ChubbyBun

3.5 year post update can't believe it's been so long. I still think about revision rhino sometimes, but it doesn't affect my quality of life, just my vanity lol. I also think about facelift because I have lower face sagging due to age and loss of mass from masseter Botox and accusculpt. however, I'm not in a rush to do these things and am still waiting to find the right doctor.

Well gang, it's been one year since my operations so this'll be my last update on this thread. A summary: very satisfied with eyes from Dr. Chang of Wannabe, they were exactly what I asked for. The scar from DES is just a thin light line and I have no issues whatsoever threadlift was okay for a month or two but didn't last. save your money for a facelift, unless you're just looking for a temporary lift for a wedding or special occasion acculift along jawline did slim my jaw a bit, but my issue is not fat, it's just sagging due to age. i'm 30 this year :') pretty satisfied with fat graft. I feel that the right amount of fat was retained on my forehead and temples undereye fat repositioning also looks good. i never have hollows under my eyes no matter how tired I actually am not satisfied with nose from Dr. Jin of Premium Nose Clinic. the tip is still bulbous, and it actually healed slightly crooked. this might've been my fault for getting hit, but the result is the result. i feel that i have too much nostril showing, and it feels like the tip dropped too much and/or there's supratip fullness. i don't know what the exact issue is, but i'm not pleased with it. Overall, I'm very pleased with my experience and results with Wannabe. I would probably go back there if I felt that they would be able to do a good job with revision rhino, but I don't feel that's their specialty. I'll be looking into revision rhino, not necessarily in South Korea, but I may just also learn to live with it. My photos this time around were super low effort with my cell phone front camera and I'm tired, but this is pretty much what I look like Hope this helps someone make the right decision, and I'm still on KKT to answer questions (KKT: Chubbybun).

Hi @strawberrytea! Sorry for the late reply Speaking personally for my results-- I honestly don't see much of a result from the Accusculpt/threadlift combo, and I'm not really sure it was worth it. during the first month, my face was very swollen and I wore a compression band for >6 hours a day, longer if I could tolerate it. I felt like I looked like a pumpkin during this time by the second month, the swelling went down but I had limited range of motion in my face, specifically from the threads. I would feel a sharp painful tugging sensation when I smiled or opened my mouth wide. I couldn't even laugh without it hurting! However, my lower face did look slimmer during this time. by the third or fourth month, I felt like the threadlift wore off. I had my range of motion back, but I noticed my jowls/jawline reverting back to what it previously was (rounder, lower), although with slightly less volume (since the Accusculpt removed some fat). I don't feel I can recommend this combination of procedures because the results were VERY temporary for me. It's possible that getting more threads (I had 8 Mint threads, 4 on each side) or your personal physiology might produce longer lasting results.

Forums are a good starting points (even purseforum), but you just have to be wary of which posts are legit and which are from promoters. Usually, in-depth posts with detailed descriptions of consultations at multiple clinics, along with a fair (not excessively praising) evaluation of the poster's clinic of choice, are what I look for as "legit" posts. For me, the most helpful thing that I did while researching clinics was to reach out to people who had personally gone to my clinics of interest over KKT, and ask for their experiences. Try your best to get on Kakao , there are so many resources available through those chat groups. Be prepared to read them almost constantly for months, and reach out to people who've personally gone to the clinics that you think would be a good fit for you. The Kakao chat groups favor smaller clinics and a more independent approach, but there is always the "flavor of the month" and cycles of popularity for various clinics. It's a bit more quiet nowadays due to the Covid19 lockdown/quarantines, but there is still alot of good info (as well as some bad info) floating around. Here's my KKT. If you message me, I'll try to add you to the 2020 Rhinoplasty group if you're not in it already https://open.kakao.com/o/sCHi1WSb

