Revisional double eyelids surgery

[mingliang]

shiyin1012 said: ↑

Do you have Dr kang's wedsite that can share? thanks!

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Here is dr. duhan Shin's website:
http://www.doublefold.kr/

 

[mingliang]

Deepeyes said: ↑

It has been 2.5 months since my revision surgery. I am very happy with the results. I am looking myself again and although I believe recoveey is still progress, I compared with my original photos, I would say I almost reached 80+% - I mean the depth. For my height, it is the perfect height I wanted and it looks my original self too. I really hope my height don decrease further as some of you had mentioned.
During this period, I had emailed Dr Kang 3 times amd I received response within 1-2 days. Very happy with so prompt post recovery service. Earlier Teium took a long time to response to my recovery questions.

It's such a journey for me. I wished I had never done the dolly deep eyes surgery. Though it looks very pretty with make up and in photos but without make up ..really look fake!!!!

I am so glad to be out of this nightmare and ordeal.

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Hi Deepeyes:

Hope your recovery is improving!

Regarding the crease, Dr.Kang tends to make hidden and small crease ( he suggests 5-6mm). i want 6mm. Do you think that's just his personal preference or is there any technical issue he's not able to achieve for higher creases?

I really appreciate your response!

 

[jgar]

shiyin1012 said: ↑

Where did u do your eyes 4 month ago?In USA?


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Yes, I had surgery in the US.

 

[jgar]

riko12 said: ↑

I can't pm you now, I think cos you do not have enough post.

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Could you email me? My email is [email protected]

 

[deepeyes]

Mingliang said: ↑

Hi Deepeyes:

Hope your recovery is improving!

Regarding the crease, Dr.Kang tends to make hidden and small crease ( he suggests 5-6mm). i want 6mm. Do you think that's just his personal preference or is there any technical issue he's not able to achieve for higher creases?

I really appreciate your response!

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He did 7-8mm for me. .

 

[shiyin1012]

Anybody experience eyelid surgery in Japan instead of kerea?


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[shiyin1012]

Seems like everybody is doing it in LA Korea and Taiwan. Is there anybody out there research Japan?


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Sadeyes said: ↑

Hello all! I am back from Korea and wanted to share my story. I will try to make this as detailed and efficient as possible.

Problem: Too high and deep of a crease. Crease was made at 10mm and platform show of eyelid (at rest and looking straight) was approx 4mm each eye. My eyes were also hollow, outfolded, and no extra skin to revise. One year post op.

Goal: Find a PS to lower the crease, thin out the line, create an in-out fold, as well as conduct the non-skin excision technique. I used to have natural 2mm of eyelid show and my ultimate goal was just to have my old eyes back.

IOU

Dr. Kang is known for the lowering technique without skin excision and fat grafting. He does a great job; however, I felt that his after photos on his website were more of a monolid-look than I’d prefer. Also, a couple of others have reviewed on here that their eyelids are now too low after Kang revised. I realized that Dr. Kang probably prefers a lower look overall, and with that in mind, I met with him. Dr. Kang is very friendly and patient. They said they had an English speaking dermatologist but when I met her (I’m not sure if she was the dermatologist but they said she was), her English was pretty limited. Although she is extremely nice Anyway, I showed a pic of my old eyes to Kang and he recommended to lower to 6mm, ptosis correction of both eyes, and 0.2cc of fat injection to each eyelid. I was surprised he recommended ptosis, and he told me that the initial DES is what gave me ptosis and that I didn’t have it before. Wow. Quoted $5100 but the English Derm lowered it to $5000 for me. Later on that day, they emailed and lowered it to $4700 USD.

BIO

Met with Dr. Cho because he seems to also be well known for eyelid revisions. Showed him my photos and he suggested to excise about 2mm of skin. I asked if he could do the non-fat grafting technique and he didn’t say that he couldn’t but just replied that skin excision should be good for me. I asked him about ptosis. He said I didn’t necessarily need it but he could do it. ??? He quoted me $6000 USD for the procedure and $7100 USD if I wanted ptosis correction. Umm…no thank you. Moving on!

