have more ppl who hve generally have bigger eyes, then if u feel big eyes are pretty, then you may well say that you wana look more like ppl fm that region. Like today, with the sterotypes like Shanghainese are relatively whiter, and the Shangdong ppl are relatively taller than the rest. I always get ppl assuming I'm shanghainese wen in fact I cantonese! Sometimes, I even get like japanese ppl speaking japanese to me cause they think I'm fm Japan! lol About ur friend with the small nose, that is v surprising, but like always, there are always an exception. As for the japanese companies using Western models to promote their products within their own country and Japanese girls that have had plastic surgery and who dye their hair blonde and they still look very pretty, but they look far less Japanese than any other, unaltered, Japanese person that U have ever seen...That could be true but I cant say much on that cause I'm not japanese and I wdnt like to make any assumptions. But however they feel, the belief will differ in the chinese population, just like how the french have different views with the english in fashion/food etc, so ppl shdnt assume (not targeting at anyone here!) that wen something is like this for the koreans for example, its ultimately gona be the same for the japanese and chinese, etc.. Hey Wgirl99, I think I'm most likely gona have the nose done in Korea, cause since I only want a slight change/augmentation, I feel koreans surgeons may hve more experience in doing that procedure as uve probably read fm Jas3n's messages, they do soo many nose augmentations daily! Altho I know american doctors also have a lot of experience, they've done less nose AUGMENTation (cause they mostly do nose reductions) than the koreans. I'm just curious on knowing the number of S. koreans actually having had nose jobs cause most clients are fm the country! 6 ppl at the clinic is alot!!!!! These surgeons must earn a fortune!!!! So ladies, if u wana marry a rich guy, u know where to look! heehee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jas3n Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 hmm..it looks like theres lots of discussion about racial reasons for ppl wanting to get their noses done and things like that . im pretty much gonna steer away from all that except for saying: im just gonna get my nose done because i dont like it, havent ever really liked it, and i dont think it fits my face. i'll concede that maybe part of why i want to get it done is because iv been brought up in a western culture with western ideals of beauty but honestly i dont care. so..right now im going to talk about dreamclinic: the first time i went there was last monday, basically finding it because i stumbled across the clinic when the lift opened on the wrong floor lol!. Unlike the other clinics id been to the place appeared just average at first. The layout was its worst trait. it seemed like bad feng shui. there was some bad flourescent lighting, the entrance was a narrow passageway blocked on one side by a blank white wall, leading to a feeling that 'space' was lacking. though as the ceilings were probably twice as high as that of dr jungs it looked nowhere near as cluttered as that place. overall, the scheme was a bit spartan though clean and modern. When i think back on it, the appearance was like that of a GPs medical centre rather than a plastic surgery clinic (GP = general practitioner -the name us aussies call a normal unspecialised doctor). it was also quite busy like some medical centres can be. about 15 people or more were waiting in the waiting room alone (at around 6pm). the 3 receptionists were all busy too, and i felt they were also rather unwelcoming, as they let us wait at the front desk for a minute or two without any acknowlegement of us at all. they also spoke minimal english (3/10). so far first impressions of the place werent all that great. but the clinic must've been doing something right to have so many patients. that day i had an initial meeting with an english speaking 'counselor' of the clinic. her name was Sun Kyoung Kim and her role was to basically screen patients first so patients could discuss what they wanted to get done, if it was possible or not and so they could refer me to the right specialist. i presume this meeting was also so i didnt waste the surgeons time later on. i was referred to Dr Park, who you can see on this page:µå¸²¼ºÇü¿Ü°ú on wednesday i went in for my consultation. wait time was about 10mins and UNLIKE other clinics, this consultation would cost W5000 (about the price of a pricier coffee...coffee aint cheap here thats for sure)..fair enough if he did a good job Dr Park according to the website was extremely well qualified, and as he assured me in perfectly good english (9/10 or better!!!!) he had done lots of noses -its his speciality it seems (he does 4-5 a day, and has done abt 10000 of them)! Now, this guy was probably the best surgeon i'd come across in terms of qualifications: med degree and board certified from Seoul national university hospital which i belive is the highest ranked uni here the hospital he is affiliated with -seoul hospital is great hes done quite a bit of teaching: clinical prof at Seoul National University Hospital among others he also has certifications from very good cosmetic surgery associations in korea, japan and the US!! I saw these certificates myself and photos are in my phone. (Does anyone know how i can extract them to my comp???) the clinic: Dream Medical Group is affiliated with Samsung Medical Center apparently. Given that samsung is one of the biggest conglomerates here, i think the medical facilities/services must be highly rated. Samsung wouldnt lend their sponsorship to a second rate clinic for PR-reasons. Like all clinics & Doctors, Dr Park and dreamclinic do however have their faults which ill talk about later...on with my consultation first though. Basically, the consultation started off similar to the others: 'so what would you like done to your nose?' i said the usual: narrow, heighten adn define alar; straighten septum, reduce dorsum, columella his solutions if i can remember correclty: 'umbrella' procedure to heighten, narrow alar (its hard to explain), osteotomy, reducing septum cartilage.. reduction of nostril width (alar base resection?) would be via open rhino if i chose to do it (thats currently the most effective method if your nose is wide). altogether ~1.5hrs. We went through discussion of recovery and options as well with pretty much the same answers as other places -1mth b4 swelling