I agree with smilingmonkey! Consult with alot of clinics and see what they suggest, and compare to each other. When I did this, I asked questions like "what procedures do you recommend for me to achieve _____?" rather than asking for specific procedures. One thing to keep in mind is that they may have different suggestions when you consult in person compared to online. Pictures can only show so much, and you should have the in-person consultation with the doctor who will be performing the surgery (rather than just the consultant). The doctor should have the best idea of what procedure will work to achieve the result you ask for. My personal opinion is that it's more important to have a skilled, experienced, and ethical doctor who understands the result you're going for, rather than for you to have an exact idea of what procedure you want ahead of time.

another B&a from more recently. still not keen on the selfie game. front view nose seems to be refining but not much change in the last month. I think I've lost some of the effects from threadlift. if I did another procedure in a couple of years, it might be some sort of face lift for the lower half of my face. wondering if I should keep up with the massater botox or not SORRY GUYS, I'VE FAILED AT LABELING, THE MIDDLE ROW IS ACTUALLY 1 MONTH POST but it's not letting me replace the file ahahaha T_T

thank you! Yes, if I had bundled everything with Wannabe, they would have done everything on one day. Rhinoplasty still as the last procedure though

yeah definitely, I only check KKT every few days so my response might be delayed, but I'll do my best to get back to any questions https://open.kakao.com/o/sCHi1WSb

hey Bruh! thanks for your update and keeping us informed on your healing progress! I can barely see the slant that you mentioned (I wonder if it's due to slightly more internal swelling on one side than the other?), and your eyes are looking gorgeous isn't it crazy how fast time seemed to pass in the last few months? every week seemed like an eternity to me in the period immediately following having PS, and now it seems to flow together alot more. I'm glad to hear that you are giving it time to settle!

thank you! funnily enough, I gained weight after the surgeries. feel free to message me on KKT with any specific questions and I'll try to get back to you. going alone was not too bad for the procedures that I had done. I think if I had something very invasive like double jaw or any type of bone shaving, I would want someone to be with me during recovery. but the most invasive procedure I had was rhinoplasty, and it was manageable to get around on my own. I definitely stocked up on food and drinks before the surgeries, though. Before getting rhino, I had planned out meals and bought enough food for 5 days post-op, but I ended up being well enough after 3 days to go out and eat at a restaurant I did ask the clinics to help me get taxis back to my airbnb after the surgeries since my Korean speaking ability is exactly 0. Otherwise, I got around using the metro!

wow, your consultations and posts have been SO thorough, thanks for sharing!

https://open.kakao.com/o/sCHi1WSb

thanks for the feedback, everyone, it's appreciated I went alone and I was physically fine during the recovery, but the mental and emotional side was a bit tough. I was in contact with my good friends basically all day, and that made a huge difference. I think if you feel like you have a good remote support system, you should be alright. Dr. Jin's fees are quite high-- i think he is quite busy and it'll be hard to negotiate. if you can bring all cash, you may have some leverage as I think he prefers cash payment. feel free to reach out to me via KKT or discord if you have more questions about fees

Also, here's a quick B&A for those who don't feel like looking at 5000 pictures my "before" pictures are probably not the most flattering pics of me, but that's okay... I'm currently 5 weeks post-op for nose, and 6 weeks post-op for everything else. I went into this journey with the idea that I wanted to look more like my younger self, but with some improvements so far, my friends and colleagues have told me that I still look like me, but... a little different. lots of them had a hard time identifying what I had done, or whether I had anything done at all Overall, I'm pretty happy with how things have turned out so far: I'm very pleased with my eyes and undereye area. Jaw area still feels a bit swollen, but it's definitely slimmer than before. Right now my smile is slightly asymmetrical though Nose is my biggest insecurity right now. It's been the slowest to deswell, and Dr. Jin told me that it will probably take a long time since I have thick skin. Since I had autologous rib cartilage implant, that will take longer to heal than an alloplastic or even donor cartilage implant. I wish my nose were smaller, but I know it'll take more time before it gets to its "final" appearance Rib cartilage harvest site was pretty painful for the first two weeks, but is basically unnoticeable now. I started running and doing calisthenics and yoga again this week, which have felt great