Banobagi – Dr. Lee

Finally English speaking staff!!!! There was a Chinese coordinator and the interpreter; however, they both spoke English pretty well. The meeting with them was the best consult out of the three. I was able to fully explain my concerns and my goals but only to the coordinators. The coordinators told Dr. Lee my case and he recommended to lower my crease to 6mm by fat graft and the non-skin excision procedure. I didn’t even get the chance to tell Dr. Lee that I’d like a 2mm show so I was surprised he recommended new crease cut of 6mm. Quote was $4000 USD.

Decision

Basically, Dr. Lee and Dr. Kang had both recommended the same exact surgery for me. Dr. Cho was no longer an option. Tossed and turned all night and I finally decided on Dr. Kang. Why? Well because with Dr. Kang, I had seen the direct results of his surgeries. At IOU Clinic, all after photos are from Dr. Kang. So I knew what he was and was not capable of, I guess. With Dr. Lee, Banobagi clinic is such a big clinic that I wasn’t sure the after photos (Only saw 1-2 photos) were directly a result of Dr. Lee’s work. Although the communication was great there, the communication was really between myself and the staff, not with Dr. Lee.

Surgery Day

Pretty simple surgery compared to the first. Went in and reviewed what it was I wanted. I actually pushed for 7mm cut instead of 6mm (again because Kang tends to be lower than I’d like). Dr. Kang said that at 7mm, people wouldn’t notice too much. I told him that it okay, I just want the end result to be 2mm of show and in-out. On that table, they gave some type of a hallucinogen during the fat extraction from my stomach then local for my eyes. During the last part of the procedure, I could feel the tugging, fat injections, sewing, and so forth. It hurt but I was able to tolerate it. I have a higher tolerance for gruesome scenes so I didn’t care. At recovery, blood was beginning to cake on my lids and blood kept dripping down like I was crying blood. Overall, I was fine and walking around. I think I even went to Millennium Casino that night. Stitches taken out at day 6 and pain-free!

Conclusion

Yay!!!! I love it!!! I look as close to my old self again as I can possibly get. The crease is noticeably lower, and not deep and thick. It has been two weeks and much of the bruising is gone. The swelling is minimal but still there. Only I notice the swelling. At rest, my lids show about 2.5-3.25mm and I think they will probably still lower somewhat. I no longer have to draw super thick black eyeliner. I have more area between my eyebrows and my eye lids. Even my mom says I look like myself again. Trust me, moms know the details of their baby’s faces very well. I know because I am a mother myself. The only thing is that it seems like I still have an out fold. L But one cannot expect to achieve 100% of what they want. That’s just impossible. People will always look for areas to improve. With that said, I am very pleased with my results so far. Now, I smile when I see a mirror instead avoiding them. I am happy to take pictures again. All thanks to the Big Guy above.

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Hi Sadeyes!

It's been a while since you posted this. I am planning going to Dr. Kang in Feb. I have the same concern about the crease height because he prefer 5-6mm smaller creases. Are your happy with your result now? Did your eyelids settle down to 2mm which you like?

Your response will be highly appreciated!

 

[mingliang]

Sadeyes said: ↑

Hello all! I am back from Korea and wanted to share my story. I will try to make this as detailed and efficient as possible.

Problem: Too high and deep of a crease. Crease was made at 10mm and platform show of eyelid (at rest and looking straight) was approx 4mm each eye. My eyes were also hollow, outfolded, and no extra skin to revise. One year post op.

Goal: Find a PS to lower the crease, thin out the line, create an in-out fold, as well as conduct the non-skin excision technique. I used to have natural 2mm of eyelid show and my ultimate goal was just to have my old eyes back.

IOU

Dr. Kang is known for the lowering technique without skin excision and fat grafting. He does a great job; however, I felt that his after photos on his website were more of a monolid-look than I’d prefer. Also, a couple of others have reviewed on here that their eyelids are now too low after Kang revised. I realized that Dr. Kang probably prefers a lower look overall, and with that in mind, I met with him. Dr. Kang is very friendly and patient. They said they had an English speaking dermatologist but when I met her (I’m not sure if she was the dermatologist but they said she was), her English was pretty limited. Although she is extremely nice Anyway, I showed a pic of my old eyes to Kang and he recommended to lower to 6mm, ptosis correction of both eyes, and 0.2cc of fat injection to each eyelid. I was surprised he recommended ptosis, and he told me that the initial DES is what gave me ptosis and that I didn’t have it before. Wow. Quoted $5100 but the English Derm lowered it to $5000 for me. Later on that day, they emailed and lowered it to $4700 USD.