generally subsided etc etc. basically, the essential thing that set him apart was his eloquence in english, his less selling of his services/results and him taking the time to explain what the techniques would mean -e.g. incisions where, stiches where etc, potential scarring. thats what i liked. him talking about the negatives where others wouldnt. whereas the other surgeons id seen before had all said the open method would leave a basically unnoticeable scar, but this guy was making no such promises. unfortunately this meant he was a bit deadpan and serious at times, not as much of a smiling character as Dr Jung or the guy i saw at Clinic 9. However, when the consultation ended, i had an excellent overall impression of the doctor that was marred by only one or two things: -he didnt use before and after photos. during the visit he claimed he didnt have any on his computer and they were on the counselors computer. but when i saw the counselor she claimed she could not show me any. Im not sure why, misunderstanding doesnt come into it as im certain she understood what i was after b/c i repeated myself 3x...maybe she simply just couldnt be bothered :s -the busyness of the clinic could be a bad thing. halfway through my consultation a receptionist came into the room and gave the doc the next patients file. he also does taxing surgery all the time. if the doctors are overworked, this increases chances of risks/errors for the patient. BTW surgery here would cost me 4 million won all inclusive. with a 10% discount possible b/c my mum would be doing a skin treatment upstairs. We didnt try to bargain or anything, but it seems 10% off seems a normal discount. Dreamclinic gets a 8.5/10 from me. Hopefully i said everything relevant there. if theres any questions, PM me or put it on the forum. 'If Korean doctors are charging $4000, then perhaps paying more for US is worth it, unless Korean doctors do Asian noses better anyway (?)' Wgirl99 your comment reflects what im thinking too atm. In australia, we have a couple of excellent doctors that range from AUD $5000 to $8000 max possibly. theres one who ill try to see in particular: a 'dr bryan mendelson' who is well known here because he does celebrities (aussie mainly) and [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]is President of the International Society of Aesthetic Plastic Surgery. Im not sure if its the case in the US, but i believe a portion of the hospital fees, anaesthetist etc can be recouped via PRIVATE health insurance which most aussies have (by law sorta). I have seen a website claiming this can reduce the total fee to aruond AUD $3500 (depedning on the initial amount) this is about [/FONT]US $2,700. essentially i'd have to do the procedure back home then.. anyways You guys should see if your health insurance covers any part of the fees, hospital or otherwise. the higher the cover the better (but more expensive too). seoul seems more expensive than i thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keropijennifer Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Hey Jas3n, So did u get to see any clients from Dream clinic who had just had their nose's done? It does sound like this surgeon is well qualified, but since everyone's idea of perfection is quite different, how do u know if he can give u the nose u want if there r no b4 and after pics? I mean, he cd make all the nose look generic like Dr Jung's one, and they may look perfect but too generic, and I wdnt want that. Do u feel that fm what u already knw about Dream clinic, that u r confident in getting ur nose done there? thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keropijennifer Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Oh Jas3n, (sorry to be loading u with questions, but I'd rather much find out now, then wen I get to Korea : D) which do they use most?: silicon or goretex? Do u know if they use ear graft cartilage for the tip? And is the closed method poplular in their clinic? If u dont know, I can email them and hopefully they will get back to me soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ts_eileeng Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 I also plan to go to Korea to get my nose job done. We can go together. I'd like to keep in touch w/ u. What's your email address? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am_cake Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 0_o people don't think I'm real.. waaahh T_T lol jokes, I found this forum on google.ca searching "nose surgery for asians", it came up along the bottom of the results on the first page. Actually, it showed a sample portion of shw-fusion's first post. haha Oh well, I've been busy with poli sci readings but the monotony of it all was just..eck till i remembered. Anyways, geez, bonniec that post was creepy; about the fancypants doc. Ahh, i think i wanna wait till next summer when my chinese has improved before delving into a country and experiencing something out of some wacked Turistas movie.. =/ Thank you for the enlightenment about some plastic surgeons out there. Much appreciated ^_~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonniec Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Between the two, I would go with this guy over Dr. Jung. The fact that he didn't show before and after pictures don't bother me too much (he may be protecting patients' confidentiality), and you didn't feel like he was selling himself to you. Also, he discussed complications without sugarcoating it. This is an honest things to do, not all doctors do it. It doesn't mean that it will happen, probably won't happen. But you have to know the risks... Whenever I do circumcisions on babies, I always tell parent, "Just like with Lasik, how you can lose your eye, albeit the risk small, there can be complications with your son... never seen one, never had one, but you never know..." I don't understand why is there such a distrust of U.S. doctors doing Asian noses? I think that if you bring pictures to them, they'll do what you want and make you look great. You just have to be on the same page, but I'm sure they would do a great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagangel Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Oh God guys I have seen such horror stories about plastic surgery on TV, please choose surgeon/clinic carefully. Personally i would not put myself in hospital if I didnt have to, I am a coward when it comes to hospitals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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