Hey guys, I've been pretty busy with work and have been kinda unmotivated to write much lol. But I blogged everything as it was happening and have been taking update photos. Everything can be found here: https://sites.google.com/view/chubbybunps/photos Happy to answer any questions that you may have

Hi all, I had a bunch of procedures done in late February and early March of 2020, and will be writing about it in this thread! Some of you might've followed my journey through KKT, Discord, or my blog, but I thought I'd post it here too for accessibility. Procedures done at Wannabe: EYES: incisional double eyelid surgery, ptosis correction, medial epicanthoplasty FAT GRAFT: forehead, temples, frontal cheek, chin UNDEREYE: fat repositioning JOWLS/JAW LINE: Accusculpt, threadlift (8 Mint threads), masseter muscle botox Dr. Jin Premium Nose Clinic: rhinoplasty with dorsum augmentation and tip projection using autologous rib cartilage Even though all of my surgeries were primaries, I knew that I wanted rib cartilage for my nose because of the long-term complication rate with alloplastic implants and donor cartilage, which made it seem inevitable that I'd need a revision surgery within a decade. I ended up picking Dr. Jin of Premium Nose Clinic without ever having an in-person consultation due to his experience with using autologous rib cartilage, natural aesthetic, and hearing positive things by word-of-mouth. For the other procedures, my short list was the following: JK Topface Namu Wannabe CWCMC (eye specialist only) I had scheduled Wannabe, Namu, and CWCMC for the first day, and then JK and Topface for the second day. Here are how the consultations went: WANNABE Alice is basically the most personable English speaking consultant ever- incredibly responsive and friendly. We'd corresponded over Kakao for about a month or so before I traveled to Seoul. The clinic was pretty easy to find and it was quiet when I arrived- one other client in the waiting room when I arrived, with 5 staff members at the front desk. I filled out some paperwork and they checked my passport to ensure that I hadn't visited China recently. I met with Alice for about 20 minutes and we continued our discussion now that I was actually in front of her. She assessed the thickness of my eyelid skin since I was interested in DES and medial epicanthoplasty- and she noted that I needed ptosis correction, which wasn't obvious from the pictures that I'd sent her. She also assessed the tissue around my jaw by touching my jaw and asking me to clench my teeth, since I'm pursuing non-invasive jaw contouring, and noted that it was a combination of muscle and fat that contributed to my square jaw, and suggested botox with Acculift and threadlifting. We then talked about my fat grafting aspirations- I'd already wanted fat grafting for my forehead and nasolabial lines, and she suggested that since I was already doing two areas, which counted as "full face" fat grafting, to also graft my frontal cheek area since that was sunken. After we had decided on the procedures, I met with Dr. Chang (also spelled as Jang), who agreed with the suggested procedures, and also suggested chin and undereye fat repositioning (I later learned that this was a specialty of his, and apparently he had invented a specialized needle for this procedure). Dr. Chang used that eye pokey tool to simulate folds for my eye- I wanted a slightly higher crease that would balance out the medial epicanthoplasty Overall, good experience with the clinic staff, Dr. Chang spoke English and was easy to talk to, seemed attentive and knowledgeable. Quoted prices were on the higher end, and I ended up with ALOT of procedures: incision DES, ptosis correction, medial epicanthoplasty, botox, accusculpt for jaw, threadlift (8 mint threads), undereye fat repositioning, full face fat injection and tear trough fat injection NAMU I'd been corresponding with Claire and she was very helpful but not always responsive- I get the impression that she's very busy. She seemed to forget that I was scheduled to consult today until I asked to confirm in the morning, and I think they had to squeeze me in even though the appointment had been made a month ago. The clinic was very busy with locals, and I spent about 10 minutes waiting before seeing Linda, the English speaking consultant. THEY DIDN'T CHECK MY PASSPORT and even though I'm American, I'm ethnically Chinese and definitely look it, so they don't seem to be taking Coronavirus precautions... Linda and I had a brief consultation and honestly I don't think anything interesting or important was said except that she suggested laser lifting instead