BIO

Met with Dr. Cho because he seems to also be well known for eyelid revisions. Showed him my photos and he suggested to excise about 2mm of skin. I asked if he could do the non-fat grafting technique and he didn’t say that he couldn’t but just replied that skin excision should be good for me. I asked him about ptosis. He said I didn’t necessarily need it but he could do it. ??? He quoted me $6000 USD for the procedure and $7100 USD if I wanted ptosis correction. Umm…no thank you. Moving on!

Banobagi – Dr. Lee

Finally English speaking staff!!!! There was a Chinese coordinator and the interpreter; however, they both spoke English pretty well. The meeting with them was the best consult out of the three. I was able to fully explain my concerns and my goals but only to the coordinators. The coordinators told Dr. Lee my case and he recommended to lower my crease to 6mm by fat graft and the non-skin excision procedure. I didn’t even get the chance to tell Dr. Lee that I’d like a 2mm show so I was surprised he recommended new crease cut of 6mm. Quote was $4000 USD.

Decision

Basically, Dr. Lee and Dr. Kang had both recommended the same exact surgery for me. Dr. Cho was no longer an option. Tossed and turned all night and I finally decided on Dr. Kang. Why? Well because with Dr. Kang, I had seen the direct results of his surgeries. At IOU Clinic, all after photos are from Dr. Kang. So I knew what he was and was not capable of, I guess. With Dr. Lee, Banobagi clinic is such a big clinic that I wasn’t sure the after photos (Only saw 1-2 photos) were directly a result of Dr. Lee’s work. Although the communication was great there, the communication was really between myself and the staff, not with Dr. Lee.

Surgery Day

Pretty simple surgery compared to the first. Went in and reviewed what it was I wanted. I actually pushed for 7mm cut instead of 6mm (again because Kang tends to be lower than I’d like). Dr. Kang said that at 7mm, people wouldn’t notice too much. I told him that it okay, I just want the end result to be 2mm of show and in-out. On that table, they gave some type of a hallucinogen during the fat extraction from my stomach then local for my eyes. During the last part of the procedure, I could feel the tugging, fat injections, sewing, and so forth. It hurt but I was able to tolerate it. I have a higher tolerance for gruesome scenes so I didn’t care. At recovery, blood was beginning to cake on my lids and blood kept dripping down like I was crying blood. Overall, I was fine and walking around. I think I even went to Millennium Casino that night. Stitches taken out at day 6 and pain-free!

Conclusion

Yay!!!! I love it!!! I look as close to my old self again as I can possibly get. The crease is noticeably lower, and not deep and thick. It has been two weeks and much of the bruising is gone. The swelling is minimal but still there. Only I notice the swelling. At rest, my lids show about 2.5-3.25mm and I think they will probably still lower somewhat. I no longer have to draw super thick black eyeliner. I have more area between my eyebrows and my eye lids. Even my mom says I look like myself again. Trust me, moms know the details of their baby’s faces very well. I know because I am a mother myself. The only thing is that it seems like I still have an out fold. L But one cannot expect to achieve 100% of what they want. That’s just impossible. People will always look for areas to improve. With that said, I am very pleased with my results so far. Now, I smile when I see a mirror instead avoiding them. I am happy to take pictures again. All thanks to the Big Guy above.

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I forgot my email [email protected].

Thank you!

 

[mingliang]

Jin77 said: ↑

I selected a crease size bigger than what is on most the pics shown since I wanted enough space to put eyeliner on and showed him several pics saved on my phone. He indicated that it would be a size 6 - 6.5 mm. Since I have had big eyes for so long and hated it for so long, I decided to go even smaller to a 5.5 mm.