of acculift, but also with threadlifting. I was to consult with Dr. Kirk, but he was in surgery, and I spent about an hour in the office twiddling my thumbs and taking photos of their B&A book. I also had the chance to observe the clinic hallway a bit, and it seemed pretty chaotic and frantic, which is a totally subjective opinion, but Eventually Dr. Kirk arrived and I think he just agreed with everything that I said, and I left feeling like nothing had really happened. I learned that Ulthera, the more expensive of the laser lifting options, was "stronger" and normally they would recommend 2 sessions of Doublo Gold for someone like me, but since I would probably only do one session, that I should go with Ulthera.(edited) NAMU overall: clinic felt very busy and chaotic, not sure I would receive any attention after the surgery lol, but quoted very low prices (about 50% of what WANNABE quoted me for roughly the same procedures). Possibly a good option if I weren't doing something as finicky as eyes. The price was definitely right. I might be concerned if I were visiting at a later date since they don't seem to be taking precautions against corona virus. CWCMC I was referred to Dr. Choi by Dr. Jin of Premier Nose, and I believe that Dr. Choi is an eye specialist in the same way that Dr. Jin is a nose specialist- they prioritize functionality over all else, which I think tends to result in a natural look. Dr. Choi was extremely warm and friendly, his English was good, and he was the only one who shook my hand lol (he knew I was American and I had been talking with him personally over KKT). I didn't even speak to any of his staff (I don't think they spoke English?). He took alot of time to ask what I wanted and explain the technical aspects of the procedures. We never talked about price. I feel very confident that he is an extremely technically talented surgeon, as well as generally a really nice and considerate person, but I didn't feel confident about whether he would achieve the aesthetic results that I wanted. His before and afters were very natural, but when he was using the pokey stick tool to shape my eye crease, he never seemed to get a shape that I wanted. I don't think I was able to properly convey to him the shape that I wanted, whereas with Dr. Chang of WANNABE, he was very quickly able to make the eye shape configuration that I was hoping for. CWCMC overall: I wish I had picked Dr. Choi just because he's so nice, but he only does eyes, and I wanted other procedures, and I didn't feel like he and I were on the same page about the results I hope to achieve I ended up picking Wannabe due to a few factors So outside of a few hard objective factors, like being licensed, accessible, seeing before and afters that seemed realistic and also aligned with my own personal ideal, etc., alot of my decision was based on "feel" or my "gut". It's entirely possible that I could've been just as happy or even more satisfied at Namu, but I picked Wannabe because of how they made me feel: Alice - honestly, she was a huge factor in my decision. The fact that I could communicate clearly with her and that I felt like I had her full attention whenever it was warranted made me feel comfortable and safe Dr. Chang - he very quickly and deftly manipulated my eyelids to the shape that I wanted to achieve, and I think that inspired confidence in me that he and I had similar aesthetic ideals. He also seemed calm (not stressed or overworked) and capable clinic staff - the staff were polite and helpful. call me superstitious but I think that if the staff are rude and stressed, that says something about the work environment only 2 doctors, and each doctor does a maximum of 4 surgeries a day, according to Alice I'll post more as I finish writing about the surgeries and recovery process

thanks for sharing your research so far, great work! I'm just starting to really narrow down my list of clinics and your insight has been very informative. I'm wondering if you have a recommendation for translators? Looking forward to reading about your experience and feel free to add me on Kakao (chubbybun)

I'm planning to go March 9th - March 22nd for primary rhino too. thanks for all of the clinic suggestions so far, I've reached out to them for consultations. Feel free to add me on kakao, ID = chubbybun

Hello! Just joined as I'm interested in getting primary rhino, DES with canthoplasty and ptosis correction. also interested in non surgical jaw contouring (v-line scares me too much). Currently on the west coast of USA and traveling to Seoul in mid March of this year. Looking forward to learning and sharing lots of info