He has other pics of revisions on his computer screen with exact crease size measurements to look at also.

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Hi Jin 77!

First I want to thank you for sharing your valuable experience with IOU.

IN terms of crease size, you chose 5.5mm. It's been a while since you had op. I wonder if you are still happy with your choice or it is too small ?

I am going to see Dr. Kang next month. Your response will be so highly appreciated!

My email is [email protected]

All the best wishes to you!

 

[mingliang]

Hi everyone!

Dr. Kang from IOU is so popular here. He got a lot of good reviews except few not so great ones.

I have been doing a lot of research from different perspectives of origins because I will be in Seoul next month. No doubt he is good. However there is one thing bothering so much is none of Chinese knowing him. I joined lots of forums and QQ groups. I asked a lot of Chinese interpreters and the answer are either he is OK or never heard. I know they all like to introduce the clinics are associated with them. They can get commission. I heard a lot of bad stories complaining about them. But one interpreter told me a lot of girls from Singapore like to see him, which might be true because i am aware of that.

Dr. Duhan Sin from Duhans clinic is very popular in China. He is so popular compared to there. You know once somebody had good experience with one doctor, we all follow them. But I just want to open minded seeing other doctors besides Dr. Kang to compare both opinions to support my decision.

Dr.Shin's website :http://www.doublefold.kr/htm/reinfo_09.php . Unfortunately the website doesn't have english version.

He has a lot of b& a pics. I like them more than Dr. Kang's. Dr. Shin only does eyelids revision and fat grating. The whole website almost talks only about eyelids revision and fat grafting. There are so many pictures. I love all of them!

If you can't open it or if you want to find more pics, please drop me email and let me know.

My email is [email protected]

Please give your valuable opinion if you heard about him .

 

[shiyin1012]

Eyelid_revision said: ↑

Dear girls,

I went to Seoul last April for my eyelid revision surgery. I had the following problems with my previous double eyelid surgery with Dr. Charles Lee in Los Angeles:

1) Dr. Charles Lee made my folds too high and too round shaped that they didn't look natural
2) He made my folds too deep and it caused ECTROPION (the inner eyelids are turned out too much and don't look good)
3) Asymmetric folds

Even though Dr. Charles Lee did a revision surgery for me, he couldn't fix the problems. In fact, I became worse off as too many operated eyes become much more difficult for future revisions for natural looking results. I also lost a lot of my muscles that lift my eyelids and also too much scarring and depressed area in my eyelids. Dr. Charles Lee is the one of the worst people in their profession - he should not have become a doctor.

With this desperation, agony, and problems that were caused by incompetent, poorly skilled Dr. Charles Lee, I went to Seoul to search for a solution for my eyelid revision. I consulted with several doctors, and I learned from talking to them that eye revisions require much more skills and experiences than the first time double eyelid surgeries. Not all doctors could do revisions well. I would be better off finding someone who specializes in eye revisions and someone who could fix the problems I was having.

Here is some notes I made about some doctors regarding eye revisions:

1) Dr. Byun Gun Kim at BK - He told me straight out that he could not fix my "too deep folds and ectropion issues". He was giving an excuse like "your skin is too thick". He also said I should expect a little asymmetry even after a revision. He could pretty much only lower my folds. Since he was not that skilled, I opted for other doctors. His rate was the lowest among all the doctors I consulted with, which is somewhat reflects and is fair for his incompetency - $2500

2) Dr. Jyoung at Banobagi - He basically said he could lower my folds and also do something extra - ptosis correction. The issue here is that I do not have ptosis. I felt like it was his thing to do ptosis corrections even if patients don't have that much issue with it just for the sake of bigger eye effect, except I didn't want bigger eyes. I wanted smaller folds and fix my other problems. I was looking for more natural looking eye, rather than unnatural, dramatic, asymmetric eyes that Dr. Charles Lee had created. Dr. Jyoung didn't say anything about ectropion, deep folds so I pretty much crossed him out from my list. His rate was $3200 after all the discount.

3) VIP Clinic - Dr. Lee here is well known for nose and nose revisions, not so much for eye revisions. You'd better go somewhere else for eye revisions.

4) Dr. Cho at Bando Eye Clinic - he specializes in eye and eye revisions only. He is very well regarded in many Korean websites (my Korean friends checked him out for me) for his eye revision works. He is the most expensive though. However, I was looking for solve all my problems, not bargain hunting for fixing only half of the problems. Even during the consultation, he pointed out all the problems I had and said he could fix them all. Check out his website too - he spells out each problems he could fix. I felt that other doctors just say they do revisions but in fact, there are many areas they can not fix (ectropion, deep folds, asymmetry, etc.)

So, I chose Dr. Cho for my eye revisions. It has been a week since my eyelid revision surgery, and I can already tell that my problems are fixed - my folds are smaller (even though I have swollen eyes, I could just tell they are smaller already), my folds are shallower and look more natural, my ectropion issue looks much better now, and my asymmetry looks fixed. I am HAPPY about my results so far. I think that from now on, my eyes will look even better and more natural...finally, I am smiling after all these problems...I should have come to Seoul in the first place, not Dr. Charles Lee or anyone else in the states. I consulted several doctors in the states who specialize in Asian eyelid surgeries and based on what doctors in Seoul here say and what they were saying in the states, I could tell that doctors in Seoul are much better and much advanced in their technique and knowledge.

I know that there are so many girls out there (some are victims of Dr. Charles Lee whom I think he should stop operating on girls and mutilating their faces with mediocre and half baked jobs) who are wondering about eye revisions. The above are my experiences, and I wanted to share this with you. I had the same agony with my eyelid issues plus the problem of not knowing the Korean language and the best doctors in Seoul. However, I have now fixed my problems with the help of a good doctor, and I highly recommend Dr. Cho at Bando Eye Clinic to the girls who are looking to fix "all of your eye revision problems" and would not compromise with "half revisions" with other doctors like BK's Dr. Kim or others.

I am writing this out of my good heart to help those who need help. We need to help each other.

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Hi dear,

Can you ask you more information about dr cho, I heard t he is 70 some years old, is it right? Can you also email me before and after pix? Thanks a lot.




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[weick]

Mingliang said: ↑

Thank you for coming back to share your experience with him! It's very valuable for us ! He likes to make very small creases( he suggests 5-6mm) . Is it because he is not capable to make higher or just because of his personal aesthetics sense?

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I'm not sure. At the first consultation and the final consultation before surgery he said he'll make mine higher than 6mm. He suggested it because he said over time the skin will sag and eyelid will get smaller. But after surgery it came out to smaller than 5 mm and it's actually getting even smaller. I asked after the surgery for a week what mm he made my eyelids. He avoided the question many times and finally told me he didn't take / write down the final measurements and he didn't know. I was surprised he would forget to do something in 30 min and I had entrusted my eyes to him.

My personal experience with Dr Kang is that although he was nice with good manners his work seemed sloppy and careless. I have a hairline split at the end of my eyelid which is very weird looking and line is very thick and visible (I'm 6 months post op). Also he didn't stitch me up properly which caused a small polyp on my skin. I went back to Korea few months later and he cut it away but I still have a bump where the stitching was sloppy. I don't have keloid skin and don't scar easily and my line from previous surgery was hardly visible but this time the line is thick and long with split ends.

As another forumer said he is not well known in Korea. He is overrated on this forum and is using that to overcharge foreign patients. I'm Korean have researched on Korean sites and have friends who have researched a long time for revisional surgery and they've never heard of Dr Kang at IOU.

He didn't botch thing up for me. Just that nothing came out the way he said it would. Other doctors said they could improve my eyes without fat grafting since it's dangerous. Dr Kang insisted on it and all the fat went away. My eyes are not that even and on one side my skin hangs over my eyelid too much. He said I will probably have to revise that eye but I'm too scared to go back to him.

For anyone who is thinking of going to IOU I would suggest broadening your research outside of this forum to be safe and set your expectations right.

 

[mingliang]

weick said: ↑

I'm not sure. At the first consultation and the final consultation before surgery he said he'll make mine higher than 6mm. He suggested it because he said over time the skin will sag and eyelid will get smaller. But after surgery it came out to smaller than 5 mm and it's actually getting even smaller. I asked after the surgery for a week what mm he made my eyelids. He avoided the question many times and finally told me he didn't take / write down the final measurements and he didn't know. I was surprised he would forget to do something in 30 min and I had entrusted my eyes to him.

My personal experience with Dr Kang is that although he was nice with good manners his work seemed sloppy and careless. I have a hairline split at the end of my eyelid which is very weird looking and line is very thick and visible (I'm 6 months post op). Also he didn't stitch me up properly which caused a small polyp on my skin. I went back to Korea few months later and he cut it away but I still have a bump where the stitching was sloppy. I don't have keloid skin and don't scar easily and my line from previous surgery was hardly visible but this time the line is thick and long with split ends.

As another forumer said he is not well known in Korea. He is overrated on this forum and is using that to overcharge foreign patients. I'm Korean have researched on Korean sites and have friends who have researched a long time for revisional surgery and they've never heard of Dr Kang at IOU.

He didn't botch thing up for me. Just that nothing came out the way he said it would. Other doctors said they could improve my eyes without fat grafting since it's dangerous. Dr Kang insisted on it and all the fat went away. My eyes are not that even and on one side my skin hangs over my eyelid too much. He said I will probably have to revise that eye but I'm too scared to go back to him.

For anyone who is thinking of going to IOU I would suggest broadening your research outside of this forum to be safe and set your expectations right.

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Weick: Thank you for your extremely valuable opinion and coming back sharing your experience with us !

I totally agree! We should broaden our research. No doubt, he is nice person. His technique may meet some of the patients' expectation. Based on the reviews, his website pics (before pics are better than after reversed mono lids ), I don't understand why he always tries so hard to convince his patients to have lower crease. Personally I like lower crease too, especially after having high crease for so long. But i am worried about going to the extreme opposite. Right after the revision it might look good temporally, but it could end up droopy mono eyelids after healing.
I am starting to question his capability of making higher crease with his technique.

Anybody agrees? Let's discuss and help each other, especially those who had surgery with him before. Highly appreciate it !

You are welcome to drop me email at [email protected].

 

[mingliang]

weick said: ↑

I'm not sure. At the first consultation and the final consultation before surgery he said he'll make mine higher than 6mm. He suggested it because he said over time the skin will sag and eyelid will get smaller. But after surgery it came out to smaller than 5 mm and it's actually getting even smaller. I asked after the surgery for a week what mm he made my eyelids. He avoided the question many times and finally told me he didn't take / write down the final measurements and he didn't know. I was surprised he would forget to do something in 30 min and I had entrusted my eyes to him.

My personal experience with Dr Kang is that although he was nice with good manners his work seemed sloppy and careless. I have a hairline split at the end of my eyelid which is very weird looking and line is very thick and visible (I'm 6 months post op). Also he didn't stitch me up properly which caused a small polyp on my skin. I went back to Korea few months later and he cut it away but I still have a bump where the stitching was sloppy. I don't have keloid skin and don't scar easily and my line from previous surgery was hardly visible but this time the line is thick and long with split ends.

As another forumer said he is not well known in Korea. He is overrated on this forum and is using that to overcharge foreign patients. I'm Korean have researched on Korean sites and have friends who have researched a long time for revisional surgery and they've never heard of Dr Kang at IOU.

He didn't botch thing up for me. Just that nothing came out the way he said it would. Other doctors said they could improve my eyes without fat grafting since it's dangerous. Dr Kang insisted on it and all the fat went away. My eyes are not that even and on one side my skin hangs over my eyelid too much. He said I will probably have to revise that eye but I'm too scared to go back to him.

For anyone who is thinking of going to IOU I would suggest broadening your research outside of this forum to be safe and set your expectations right.

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In terms of fat grafting, I want to share with you all from other doctor's website.

If you have sunken eyes, and the doctors suggest you to have fat transfer, it should do fat graft first. Let the fat settle down and establish for three months ( the same concept as transplanting plants). Then do eyelids procedure. That totally make sense! If you do the fat transfer and revision at the same time. It is hard for fat to stay.